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I keep winning my matches, my players are all on their best position (even lefties are on the left side of the field, right on right side).
I give 7.5/15K bonus salary per each win, etc...
And yet, I keep losing moral, at a rather rapid rate. I have to use about 4/5 boosters every day to bring them back up. So I'm wondering what's making them lose moral ?
Thanks.
Nordeus is making them lose moral. its to make you buy blue boosters with tokens, and to buy tokens to make them rich. simple.
I thought of that, : )
But is there no other more "technical explanation" ? Guess, I'm not satisfied with that one...
Im getting more and more the idea that this is a crappy game. Everything in the game is designed to make you pay. Is there another game like this thats not designed to make you pay. Something like hattrick?
I have done some testing and there are hard stats: morale can go up, but its rare and there are no published or admitted reasons for it to go down. you can win every game of the season, have the max win bonus and play the same players every game and they will always lose morale. it is just not logical. they state that they try to make this game as realistic as possible: the injuries are from the EPL stats, mourinho-troll puts his name on it, the follow the basic rules of the game for the most part......but they dont provide realistic results. everything, and i mean EVERYTHING is geared towards you buying tokens. there is no way morale should go down like it does but the only explanation is that you have to use blue boosters. In the first 4 seasons I bought 80 tokens on average each season and did not use any win bonus and won a ton of trophies, and I hardly used blue boosters at all!!! Since I stopped buying tokens, my morale is ****, even with win bonuses and winning and I always have ZERO blue boosters now.
what else can i say? They do this to make you buy blue boosters, they cause an insane amount of injuries to make you buy red boosters, and they schedule the games so close together to make you buy green boosters. Anyone can see they are a bunch of greedy bastards that are screwing people out of money. They cant even make the game fair...just look at the LOL results of the game engine! Nordeus needs new management. If they made it more fair, they would more than likely make more money as more people would be happier with the game.
That explains a lot indeed, : ) I forced myself not to think of this, because these sort of things tend to annoy me and make me stop a game. Just deleted my Goal United account for example. Got tired of waiting for days for anything to happen, or spend a tone of cash in the game to speed it up... (a bit like here in fact).
I like the competitiveness of this game though. But if I keep getting annoyed much more, I'm afraid I won't be here very much longer, sadly, :(
Just play it out of boredom but dont spend any money on it. Think of it as a way to play fantasy football for free, and i stress the use of the word FANTASY, because the only real thing in this game is the frustration.Quote:
Originally Posted by kebess
Hahaha , : )Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
Got pretty frustrated earlier today, when I tasted the bitterness of losing for the first time because of an Illegal Formation (no wings)...
Why don't they add a warning somewhere in the game ? I had no idea what it was, or that such a thing even existed...
It would be more logical that moral goes up when you win a game, and specially when you win with big numbers. This game is totally onrealistic.
If I were you I would stick around for a bit, look at the game objectively and come to your own conclusions rather listening to people like cracicot. Logically, either:Quote:
Originally Posted by kebess
a) Things aren't nearly as bad as he says and he is one of those people who just likes crying about anything and everything, or
b) He makes such horrific life decisions that he continues to play a game that he absolutely hates and spends further free time on the forum
Either way it doesn't sound like the kind of person who should be influencing your opinions.
Dude, you dont know me and have not read many of my posts. I may sound negative about many things about T11, but they are deserved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piemaster
I dont make **** up. I dont cry about things. I simply state how things are. I am a gamer and have excelled at many a game, but T11 makes it hard to do so without spending money. There are always cases where there is success without spending and many of the people on this forum who dont spend go out of their way to advertise this, which is fine, but it is a small sample of the T11 population.
Facts are facts: the game is on the middle of a fence between a good game and a ****ty game...which side will it land on? Only time will tell, but the way things are going in terms of gameplay, I would bet the farm that something else is coming along that will prove T11 to be on the **** side.
Really? you dare speculate that I make horrific life decisions? You dont know me or anything about my life, but you think you can know who or what I am by the negative posts on this forum? Focus on the game and its negative aspects before you focus on the people complaining about it, because at the end of the day, people only complain when they experience something bad. IF its just a few people complaining, then you can probably put it down to them being chronic complainers, but if a ton of people complain, then the odds are that the fault lies in the game itself.
So before you sit yourself on that golden throne of yours, you might want to use your 12 posts in this forum to gain some perspective. In 8 months I have learned alot about this game and the people who play it. what I have not been able to learn is 100% of the games rules or how the game works. This is apparently a company secret and it has taken many many many months of hard work by forum members to determine rules and aspects of gameplay that were never revealed and/or confirmed by Nordeus, for whatever reason. that makes it a challenge for some and a nuisance for others.
By all means, advise the OP to come to his own conclusions, which is great advice, as I tend to advise people to do the same, but you have to give them as much information as possible in order for them to make intelligent, informed decisions. Just playing the game is not enough to do so. Coming here to the forum, reading and doing your own testing/investigating is most likely the best thing someone can do in order to come to an informed, intelligent decision on whether to continue to play this game.
So before you advise others to ignore my "crying" and "horrible life decisions", you might want to do some serious reading in this forum. I GUARANTEE you that you will quickly change your tone once you do.
FYI, this game for me is a boredom killer, and these days, its barely that anymore. I am just hanging around now to complete my stadium and "finish" this game...because thats what I do - I succeed at games and finish them. (I still have to kill the joker in Batman:asylum, but since I moved to Spain with no XBOX, I am sad for not finishing it, but I WILL...dammit, so CLOSE!!!)
Colin OUT!
Im in my 12th season and i have never had a problem with moral,i may have to use about 30 moral boosts a season but my team plays better when moral is decent but not to the top (a happy team dosnt always play the best).
I now have over 600 M boosters.
i wait until they go yellow color bar before giving them a boost
Just because this forum account has 12 posts doesn't really mean squat. I won't pretend I have read all 1700 of your posts. But I have read a lot and recently nearly every one has been a complaint about some aspect of the game or about how Nordeus are money grabbing bastards who rig the game to make you spend more. Logically either you are exaggerating or you aren't exaggerating If you're exaggerating then you're just an attention-whoring drama queen. If you're not exaggerating then you think the game is terrible and there is no reason for you to be here. And don't give us that 'I'm just trying to complete the game then I'm gone' spiel. Why will maxing out your stadium make you feel any more satisfied than you do now? And even if that is your goal then you wouldn't be spending so long hanging around the forum discussing the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
This game has a massive pay-to-win component. This should have been abundantly clear to you from the day you signed up. You can use all the tactics and strategy you want, but the fact is over the long term you'll never beat someone who has unlimited money to throw at the game. Either buy into this model or don't, because it's not going to change. Everyone who plays the game has 3 options.
1. Spend loads of money to be the best, or among the best
2. Don't spend loads (or indeed any) money and get some enjoyment out of the game doing as best you can while accepting some teams will always beat you no matter what.
3. Quit
All three are perfectly sensible options. What isn't sensible is continuing to play a game you hate. There are so many good computer games out there why would you do that to yourself? If you want a MP soccer management game where can't pay to win then I recommend Hattrick. I played it for several years and it's pretty good. There are plenty of Hattrick players who have wacky conspiracy about the game being 'rigged' in various ways too, so you should fit in just fine.
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Originally Posted by thon
This is quite interesting. So you're saying it should be "very good" instead of "superb" ? How did you come to this conclusion, if I may ask ?Quote:
i wait until they go yellow color bar before giving them a boost
True Dat! That they are. And your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Piemaster
And if I say I am only hanging around to complete my stadium, I am. What makes you think that I would not do such a thing? To say that I am lying to you about that is just absurd and insulting. But with 12 posts, I can make that judgment call, since it shows that you have no clue about what I contribute to this forum. I may be negative at times, but I like to bring a sense of humour to this place or else I would have quit long ago. The crap that goes on here is mildly amusing at the worst of times and is a constant source of amusement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piemaster
EDIT: I have several posts with info on this game that have proved helpful to many, AND I have a ton of posts helping others with counter formations and other help, so I am not on here only to complain. But of course since you dont feel like going through 1700 posts of mine, you wouldnt know that. Just thought I would educate you....
EPIC FAIL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Piemaster
Again, you dont know me. Why do you assume that just because someone complains about something, they hate it? So I hate my wife because she constantly leaves the toilet seat DOWN and I complain about it all the time?
You seem to spout off info on here like I am some noob that needs to learn about the game. I am NOT exaggerating about this game. Why do I have to do that? **** stinks bad enough, why make it worse than it is...just say **** stinks.
I like Football, no, I LOVE footie. My brother got me into this game and for the first 4 seasons it was fun and I now have a few accounts at several levels.
recommend all the games you want, I reserve the right to play this game AND complain about it. We are still free to make our own choices - yes???
your 3 options are obvious and nothing new. We all know this after spending time on this forum and those who dont know this most likely dont care or come here after they have been raped by a LOL bot team with illegal formation.
I have seen enough posts, screenshots and my own personal experiences with this game to know when the deck is stacked. As a programmer myself, and a realist I might add, it is not hard to see that the capitalist view on this game from the developer side outweighs the gaming aspect. They focus too much on making money and less on the actual gameplay. They have a right to be greedy, but I have a right to call them out on it. If you dont like it, just hit the good old 'IGNORE' button.
Well, it's mostly out of necessity on my no $ teams, I simply cannot boost them sooner. And really the idea is to use as few as possible, the players can stay static or gain a tiny bit if they have a good game. I'm willing to spend a little on this game, but am trying to be frugal as well... I haven't noticed that much difference in their play between green and yellow.Quote:
Originally Posted by kebess
As an aside, one of my first goals in this game was to build an enormous stadium (I like building stuff games, and of course i want an 80,000 capacity.)
...And I really get the idea of finishing a game.
Hey guys can we all respect each other? Like Cracicot said, just click on the user and ignore if you can't stand them. :)
I agree with cracicot. This game was made to gain money. Gamers can enjoy it, but also we can complain when they abuse us. And injuries, schedule and morale are abuses.
They were meant to be obvious, that's the idea. Sometimes the only way to make a point is by starting with what should be obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
And yet as far as I can see you haven't posted a single shred of real evidence for it. If your theory that the game intentionally injures your best players is correct, then it would be trivially easy to prove. Just take a large(ish) sample of teams and make note of which players are injured on each team. If your theory is true you will notice a large discrepancy showing that the best players are disproportionately injured*. Should be about an hour's work, tops. If you do this and post the results then take my word for it that I will be all ears and suddenly very interested in what you have to say.Quote:
I have seen enough posts, screenshots and my own personal experiences with this game to know when the deck is stacked.
But screenshots? Seriously? You think one person posting something abnormal happening means a damn thing? There are thousands of people playing this game. Pretty much everything that can happen on the probability curve, will happen to someone eventually even if it hasn't already.
It's not like it's a choice between one and the other. Of course they're focused on making money, if they didn't then they wouldn't survive as a company. It doesn't matter how great the gameplay is, if 50 million people are playing the game but none of them are spending anything then it's going to be hard to keep the lights on. But I'm not even sure what you're complaining about. You talk like it should be a god given right for everyone to have all their players on max morale, injury free and fully conditioned at all times without spending any money. But isn't juggling all these variables part of the game? Everyone who plays has to face the same challenges so what's the problem? Of course, those who are willing to spend money can essentially 'cheat' and bulldoze over those problems and that's the downside with this kind of game pricing model. But I assume you knew that within your first week of playing, the rest of us sure did, so you must have come to terms with it by now.Quote:
As a programmer myself, and a realist I might add, it is not hard to see that the capitalist view on this game from the developer side outweighs the gaming aspect. They focus too much on making money and less on the actual gameplay.
* You would expect a small discrepancy of course, due to the fact that the best players likely play and train more.
Max stadium is 260,000 I believeQuote:
Originally Posted by Cat Harrison
and we just had a little glimpse of how it would be to be married to youQuote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
Toilet seat down ? Doesn't bother me, I aim pretty well.
Dude, READ. there are so many posts that show the rigged nature of this game. I shouldnt have to collect them for youQuote:
Originally Posted by Piemaster
I've read plenty and none of them have shown anything more than anecdotal evidence and cherry-picked data. I'm certainly willing to consider that I may have missed the conclusive ones. If you link me one (just one, I'm not asking you to 'collect' anything) properly conducted study that proves a rigged game engine I will happily read it and assess it on its merits.
Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not at all discounting the notion that the game may be 'rigged' in certain ways. I'm just not prepared to blindly accept the fact on the basis of some half-arsed anecdotal evidence and the online equivelant of 'some bloke in the pub told me'.
Im too lazy to look up the old posts, but suffice to say that there are a ton of posts by some ancients on this forum who have experienced things that almost prove the game is rigged. Funny how they rebooted the forum and all the old posts are gone...posts that complain about the pre-ordained results. There are other regulars on this forum that have been around long enough to remember those posts and I only remember this because they brought it up in the countless "conspiracy" threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piemaster
Look, If I could prove this, then others could and this game would be **** down the tubes already. That is why the devs are tight-lipped on everything about this game. An insider is the only person capable of "outting" Nordeus, and that just a fact of life in this business. I may not be 100% right but I can almost guarantee I am correct about alot of other things in this game.
All I can say is that if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and waddles like a duck, then logically, it must be a duck. There are many occurances and strange aspects of this game that point towards it being a "duck" . I am not willing to give Nordeus the benefit of the doubt anymore. Too many LOL results, too many coincidences.
@magic3: about leaving the seat down, it was to make a point. I leave it down always on purpose so there is no arguements or debate in the house....if I have to lift it to piss, she can she....it is only fair.
I thought WE were the "ducks", calming sitting and waiting to be shot...?
And this comment comes from a person who buys tokens and has nothing to worry about as nordeus favours all those who buy tokens over those who don't!!! LOLsQuote:
Originally Posted by Piemaster
Same here!!! Last season I got 10 injuries in about 7 matches. Nordeus must have been expecting me to buy treatments coz they started with my best players and when they had none left, the stopped. Maybe coz I didn't buy the kits. This season I am continuously losing matches to teams 10 quality less than me. Now are they expecting me to buy tokens to buy scouts coz most all of my playing 11 r already high 4- mid 5 stars!!! I wont spend money on a game like this!!! And no one shud. Take it as a game. It shudn't be that one who spends money win while those who don't lose!!! :mad:
Yep, starting to hate things more and more every single day... I can handle a lost. What I can't handle is an unrealistic and illogical lost... This is why I don't play poker, :)
Very well said man!!! Respect 2 u..... I totally agree!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
Nice one!!! So true...Quote:
Originally Posted by kebess
So basically there is no evidence at all any more because it all got deleted. Same as all the stuff about the US government orchestrating the WTC attacks I assume. I described to you earlier in the thread how you could, very quickly and easily, confirm or refute your suspicions, so I guess the ball's in your court. Or you could just throw insubstantial accusations around I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
Written and liked by two people who know nothing about me but are pretending they do. Whatever, jokers.Quote:
And this comment comes from a person who buys tokens and has nothing to worry about as nordeus favours all those who buy tokens over those who don't!!! LOLs
The ironic thing is, just last week we had a thread where several people swore blind that Nordeus deliberately hurt the people who did buy tokens over those who didn't. It seems logical consistency is not a big priority among the tinfoil hat brigade.
Believe me or not, I dont give a **** what you think about this game, you make you own decisions. I dont waste my time "converting" people, I just provide as much info as I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piemaster
Lets not even get started about what I think about the WTC coverups. This is a game where the devs/management are shifty with a game engine that dishes out illogical results and utter crap frequently.
all that to say, the ball is not in my court, because I dont play. I just acquire info and make my own decisions. But facts are facts and there are several things in this game that sway me.
Now you know what it is like to be judged without having any info.
Who said that your players must be healthy all the time? With high moral and good condition?
Any team in the world have injuries, bad moral and bad condition
It is part of any team luck during the year.
The fact that someone buys lots of tokens means he must have the best results ???
Is this directed towards my OP?Quote:
Originally Posted by hod
What is OP?
Original Post(er) / First post of a thread.
Hey kebess.
I had a general comment about condition/moral/injuries.
Now, although I strongly believe that Nordeus is doing it purposely since they want you to use real money, I do understand they doing it to earn money, this is their business and if no one will buy tokens then they will not have the money to maintain for us servers, developers, etc..
This is acceptable.
Still, let's put aside the fact that Nordeus is 'abusing' our teams. In real life, doesn't sometimes a team gets into bad luck, lots of injuries and bad coach decisions. Sometimes a very good team lose to a small and weak team?
Shi* happens.
Only yesterday our national team Israel played against Azerbaijan after the entire Strikers injured before the game started and our great coach (not great anymore) put us in a 'what are you doing' defense formation which clearly was a disaster and as a result we draw 1-1 and lost any chance to qualify to WC2014.
Bottom line- accept it and play the best you can.
p.s I am on israeli server and so i dont have a chance to get free green/red/blue, trust me it makes my life on the game much harder. but it also add extra motivation.
What I was saying was right but as Cracicot said, " I can't change people." Anyways, just to prove my point and be done with it, I will just place an example that those who buy loads of tokens have teams packed with scouts and legends and complete the league undefeated. I mean, whats fun in that??? Its like Barcelona with all its gr8 players have entered the league in which my school team plays!!! There is no competition as even Pep Guardiola or Alex Fergussion can't defeat teams like Barca, Madrid, ManU, etc using school teams. So all that the weaker teams manager can do is sit and see how badly he loses, just praying that his GD doesn't go into negatives. I am saying that THIS should change as I have experienced it!!! And even if my team which is 8-9 quality more than others lose, the teams of these token buyers never lose. The token buyers shud be placed in a different league and in a different server all together!!! This would cause low competition in the transfers markets for those managers with 35T budget. P.S I know more than u about this game, in reality or virtually. So think twice be4 u say anything!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Piemaster