And I state yet again.. Fixtures timing for far (from Europe) folks blows.

I see so few Americans on my server, and of the two I started playing with from invite, one has quit. One of the reasons is the stupid fixtures time for people in the US, especially the West.

Here's the fixtures from one for my teams:

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Anybody in Europe get a Cup, CL and League match on the same calendar day? How about days with no matches at all?

It is REALLY frustrating to be so discriminated against, and let me tell you that is what it feels like.
Above is a team I only farm T and boosters sometimes, so cannot really afford to change eight match times a season. It *really* isn't fair.


Ok.. whining over..

But folks from Austral/Asia and US with this problem know where I am coming from on this.
Please chime in with your thoughts.. and if others also have this issue.

Your fixture is always crazy. I feel sad for you.

I am from Hong Kong, South East Asia. Most of my fixtures are arranged from morning (just after season day beginning) to around 6 p.m. Sometimes there are matches at night. But I rarely have a match after midnight. Three matches on same calendar day is very rare.

As I estimate, about 50%, 40%, 10% of my opponents are from Asia, Europe, and other countries respectively.

Generally, my matches against Asian teams are held around noon, my matches against European teams are held in late afternoon or night (I think this is early to afternoon in Europe). This is a general trend but there are many exceptions. For example, a Scotland team's home match against my team is arranged at about 10:30 am (earliest possible match time in a season day, midnight in Scotland), and some matches with Asian teams are held at night.

I believe locations of managers are considered in arranging match schedule. That's why most of my matches are in my day time. As I understand, T11 start of season day occurs in late afternoon in America. This may limit the available time slots of arranging day time matches for American teams. If they also try to avoid midnight matches for American teams, schedule arrangement may be more difficult. Moreover, as no. of American managers may be comparatively small, sometimes their interests may not be fairly maintained.

I understand I am in a tiny slice of the overall user base. But, to be honest...I was happier when they were all times of day, 2 am is better for me than 2 pm, but that blows for most people. I just really wish that they would account for local calendar days when doing the fixtures.. or that we were given a chance to express a preference for a window of time for home matches.

And thats why since the creation of the universe T11, managers were asking for servers with different time-zones.

13.700 millions of years later that, we still doing memes about these things.

I just studied your fixture list in more details, and noticed that there are total 3 calendar days with 3 matches in this season. I expect that the first 2 matches are on same season day while the last match is held on next season day. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The first matches are against either Turkey or Romania (GMT+2) teams at midnight (morning in Turkey/Romania). This may be the earliest possible time convenient to both you and your opponents. Early match times are also fine for you.

The second matches are against Germany/Brazil/Holland teams. I think the times for these matches are less important because you have less concern whether it is closer to the first or third match.

The most important are the match times of the third matches. All these matches were held at night of same calendar day. If they could be delayed to next calendar day, there would not be 3 matches on same calendar day. Two of these matches were against Asian (S.Korea & Thailand) teams. I am afraid the few hours at night are the only time convenient to both parties. The remaining match is against a Holland (if I correctly identify the flag) team. The match was held at 20:51. The corresponding match time in Holland was at midnight. I think this is strange. The most reasonable time against West Europe team is morning in America (night in West Europe). But for this case, there was another match against a France team on next morning. Congested schedule was hard to be avoided.

I have not thoroughly thought if the match schedule could be improved. But now I understand more why your schedule is looked so different from mine.

also there are calendar days with two league match or none. I miscounted, though by one, seven matches are at times i wish they were not. I have four active teams right now (others are on hold so I dont check fixture) but pretty much they are all like this, and worse, it is same days that are empty.

The match scheduling seems considerate to avoid match time at midnight of both parties. As the result, in your region, the matches against European teams are generally held in your morning while the matches against Asian teams are generally held at night. As most of your matches are restricted by these, the flexibility on match scheduling is greatly reduced.

For my teams, my matches against European teams are restricted to my night time. But I have little restrictions on matches against Asian teams. So the match time are more evenly spreaded.

I think adding a optional choice of preferred time zone or even a preferred time window in a day will be helpful to you.

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I think adding a optional choice of preferred time zone or even a preferred time window in a day will be helpful to you.

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very much so. would also be good for people who work at second or third shift, too.

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... The remaining match is against a Holland (if I correctly identify the flag) team. The match was held at 20:51. The corresponding match time in Holland was at midnight. I think this is strange. The most reasonable time against West Europe team is morning in America (night in West Europe). But for this case, there was another match against a France team on next morning. Congested schedule was hard to be avoided.

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I believe I incorrectly identify the flag of your opponent of 3rd match on 3 July. It should be Indonesia instead of Holland. The image is small to me that I mixed up the background color. As your opponent is an Asian team, a night match make sense.

remove the lighting system from your stadium :P

Since the system tries to fit everything into a 12 hr time slot.....rather than take the time zone automatically there should be an option to choose a 12 hour slot.

Still the same mechanic just one based on Manager choice.

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Since the system tries to fit everything into a 12 hr time slot.....rather than take the time zone automatically there should be an option to choose a 12 hour slot.

Still the same mechanic just one based on Manager choice.

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It will be nice if several 12-hour time slots will be provided for managers to choose before season day 3.

@Cat

So it begins for me...
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yeah I am going to look at mine now

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I don't have any calendar day with 3 matches. But this is still the worst schedule I have ever obtained. In season days with 2 matches, time between all matches are not more than 5 hours. My players will only recover 5% between 2 matches, probably in all these days.

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Ok I have an issue that probably a lot of you guys also have. For the 2nd time this week I've had 3 games in one day. I get it, if you live in one part of the world you want to be awake when your game is going on, but why does the game allow 3 games in one day? I don't have enough rests to make this fairly happen. The other issue that happened today was that 2 out of 3 games had a time change and I wasn't there for the games, the first time I didn't use any of my rests and lost both my MC and his back up to injuries in that game; then with the 3rd one he changed the game time and didn't even show up until the 73 minute. If you're going to be a jerk and make me have a 3rd game today can you at least show up on time and pretend to give a damn???

I think a good option would be to have a settings tab where you could allocate your preferred 12 hour period to have games.

For example, I am a evening/night person and worker - so any game that I have scheduled between 06:00 and 12:00 I often miss as I will be asleep. At the same time, I never get games after 22:00 hours on a day - but would happily take a game between 22:00 and 02:00 in the morning.

If you were able to give a preference of a 12 hour window in which you would prefer to play games then I think that would help. All T11 would have to do for the likes of Cat who are playing in a different time zone window is then find others that have the same preference as her - or those that are nearest to it, so everyone is able to play two games if needed a day, during hours that are convenient for them.

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I see so few Americans on my server, and of the two I started playing with from invite, one has quit. One of the reasons is the stupid fixtures time for people in the US, especially the West.

Here's the fixtures from one for my teams:

Attachment 49956

Anybody in Europe get a Cup, CL and League match on the same calendar day? How about days with no matches at all?

It is REALLY frustrating to be so discriminated against, and let me tell you that is what it feels like.
Above is a team I only farm T and boosters sometimes, so cannot really afford to change eight match times a season. It *really* isn't fair.


Ok.. whining over..

But folks from Austral/Asia and US with this problem know where I am coming from on this.
Please chime in with your thoughts.. and if others also have this issue.

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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I didnt believe it when you wrote it and had to carefully go over your screenshot. Days with no league games. LOL. So does that mean you dont have to log in that day for the tokens and stuff?

I can understand that when you might play someone in Asia with the time difference.

But at the end of the day, do you really need to watch a match? I win when I dont watch more often than when I actually watch, which is upsetting since it defeats the purpose.

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I think a good option would be to have a settings tab where you could allocate your preferred 12 hour period to have games.

For example, I am a evening/night person and worker - so any game that I have scheduled between 06:00 and 12:00 I often miss as I will be asleep. At the same time, I never get games after 22:00 hours on a day - but would happily take a game between 22:00 and 02:00 in the morning.

If you were able to give a preference of a 12 hour window in which you would prefer to play games then I think that would help. All T11 would have to do for the likes of Cat who are playing in a different time zone window is then find others that have the same preference as her - or those that are nearest to it, so everyone is able to play two games if needed a day, during hours that are convenient for them.

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but they have to care to be able to implement that sort of thing. And if they did, that creates so many logistical problems, it is most likely not worth it in the end. Someone, somewhere is always going to be upset about the schedule, no matter what they do.

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but they have to care to be able to implement that sort of thing. And if they did, that creates so many logistical problems, it is most likely not worth it in the end. Someone, somewhere is always going to be upset about the schedule, no matter what they do.

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I agree that this suggestion is looked simple but may cause headache to administrator during match schedule creation. At present, they may just group the players to several groups only but there will be 24 groups with this suggestions.

So my suggestion was that Nordeus provides several "time zones" for users to choose instead of allowing users to freely choose any 12 hours.

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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I didnt believe it when you wrote it and had to carefully go over your screenshot. Days with no league games. LOL. So does that mean you dont have to log in that day for the tokens and stuff?

I can understand that when you might play someone in Asia with the time difference.

But at the end of the day, do you really need to watch a match? I win when I dont watch more often than when I actually watch, which is upsetting since it defeats the purpose.

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Watching matches is not very important. My major concern is unable to make changes like tactic changes, substitution, green pack condition recovery, etc. between matches.

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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I didnt believe it when you wrote it and had to carefully go over your screenshot. Days with no league games. LOL. So does that mean you dont have to log in that day for the tokens and stuff?

I can understand that when you might play someone in Asia with the time difference.

But at the end of the day, do you really need to watch a match? I win when I dont watch more often than when I actually watch, which is upsetting since it defeats the purpose.

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no I still have to log in for tokens and gifts.

I really do wish we could choose a window of time as a preference for home matches.

I do think the current way is better for most managers than the old one, but unfair for time zones too far away from europe, and anyone who doesn't keep traditional hours. I am both of those things so feel it the most.

just making it so I don't get two League matches in a calendar day would be great, that is what is the worst.

I live in East Asia. But I prefer the schedule for Middle Asia or Middle East time zone managers.

Ahh the fun of finding out the season fixtures.. NOT!

bleah... among all my teams the average is 4 calendar days with 2 matches and 4 with none at all.. again.. !!
(I think it lucky most of mine are out of Cup and not in CL what with the condition thing)

Rather than subjecting ya'll to the whole long picture I'll just put up the most egregious sequence of days from the team with the most problematic days (12):

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Sunday - - Tuesday - - Thursday - Friday - - Sunday. Yeah...

I still suffer same problem that most of my matches on same season day are very close to each other (3 to 5 hours apart). This is because I live in East Asia and most of my opponents are European teams.

Refer to my post in vent thread for details. My level 18 team is a Czech team but they arrange the fixture according to the manager's location.
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...d-3-a-87.html#

I appreciate Nordeus for putting much effort to try to create fixture schedule acceptable to managers all over world. I still believe just adding an option for managers to select preferred time zone will make this far better.

disclamer: i don't want to hurt anybody especially Cat coz she is a nice gal but!

Cat! I don't want to be rude or somethin' and i feel your pain but... "everything" that "matters" wordlwide revolves around USA... even in movies, aliens trying to attack our planet and happening almost everything in USA :p sooo don't be selfish :p

ok jokings aside...

it would be fair the drawing system would be smarter or could use "geocentrical" policies (ok, drawings for cup and CL would be harder coz more teams, that's for sure) On lower levels this is not a hard case... but in high levels it could be really hard. what about server shuffling in high levels for balancing "travel distances"?

edit: of course i have dozens of east asian managers... if i'm playing against them on away that could birth surreal match times... same here btw.

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mid morning and late evening is what I get. Hey Bylo do you have calendar days with no matches, if so, how many? one of my alts has 6.

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My squad has seven days with no league matches....and NINE days with two league matches! And in looking closer, there are many times where I play the final match of one round and then the first match of the next round! WTF?!

After no matches at all on Tuesday, my squad has just played 2 of their 3 scheduled matches for today (Wednesday). We then get all of Thursday off.

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I would like to use this vent thread again in this season.

My level 20 team was arranged 4 pairs of leauge/CL matches which are exactly 3 hours apart. On the day in which my team enjoy the longest rest time (almost 5 hours) between league & CL matches, my team actually will play 3 matches within 13 hours 17 minutes.

The best schedule times is on today. CL & league matches are 4 hours 43 apart and my players will rest for twice between 2 matches. This is not pure coincident but result of my intervention. Before league time scheduling today, I intentionally insert a friendly match about 3 hours after the CL match and cancel it after league scheduling completed. So that the league match time have to be delayed.

I believe the scheduling staff is angry with me about this, and then intentionally arrange bad match times for my team. I have similar experience in the past. At that time, I even more aggressively intervene the match time scheduling on day 3 for fun.\\\

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My other team has better schedule of CL & league matches. In half of these match days, the players can rest for twice between 2 matches.