Recurrecting league system

I hope that we all agree that league system is dull and abandoned and need changes. I suggest to that league system should move to association model. So how it should work?
1. Managers levels should be destroyed and we should move to divisions. There should be still 14 teams in one division
2. First 4 teams should move to the next division. 4-8 should stay at the same division. 8-14 move to lower division.
3. At the highest division first 2 or 4 teams should compete in another competition.
4. All teams should get -20 % at the end of season. This because how game is made and this option must stay.
This should eliminate tankers because all teams get downgrade to ratings and bot/abandoned teams because they definitely not make their way to higher divisions and stay and compete at the lowest divisions.
Prizes:
I think that tokens are not the option because here are so many ways nowdays to get them. Better option is to give top scorer or/and passer a border(or some other symbol) that other managers can see how good he was last season. In addition they can get some upgrades (now here are challenge where they get + in attributes and i think it is a good way). And some boosters for first team in division. I dont know how it would motivate people to play but the fact is that now there arent anything that motivates us even to win a league. At highest division when 2-4 teams compete in another competition- winner should get something more valuable just because strongest managers should get best prizes.
Fell free to make feedback's.

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All teams should get -20 % at the end of season. This because how game is made and this option must stay.
This should eliminate tankers

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Tankers do that for associations.
But they also have fake 2nd accounts with low quality to manipulate the draw.
Those teams after some seasons will have -10* players and gonna be used for more tricks.

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First 4 teams should move to the next division. 4-8 should stay at the same division. 8-14 move to lower division.

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also a team, after some seasons can demote many levels.
But a manager with a LV6 team doesn't have equal chances with a manager LV20
(more money, more sources, complete stadium).

For me the League should stay as it is but this kind of draw (with different levels, a range of +- 8 and playing with asso view quality) it's good for the Cup and C.L.

I don't think nordeus will change the league system with a similar one that PESCM already have ;)

Completely agree, makes the legaue more fun and fair..

Also discourage the tankers....
So all same level come together.. also looks more like real life

Go for this idea Nordeus.. in TE 2019!!!!

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Originally Posted by tomu741

I all agree that league system is dull and abandoned and need changes
Fell free to make feedback's.

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my league 53 is not dull and not abandoned
... TE need changes YEP :mad:

Regarding the -20% for all this can't be done as far as I know for technical reasons, as the % is associated to the internal quality number that can't be decreased, but, myself I did the suggestion about close the trainings for 120%+ teams if there wasn't promotion last season, and this, can be done "easily".

Then taking that point into account:
"2. First 4 teams should move to the next division. 4-8 should stay at the same division. 8-14 move to lower division."

With only 4 promotions the teams would be stuck in terms of quality, this would need a decression of margins everywhere really, cause teams at the end would end stuck everywhere too... and since the v.1 the main and original concept was that 8* and 9* are premium players, not something common.


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3. At the highest division first 2 or 4 teams should compete in another competition.

In what Im agree regarding the top servers is, in "to group" teams in groups of 4-8 leagues and promote them all "almost always" to do not stuck the server, in a "cloud style system" there alltogether, creating too a unique cup in what if for example there are 14x4 teams, =56, then 8 bots should complete the cup 1st round.

Merge teams, and do a exception for the top servers is actually needed....

how about a sign on each abandoned team?like a yellow <!> for warning and red <!> meaning you lose every match and relegate.
i think for starters 8-14 potition teams should relegate untill abandoned teams play on level 1-10.
eventually in the future last 3 to 4 teams should relegate.

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Originally Posted by tomu741

I think that tokens are not the option because here are so many ways nowdays to get them. Better option is to give top scorer or/and passer a border(or some other symbol) that other managers can see how good he was last season. In addition they can get some upgrades (now here are challenge where they get + in attributes and i think it is a good way). And some boosters for first team in division. I dont know how it would motivate people to play but the fact is that now there arent anything that motivates us even to win a league. At highest division when 2-4 teams compete in another competition- winner should get something more valuable just because strongest managers should get best prizes.
Fell free to make feedback's.

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you're wrong. by giving tokens for league(10-20t and descending for 1st-8th) and reducing tokens for association(50t or less for platinum-lower) and scrap that top10 reward 100t-10t, people will stop tanking and start taking league seriously.
and i hope nordeus somehow fixed that manipulating rating(sell best player and keep 1* players at end of season) to get weaker league every season.
just let manager who won treble/league/cup/CL play in the best league then that's how to measure how good they are.
not by playing in weaker league+CL+cup and get treble every season.

I not understand what is wrong with -20 % for all. If everyone gets it, than there would be no point to tank.

I explained to you at #2.
This time tanking gonna be used for downgrade the team and manipulate asso draws.

The only solution is to remove the top100 list or use the nations teams for associations.

All the problems started after the asso.
In old TE, no one was talking about tanking.

but all those suggestions are meaningless.
First nordeus should declare that really want to change things,
Then to have an open and honest conversation with the managers, gather ideas (saying what is possible or not - from technical/programing option) and move on in changes.

Yes i agree that here poor or even non-existant communication between us. I made this thread thinking only about league and left asso alone. However , when you said that they made 2nd low quality teams and manipulate a draw i thought about this and think that it can be fixed to make for example a minimum of 80% quality team to participate in asso group. So lower than 80 %( or whatever that percentage should be i dont know) team cant join to group or create it. If they make that minimum ceiling from where teams can start to play associations so here wouldn't be 25 or 30 % teams in asso teams. But than i dont know what will happen if that teams overall quality drops during some time to % when they dont fit to that minimum ceiling. Is it should be removed from that group or that team should increase his quality during certain period in order to not be removed. Well it's only my reflections.

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. So lower than 80 % team cant join to group or create it.

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if that teams overall quality drops during some time to % when they dont fit to that minimum ceiling. Is it should be removed from that group

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There come the technical/programing problems :o

Well , i gave an idea. i cant do anything else to make it work or not, it can only be done only by nordeus.

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OK, or even simpler way. If we say that 80% is that ceiling. Then if member drops his quality to lower than 80% than he is deactivated that weekend and all team plays 5vs5. If 2 members drops below 80, then team plays 4vs4. If 3 members drop below 80%, then whole team should skip that weekend.

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Originally Posted by tomu741

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OK, or even simpler way. If we say that 80% is that ceiling. Then if member drops his quality to lower than 80% than he is deactivated that weekend and all team plays 5vs5. If 2 members drops below 80, then team plays 4vs4. If 3 members drop below 80%, then whole team should skip that weekend.

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I think we r going too much far away @tomu741 ..activate, deactivate ... think that the game was made in its essence to work fluidly, and with margin... so I see complicated and, myself when I did some similar suggestions I saw complicated to see them implemented for that reason.... this freedom is what keeps all these amount of managers....

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

I explained to you at #2.
This time tanking gonna be used for downgrade the team and manipulate asso draws.

The only solution is to remove the top100 list or use the nations teams for associations.

All the problems started after the asso.
In old TE, no one was talking about tanking.

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For me also the best solution is to use the National Teams for the Association..... tanking will be history !!!

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Originally Posted by tomu741

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OK, or even simpler way. If we say that 80% is that ceiling. Then if member drops his quality to lower than 80% than he is deactivated that weekend and all team plays 5vs5. If 2 members drops below 80, then team plays 4vs4. If 3 members drop below 80%, then whole team should skip that weekend.

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Or not allowed to buy players after the asso. draw at least for the teams who play association so the market open for them at monday again

I disagree with idea for using national team for asso. Its enough for me to deal with my main team, i dont want to spend addition tokens, rests and all that resources to hold that national team.
I dont see any complications, if a team is weak, he cant participate in a challenge. If you going to manipulate, you will not play. That's all

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Originally Posted by tomu741

I disagree with idea for using national team for asso. Its enough for me to deal with my main team, i dont want to spend addition tokens, rests and all that resources to hold that national team.
I dont see any complications, if a team is weak, he cant participate in a challenge. If you going to manipulate, you will not play. That's all

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But at least tanking is over, so in time more equal league

Why not @tomu741 ?
National team is extra
Associations is extra.
If you want extra games, participation, rewards, you must invest extra.

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Originally Posted by tomu741

I disagree with idea for using national team for asso. Its enough for me to deal with my main team, i dont want to spend addition tokens, rests and all that resources to hold that national team.
I dont see any complications, if a team is weak, he cant participate in a challenge. If you going to manipulate, you will not play. That's all

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This would unlink the league tanking with those teams that tank for FAs, really this was the main solution, discarded now...