I've had enough

[cracicot]

Why do so many people complain about this game? Some you win, some you lose.

I keep reading about how the game is "fixed" to make you buy tokens. I do not agree. Look at these facts.

1: People who BUY tokens, win and lose matches.
2: People who DON'T BUY tokens, win and lose matches.
3: Higher quality teams, win and lose matches.
4: Lower quality teams, win and lose matches.
5: Token buyers get many injuries.
6: Non-token buyers get many injuries.

Now, doesn't this just seem evenly balanced?

I do not believe injuries are based upon how many tokens you have. I believe the recurring injuries players have, is based on how quickly you heal players. I buy a few tokens each season, but don't use them on ANY of the different packs. I currently have 229 red packs and have not used a single one of them on my players this season. I had 5 injuries in the first 7 days, but NONE since.

And just to finish. If higher quality teams were to always win, then it would no longer be a game. It would then come down to just who spends the most. THEN, it would be a fix.

the most general, vanilla facts ever. Nordeus is like a casino. the house sets it up so that it will win the majority of times.

1. people who go to the casino, win and lose money
2. experienced gamblers win and lose money
3. inexperienced gamblers win and lose money

What I am saying and many others agree on, is that Nordeus has programmed certain thresholds into the game that will cause more injuries or morale issues or whatever they want to, so they can make more money. This shouldnt be a surprise. This game was made to make the owners money, not for our enjoyment. If it were for our enjoyment, they would fix the issues that are causing most of the posts on this forum.

You are 100% correct in that the game will not allow the better team to always win. but it is walking a thin line at the moment because sometimes it is down to who spends the most. Put a Tommy in the CL bracket and you can say that 9 out of 10 times he will win that trophy. That is when it is the manager who spends the most is the manager who wins the most. Please dont be naive and believe that this game does not give serious advantages to those who spend on tokens....yes you can win without buying but it is not the norm. You have to be serious and dedicated and at the end of the day, you have to spend time, much time to do this. Time = Money. Ah, but that is another thread altogether....

The game is skewed to encourage the buying of tokens. That is fact.

[magic3]

The game is skewed to encourage the buying of tokens. That is fact.[/QUOTE]

I think that it is only skewed to higher quality teams and not to the ones who bought tokens. But how do we prove either way? Will someone who is not buying tokens ever have a better team than a token buyer? I don't think so. Maybe the one who farms tokens but doesn't Nordeus make a ton of money on the ones who farm tokens? Yes, it does. So it will be hard to prove anything but in my opinion, it's based on quality, morale etc. and not based on how much money someone spent.

[SSDD]

The game is skewed to encourage the buying of tokens. That is fact.

Spot on!
I used to play a lot on FullTilt before they got scr*wed, I won a lot of money over a period of three months, but in the end lost it in less than a day. What happened? Well... I used to play several tables at a time -3 or 4. So this particular day I got the pocket aces 7 times, went all-in preflop, had a sucker pay up each and every time and... lost all 7 times, including to hands like QTs, JJ and, most notably, the AKo. We flopped a J,8,2 rainbow... but he sucked out really hard- a Q on the turn and a T on the river. It turned out that all the online casinos had their software "fixed", so that many players could receive decent hands and stay in the game for as long as they can... so that the casinos could cash in the rake. I have never played poker online since and I find that it's a lot more difficult to fix the game in real life. Not to mention the excitement of facing your opponent face to face.
So my point is- where there's software and money to be made from this software, the outcome will always be the same- the players will lose and the house will make money out of them. If you really like the game and can afford it- buy tokens. If you really like it and can't afford tokens- just play the game and celebrate every victory over a token player like it's a title. If you don't like or enjoy the game- quit! Simple, right?
GL!

[Mr Mercury]

This game was made to make the owners money, not for our enjoyment.

Well, Nordeus ain't a charity. They make money from programming games. And from what I've seen on these forums, they seem to make a lot of money, so why would they stop?
Why pay for something you don't enjoy?

[cracicot]

Well, Nordeus ain't a charity. They make money from programming games. And from what I've seen on these forums, they seem to make a lot of money, so why would they stop?
Why pay for something you don't enjoy?

that is true but not the point.

the point is that the game could be more fair to the manager and less of a token suckage machine.

Eventually Nordeus will take away the daily token deals or make the bids = 2 tokens instead of 1. Negs will be more expensive and scouts will be 75 tokens instead of 50.

When will it stop? When will they realize that their greediness has to be balanced with giving back to the customer. It cant always be take, take, take.

[Mr Mercury]

that is true but not the point.

the point is that the game could be more fair to the manager and less of a token suckage machine.

Eventually Nordeus will take away the daily token deals or make the bids = 2 tokens instead of 1. Negs will be more expensive and scouts will be 75 tokens instead of 50.

When will it stop? When will they realize that their greediness has to be balanced with giving back to the customer. It cant always be take, take, take.

I don't even know how to answer that.

[Golden Boys FC]

I don't even know how to answer that.

"Glass Half Empty"....

[cracicot]

"Glass Half Empty"....

I am a glass half full kind of guy, but I know when to fish or cut bait. My eyes are open, but there is still a lot of stuff going on that I dont know.

All I am saying is that its just a matter of time before the nice giveaways are stopped and things get more expensive. it happens with everything in this world and will come to T11

[gazbert]

that is true but not the point.

the point is that the game could be more fair to the manager and less of a token suckage machine.

Eventually Nordeus will take away the daily token deals or make the bids = 2 tokens instead of 1. Negs will be more expensive and scouts will be 75 tokens instead of 50.

When will it stop? When will they realize that their greediness has to be balanced with giving back to the customer. It cant always be take, take, take.

exactly none of us are saying we shouldnt lose we are just pissed that we are being forced to buy tokens my team is winning 90% of games but i am getting more and more injuries since i have been buying tokens - coinsidence some might say but i think the dev have seen i am buying and throw me a few injuries so i spend my tokens on there red packs or by bidding on players because i have so many injured

also why have they now stopped giving free packs by watching videos because they are GREEDY thats why

[Raykco]

exactly none of us are saying we shouldnt lose we are just pissed that we are being forced to buy tokens my team is winning 90% of games but i am getting more and more injuries since i have been buying tokens - coinsidence some might say but i think the dev have seen i am buying and throw me a few injuries so i spend my tokens on there red packs or by bidding on players because i have so many injured

also why have they now stopped giving free packs by watching videos because they are GREEDY thats why

That was my point earlier. No one is being forced to buy tokens. Its a pure matter of choice. You say that the devs have seen you buying tokens and throw you injuries so you buy more red packs. Well, as I said, I buy tokens, and they must see that as well. But I don't use them on red packs to heal players, and as I also said, I have had only 5 injuries this season, and none since day 7. So your theory about forcing us to buy red packs for injuries, doesn't have any evidence.