I've had enough

I love this game but it's becoming a joke. I could just about put up with a team being down to 10 men from the 40th minute but scoring FOUR second half goals against me (manager not even watching so it wasn't a tactical master stroke), or the bottom team with player rankings over 13 points less than mine winning with 30% possession and only 3 shots on target.

But now I've lost a long bidding war against someone for player as my bid wasn't accepted despite me bidding 2 seconds before the deadline.

Nothing but greed from Top Eleven. Thanks for ruining it.

why did you wait that long to bid? You always risk it when you wait until 2 secs before the end.

It's common practice to try to out fox the other guy. I never leave it till the last second, two seconds should be time enough.

ridiculous, cya

all depends on how reliable your internet speed is. Some days I dont even bother to bid because the weather is bad on the island and I lose connections frequently. Other days I can bid with less than 2 seconds.

all that to say, when you play with fire you get burned. Waiting at 2 secs is a disaster waiting to happen = all it takes is a seconds worth of packet loss and you lose the auction, which seems to be what happened.

Tough luck my friend. It has happened to all of us at some point.

first raison is OK, raisonable
but the second, blame your internet connection, and if you know how your connection is, blame your self how did you choose this strategy? 20 s is large enough to do a bid and in long bidding war, why did you bid for the last second, only out of token take your opponent away?

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Originally Posted by tongly45

first raison is OK, raisonable
but the second, blame your internet connection, and if you know how your connection is, blame your self how did you choose this strategy? 20 s is large enough to do a bid and in long bidding war, why did you bid for the last second, only out of token take your opponent away?

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when you get into long bidding wars, you will try anything to save a few tokens - if you are not a token buyer. Trying to bid at the last second is not my main strat when I am spending over 20 tokens in an auction. In a long bid war, you have to minimize these types of snafus and bid safely if you want to guarantee you are around long enough to win.

I am sure the OP will learn from this, as we all have.

It's doing this so you buy tokens to buy red packs the whole games a fix like when we have the best players and best team we still lose to crap teams who are never active with 33 year old players I'm fed up with the owners too they should keep us token buyers happy instead they have done the complete opposite to me the minute I started buying tokens £60 worth this season I get loads of injures and get beat by teams almost 10.0 quality less than me

They should read this forum and take note instead the greedy idiots pee us off more thinking we will spend money to feed the addiction but I'm not giving them any more I have realised its a big fat FIX money grabbing you no what

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Originally Posted by gazbert

It's doing this so you buy tokens to buy red packs the whole games a fix like when we have the best players and best team we still lose to crap teams who are never active with 33 year old players I'm fed up with the owners too they should keep us token buyers happy instead they have done the complete opposite to me the minute I started buying tokens £60 worth this season I get loads of injures and get beat by teams almost 10.0 quality less than me

They should read this forum and take note instead the greedy idiots pee us off more thinking we will spend money to feed the addiction but I'm not giving them any more I have realised its a big fat FIX money grabbing you no what

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£60? ~750T? You would normally have a ****load of boosters and a whole team of 18/19 y.o. scouts from power training.

Will you buy another £60 worth of tokens next season?

Why do so many people complain about this game? Some you win, some you lose.

I keep reading about how the game is "fixed" to make you buy tokens. I do not agree. Look at these facts.

1: People who BUY tokens, win and lose matches.
2: People who DON'T BUY tokens, win and lose matches.
3: Higher quality teams, win and lose matches.
4: Lower quality teams, win and lose matches.
5: Token buyers get many injuries.
6: Non-token buyers get many injuries.

Now, doesn't this just seem evenly balanced?

I do not believe injuries are based upon how many tokens you have. I believe the recurring injuries players have, is based on how quickly you heal players. I buy a few tokens each season, but don't use them on ANY of the different packs. I currently have 229 red packs and have not used a single one of them on my players this season. I had 5 injuries in the first 7 days, but NONE since.

And just to finish. If higher quality teams were to always win, then it would no longer be a game. It would then come down to just who spends the most. THEN, it would be a fix.

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Originally Posted by Raykco

Why do so many people complain about this game? Some you win, some you lose.

I keep reading about how the game is "fixed" to make you buy tokens. I do not agree. Look at these facts.

1: People who BUY tokens, win and lose matches.
2: People who DON'T BUY tokens, win and lose matches.
3: Higher quality teams, win and lose matches.
4: Lower quality teams, win and lose matches.
5: Token buyers get many injuries.
6: Non-token buyers get many injuries.

Now, doesn't this just seem evenly balanced?

I do not believe injuries are based upon how many tokens you have. I believe the recurring injuries players have, is based on how quickly you heal players. I buy a few tokens each season, but don't use them on ANY of the different packs. I currently have 229 red packs and have not used a single one of them on my players this season. I had 5 injuries in the first 7 days, but NONE since.

And just to finish. If higher quality teams were to always win, then it would no longer be a game. It would then come down to just who spends the most. THEN, it would be a fix.

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Agree 100%

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Originally Posted by cracicot

£60? ~750T? You would normally have a ****load of boosters and a whole team of 18/19 y.o. scouts from power training.

Will you buy another £60 worth of tokens next season?

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No I won't be spending anymore money my team is level 2 so I can't buy young scouted players I only get offered 22 year olds + so I
Just use transfer windows my average team age is 20.1 I have 1 25 year old who I will sell so my age will be around 19.8 then
Like I have stated I really enjoy the game but its a money maker so I will stick with what I have now I still have 523 tokens saved so that will do me

For anyone that thinks the game is a fix.... they need to play the game for about 20 seasons and then make a judgement.

I've played this game long enough, I've played it as a non-token buyer, a token farmer and a token buyer and had many results good and bad and seen a lot of things unfold as I go up through the levels, but after many seasons and 4 different accounts of playing... I believe the game is totally fair for everyone.

With the number of seasons I've played I've won many leagues and this season I've been no certainty to win the league along side another token buyer in my league and a non-token rank outsider still has a chance of winning the league.

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Originally Posted by Golden Boys FC

Agree 100%

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Yes every team does lose your right but how often is the point here
I've lost 4 games this season and drew 4 I'm currently third just 3 points behind but the teams I've lost to never watch there game have no care for there team and there quality is below 15 I'm 30.1 so it's not realistic is it to lose 3-4 games to teams like that
The game is so unrealistic I won a game 14-0 the other day that's stupid no one wins 14-0 in real life

Also the games that great that they allow cheats to play doing token and money hacks they should remove these people surely they can catch them out

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Originally Posted by July Fourth

For anyone that thinks the game is a fix.... they need to play the game for about 20 seasons and then make a judgement.

I've played this game long enough, I've played it as a non-token buyer, a token farmer and a token buyer and had many results good and bad and seen a lot of things unfold as I go up through the levels, but after many seasons and 4 different accounts of playing... I believe the game is totally fair for everyone.

With the number of seasons I've played I've won many leagues and this season I've been no certainty to win the league along side another token buyer in my league and a non-token rank outsider still has a chance of winning the league.

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I see you always have positive things to say so answer me this what team in real life wins 14-0 also if the game is not all about making money why have they now taking off the videos for free packs

And surely they dont need to charge has much has they do for tokens its just pure greed just like the candy crush game that gets kids addicted to spend money its all a big money making scheme they don't care about these forums because they know we are all addicted now and it's not easy to delete the game

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Originally Posted by Raykco

Why do so many people complain about this game? Some you win, some you lose.

I keep reading about how the game is "fixed" to make you buy tokens. I do not agree. Look at these facts.

1: People who BUY tokens, win and lose matches.
2: People who DON'T BUY tokens, win and lose matches.
3: Higher quality teams, win and lose matches.
4: Lower quality teams, win and lose matches.
5: Token buyers get many injuries.
6: Non-token buyers get many injuries.

Now, doesn't this just seem evenly balanced?

I do not believe injuries are based upon how many tokens you have. I believe the recurring injuries players have, is based on how quickly you heal players. I buy a few tokens each season, but don't use them on ANY of the different packs. I currently have 229 red packs and have not used a single one of them on my players this season. I had 5 injuries in the first 7 days, but NONE since.

And just to finish. If higher quality teams were to always win, then it would no longer be a game. It would then come down to just who spends the most. THEN, it would be a fix.

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the most general, vanilla facts ever. Nordeus is like a casino. the house sets it up so that it will win the majority of times.

1. people who go to the casino, win and lose money
2. experienced gamblers win and lose money
3. inexperienced gamblers win and lose money

What I am saying and many others agree on, is that Nordeus has programmed certain thresholds into the game that will cause more injuries or morale issues or whatever they want to, so they can make more money. This shouldnt be a surprise. This game was made to make the owners money, not for our enjoyment. If it were for our enjoyment, they would fix the issues that are causing most of the posts on this forum.

You are 100% correct in that the game will not allow the better team to always win. but it is walking a thin line at the moment because sometimes it is down to who spends the most. Put a Tommy in the CL bracket and you can say that 9 out of 10 times he will win that trophy. That is when it is the manager who spends the most is the manager who wins the most. Please dont be naive and believe that this game does not give serious advantages to those who spend on tokens....yes you can win without buying but it is not the norm. You have to be serious and dedicated and at the end of the day, you have to spend time, much time to do this. Time = Money. Ah, but that is another thread altogether....

The game is skewed to encourage the buying of tokens. That is fact.

The game is skewed to encourage the buying of tokens. That is fact.[/QUOTE]

I think that it is only skewed to higher quality teams and not to the ones who bought tokens. But how do we prove either way? Will someone who is not buying tokens ever have a better team than a token buyer? I don't think so. Maybe the one who farms tokens but doesn't Nordeus make a ton of money on the ones who farm tokens? Yes, it does. So it will be hard to prove anything but in my opinion, it's based on quality, morale etc. and not based on how much money someone spent.

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Originally Posted by cracicot

The game is skewed to encourage the buying of tokens. That is fact.

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Spot on!
I used to play a lot on FullTilt before they got scr*wed, I won a lot of money over a period of three months, but in the end lost it in less than a day. What happened? Well... I used to play several tables at a time -3 or 4. So this particular day I got the pocket aces 7 times, went all-in preflop, had a sucker pay up each and every time and... lost all 7 times, including to hands like QTs, JJ and, most notably, the AKo. We flopped a J,8,2 rainbow... but he sucked out really hard- a Q on the turn and a T on the river. It turned out that all the online casinos had their software "fixed", so that many players could receive decent hands and stay in the game for as long as they can... so that the casinos could cash in the rake. I have never played poker online since and I find that it's a lot more difficult to fix the game in real life. Not to mention the excitement of facing your opponent face to face.
So my point is- where there's software and money to be made from this software, the outcome will always be the same- the players will lose and the house will make money out of them. If you really like the game and can afford it- buy tokens. If you really like it and can't afford tokens- just play the game and celebrate every victory over a token player like it's a title. If you don't like or enjoy the game- quit! Simple, right?
GL!

Well, playing this game 27 months taught me a lot :D
I played a lot of games and against a lot of managers :D
And one big conclusion is that if you buy tokens it does not mean that you will win it all.
What is the point if you make 10Q better team and win all. It should always be a element of suprise. Even strongest make mistakes.
Yes game has some unknown factors to us. I saw team playing with DC on goal entire season but making good results. People think if he is DC he has no hands :D Nobody are forcing anyone to buy tokens, and when you buy tokens there is not a box that tell you Guaranteed win :D

At the end of a day this is just a game like any other, of course not perfect, but we all hope it would be better every next season. :D

Cheers to a fellow Arsenal supporter!
Hopefully I'll have a reason to change the name of one of my strikers to "Higuain" tomorrow! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by cracicot

This game was made to make the owners money, not for our enjoyment.

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Well, Nordeus ain't a charity. They make money from programming games. And from what I've seen on these forums, they seem to make a lot of money, so why would they stop?
Why pay for something you don't enjoy?

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Originally Posted by Mr Mercury

Well, Nordeus ain't a charity. They make money from programming games. And from what I've seen on these forums, they seem to make a lot of money, so why would they stop?
Why pay for something you don't enjoy?

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that is true but not the point.

the point is that the game could be more fair to the manager and less of a token suckage machine.

Eventually Nordeus will take away the daily token deals or make the bids = 2 tokens instead of 1. Negs will be more expensive and scouts will be 75 tokens instead of 50.

When will it stop? When will they realize that their greediness has to be balanced with giving back to the customer. It cant always be take, take, take.

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Originally Posted by cracicot

that is true but not the point.

the point is that the game could be more fair to the manager and less of a token suckage machine.

Eventually Nordeus will take away the daily token deals or make the bids = 2 tokens instead of 1. Negs will be more expensive and scouts will be 75 tokens instead of 50.

When will it stop? When will they realize that their greediness has to be balanced with giving back to the customer. It cant always be take, take, take.

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I don't even know how to answer that.

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I don't even know how to answer that.

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"Glass Half Empty"....

Take away the daily token deals. Make each bid 2 tokens. Make negotiations more expensive. Scouts more than 50 tokens.
I don't remember a time when T11 didn't have daily deals, bids for less than one token, cheaper negotiations or cheaper scouts so obviously cracicot knows more than me.
Nordeus owes us something!

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Originally Posted by cracicot

that is true but not the point.

the point is that the game could be more fair to the manager and less of a token suckage machine.

Eventually Nordeus will take away the daily token deals or make the bids = 2 tokens instead of 1. Negs will be more expensive and scouts will be 75 tokens instead of 50.

When will it stop? When will they realize that their greediness has to be balanced with giving back to the customer. It cant always be take, take, take.

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exactly none of us are saying we shouldnt lose we are just pissed that we are being forced to buy tokens my team is winning 90% of games but i am getting more and more injuries since i have been buying tokens - coinsidence some might say but i think the dev have seen i am buying and throw me a few injuries so i spend my tokens on there red packs or by bidding on players because i have so many injured

also why have they now stopped giving free packs by watching videos because they are GREEDY thats why

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Originally Posted by Golden Boys FC

"Glass Half Empty"....

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I am a glass half full kind of guy, but I know when to fish or cut bait. My eyes are open, but there is still a lot of stuff going on that I dont know.

All I am saying is that its just a matter of time before the nice giveaways are stopped and things get more expensive. it happens with everything in this world and will come to T11

if you spent £60 on tokens and arent nailed on to win the treble at level 1 you seriously need to look at what tactics you are playing....

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Originally Posted by gazbert

exactly none of us are saying we shouldnt lose we are just pissed that we are being forced to buy tokens my team is winning 90% of games but i am getting more and more injuries since i have been buying tokens - coinsidence some might say but i think the dev have seen i am buying and throw me a few injuries so i spend my tokens on there red packs or by bidding on players because i have so many injured

also why have they now stopped giving free packs by watching videos because they are GREEDY thats why

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That was my point earlier. No one is being forced to buy tokens. Its a pure matter of choice. You say that the devs have seen you buying tokens and throw you injuries so you buy more red packs. Well, as I said, I buy tokens, and they must see that as well. But I don't use them on red packs to heal players, and as I also said, I have had only 5 injuries this season, and none since day 7. So your theory about forcing us to buy red packs for injuries, doesn't have any evidence.

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Originally Posted by fingermouse27

if you spent £60 on tokens and arent nailed on to win the treble at level 1 you seriously need to look at what tactics you are playing....

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Tactics mean nothing you really think they have devoloped a game where the tactics come into play bull****e
My team is average age of 20.1 my quality is 30.0 my team value 34.6 million no way is it because of my tactics it's because I have other teams in my league who spend money too so to keep us all happy they have to take us down to the last few games if I ran away with the league then my mates would stop spending the devs know this

If its about tactics then in theory a team who has no possession bonus playing players out of position has a player injured after 10 minutes and the manager is not there to make a sub should never win but they do playing against a team with better quality 15% bonus

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That was my point earlier. No one is being forced to buy tokens. Its a pure matter of choice. You say that the devs have seen you buying tokens and throw you injuries so you buy more red packs. Well, as I said, I buy tokens, and they must see that as well. But I don't use them on red packs to heal players, and as I also said, I have had only 5 injuries this season, and none since day 7. So your theory about forcing us to buy red packs for injuries, doesn't have any evidence.

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This game does not have evidence on most things how do we know that tactics make a difference how do we know that it's not completely random and so on I mean I have played approx 35 games this season and won 90% but my issue is these teams where the manager clearly does not play the game anymore his players are about dead every game but yet they still beat teams like myself that's exactly the reason why the tactics count for nothing

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That was my point earlier. No one is being forced to buy tokens. Its a pure matter of choice. You say that the devs have seen you buying tokens and throw you injuries so you buy more red packs. Well, as I said, I buy tokens, and they must see that as well. But I don't use them on red packs to heal players, and as I also said, I have had only 5 injuries this season, and none since day 7. So your theory about forcing us to buy red packs for injuries, doesn't have any evidence.

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I dont think it happens on the scale that you are referring to. I think they dial it up a notch overall on everyone when they need more money. Some will not be affected, others affected greatly. I just think that if there are 100K injuries a day for over 1M players, then they dial it up so that there are 200K injuries per day and that will make people use more red bags and will make more managers buy more tokens for red bags.

You have to stop thinking of just how it affects yourself and how it affects the larger population. See the forest through the trees amigo!

What I have described is easy to do and is most likely done with other aspects of the game as well.

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Originally Posted by gazbert

Tactics mean nothing you really think they have devoloped a game where the tactics come into play bull****e
My team is average age of 20.1 my quality is 30.0 my team value 34.6 million no way is it because of my tactics it's because I have other teams in my league who spend money too so to keep us all happy they have to take us down to the last few games if I ran away with the league then my mates would stop spending the devs know this

If its about tactics then in theory a team who has no possession bonus playing players out of position has a player injured after 10 minutes and the manager is not there to make a sub should never win but they do playing against a team with better quality 15% bonus

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Gaz, it is already common knowledge that age means absolutely jack squat in this game in terms of performance. It only comes into play for worth and training rates.

This game is loosely based on player/team quality with a touch(LOL) of randomness brought into the game through the infamous NGE (Nordeus Game Engine). This NGE brings us the frustration of extremely common upsets where LOL serious underdogs regularly beat vastly superior quality teams. This is the fantasy/reality created by Nordeus that just adds to the other issues that dont make sense in terms of the realness of this game.

Forget that you can instantly heal with red bags(reddeviljohn ;) ), but the scheduling issues and rate of injuries already make this a fantasy football game rather than a football simulation. Factor in the more than common upsets and it only solidifies the fantasy aspect. The only simulation aspect to this game is the player management part, and even then, the manager influence thing is to justify the sale of tokens so they can profit. It is like the more tokens you buy, the more you are like Abramavich, which is funny since he doesnt always have enough influence to get the best players.

All this to say, there are many issues that cripple the enjoyability of this game, which is a crime, since there are some good positives to this game. It is unfortunate that the negatives outweigh the positives most of the time for the majority of managers. The outstanding issues are taking so much time to deal with, if there are plans to deal with them at all. The lack of communication with Nordeus to its customers is horrible. they need a serious overhaul to make this game what it can be.