Suggestions on countering 4-2N-3W-1

well Toxcatl as I said before in other threads, formation is the 4th important factor for me (luck, quality of the players and presence of the manager are the 3 major).
If you add maybe 7-8, the minors, it's not easy to have a solid conclusion

Two games in the cup vs an opponent from +1 lv.
The quality of the players was about the same.
He has 4-4-1-1 which is very similar with 4-2-3-1 (it's the difference of ML-AML & MR-AMR)
In 1st leg I played with 4-5-1 V and won rather easy.
Oppo manager wasn't there
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In 2nd leg, oppo man. was there.
I used 2 DMC instead 2 DC.
Still had the control, more shots, bad rates from oppo players, he scored last min. with a penalty (the Luck factor :o )
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second DC helps more than second DMC. I mean, formations with three defenders (3w especially) are weaker in defence than formations with 4 defenders, but they give more posession.

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I didn't see that

and here is todays asso game
Teams with about the same q (105-110, I got a 7* loan player)
I started with def/counters/flanks/zonal/low/normal
Used two times the defense bonus and in the 2nd half , twice the condition bonus
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* ok, Barcelona isn't in the best form lately :o

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@Toxcatl was witness as we are in the same group
lol

*** as.man. comments : Giggs scored a very nice goal from penalty
The rest 4 goals came from Beckham.
big lol

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

and here is todays asso game
Teams with about the same q (105-110, I got a 7* loan player)
I started with def/counters/flanks/zonal/low/normal
Used two times the defense bonus and in the 2nd half , twice the condition bonus
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* ok, Barcelona isn't in the best form lately :o

**
@Toxcatl was witness as we are in the same group
lol

*** as.man. comments : Giggs scored a very nice goal from penalty
big lol

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Did oppo manager watch the game? I wonder how the engine calculates the bonuses of both managers when both of them watch the game and use the different bonuses.

Nik's formations seems a pretty good counter. Killed my oppo same quality +1 level in cup today 4:0. He wasnt present and had 4 friends watching thou. Had 60 possesion and opo had 9 shot and 0 on target

oppo manager wasn't present.
We have the 2nd leg in half an hour.
I 'll add the new game info

played the 2nd leg and won again.
Oppo was present this time but the game was different.
After the break I think (because there he made subs), switched to 4-4-2 ND.
I noticed that too late as had also two more asso games at that that (with RINO and NIK) but finally it was ok.

another game today in asso
same orders and bonus
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oppo didn't watch (but you can see that his team is well built )
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Very nice Niko, congrats.
Very helpful.
Just one question, any use of arrows in this tactics?

BTW what was wrong with Ronaldo as he got only 5.0 note? ;-)

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Just one question, any use of arrows in this tactics?

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I leave for later the arrows, as adjustment if needed (down for def., up for wingers)

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BTW what was wrong with Ronaldo as he got only 5.0 note? ;-)

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it's a tanking season for me so Ronaldo is between the bench or as defender.
and he got angry - lol

It worked today Nik, against whom I played 2 days ago and was trolled by the system, which gave simultaneous 2 penalties to oppo. Oppo's DMC missed today's game because of the red card he had seen in the first leg, then today he changed his formation to this. My tactics and formation was exact same with your suggestions. Yet, I am still not fully satisfied as away side by 0-2 since although my 2 key players missed the game I was the 23% stronger side. But I am also happy because the game did not troll me again ( I really felt until 2-0 it was going to make something :) ), and I found my future star who I bought yesterday ( a recommended striker, probably will play 2,3 seasons or even 4,5) who scored 5 goals in last three matches in all three competitions. Today also, he scored 1 by FK. After Way, I think the best I found for 6 seasons. By the way, probably I will face with the opponent in the final of CL for whom I took advice from you. However, he plays mostly with 4-5-1 V and 4-4-2 in these days, and he is no way a token buyer as I realized but a tanker :)

Thank you for your suggestions :)