How does moral work ?

[cracicot]

Just because this forum account has 12 posts doesn't really mean squat. I won't pretend I have read all 1700 of your posts. But I have read a lot and recently nearly every one has been a complaint about some aspect of the game or about how Nordeus are money grabbing bastards who rig the game to make you spend more.

True Dat! That they are. And your point?

Logically either you are exaggerating or you aren't exaggerating If you're exaggerating then you're just an attention-whoring drama queen. If you're not exaggerating then you think the game is terrible and there is no reason for you to be here. And don't give us that 'I'm just trying to complete the game then I'm gone' spiel. Why will maxing out your stadium make you feel any more satisfied than you do now? And even if that is your goal then you wouldn't be spending so long hanging around the forum discussing the game.

And if I say I am only hanging around to complete my stadium, I am. What makes you think that I would not do such a thing? To say that I am lying to you about that is just absurd and insulting. But with 12 posts, I can make that judgment call, since it shows that you have no clue about what I contribute to this forum. I may be negative at times, but I like to bring a sense of humour to this place or else I would have quit long ago. The crap that goes on here is mildly amusing at the worst of times and is a constant source of amusement.

EDIT: I have several posts with info on this game that have proved helpful to many, AND I have a ton of posts helping others with counter formations and other help, so I am not on here only to complain. But of course since you dont feel like going through 1700 posts of mine, you wouldnt know that. Just thought I would educate you....

This game has a massive pay-to-win component. This should have been abundantly clear to you from the day you signed up. You can use all the tactics and strategy you want, but the fact is over the long term you'll never beat someone who has unlimited money to throw at the game. Either buy into this model or don't, because it's not going to change. Everyone who plays the game has 3 options.

1. Spend loads of money to be the best, or among the best
2. Don't spend loads (or indeed any) money and get some enjoyment out of the game doing as best you can while accepting some teams will always beat you no matter what.
3. Quit

All three are perfectly sensible options. What isn't sensible is continuing to play a game you hate. There are so many good computer games out there why would you do that to yourself? If you want a MP soccer management game where can't pay to win then I recommend Hattrick. I played it for several years and it's pretty good. There are plenty of Hattrick players who have wacky conspiracy about the game being 'rigged' in various ways too, so you should fit in just fine.

EPIC FAIL!

Again, you dont know me. Why do you assume that just because someone complains about something, they hate it? So I hate my wife because she constantly leaves the toilet seat DOWN and I complain about it all the time?

You seem to spout off info on here like I am some noob that needs to learn about the game. I am NOT exaggerating about this game. Why do I have to do that? **** stinks bad enough, why make it worse than it is...just say **** stinks.

I like Football, no, I LOVE footie. My brother got me into this game and for the first 4 seasons it was fun and I now have a few accounts at several levels.

recommend all the games you want, I reserve the right to play this game AND complain about it. We are still free to make our own choices - yes???

your 3 options are obvious and nothing new. We all know this after spending time on this forum and those who dont know this most likely dont care or come here after they have been raped by a LOL bot team with illegal formation.

I have seen enough posts, screenshots and my own personal experiences with this game to know when the deck is stacked. As a programmer myself, and a realist I might add, it is not hard to see that the capitalist view on this game from the developer side outweighs the gaming aspect. They focus too much on making money and less on the actual gameplay. They have a right to be greedy, but I have a right to call them out on it. If you dont like it, just hit the good old 'IGNORE' button.

[Piemaster]

your 3 options are obvious and nothing new. We all know this after spending time on this forum and those who dont know this most likely dont care or come here after they have been raped by a LOL bot team with illegal formation.

They were meant to be obvious, that's the idea. Sometimes the only way to make a point is by starting with what should be obvious.

I have seen enough posts, screenshots and my own personal experiences with this game to know when the deck is stacked.

And yet as far as I can see you haven't posted a single shred of real evidence for it. If your theory that the game intentionally injures your best players is correct, then it would be trivially easy to prove. Just take a large(ish) sample of teams and make note of which players are injured on each team. If your theory is true you will notice a large discrepancy showing that the best players are disproportionately injured*. Should be about an hour's work, tops. If you do this and post the results then take my word for it that I will be all ears and suddenly very interested in what you have to say.

But screenshots? Seriously? You think one person posting something abnormal happening means a damn thing? There are thousands of people playing this game. Pretty much everything that can happen on the probability curve, will happen to someone eventually even if it hasn't already.

As a programmer myself, and a realist I might add, it is not hard to see that the capitalist view on this game from the developer side outweighs the gaming aspect. They focus too much on making money and less on the actual gameplay.

It's not like it's a choice between one and the other. Of course they're focused on making money, if they didn't then they wouldn't survive as a company. It doesn't matter how great the gameplay is, if 50 million people are playing the game but none of them are spending anything then it's going to be hard to keep the lights on. But I'm not even sure what you're complaining about. You talk like it should be a god given right for everyone to have all their players on max morale, injury free and fully conditioned at all times without spending any money. But isn't juggling all these variables part of the game? Everyone who plays has to face the same challenges so what's the problem? Of course, those who are willing to spend money can essentially 'cheat' and bulldoze over those problems and that's the downside with this kind of game pricing model. But I assume you knew that within your first week of playing, the rest of us sure did, so you must have come to terms with it by now.

* You would expect a small discrepancy of course, due to the fact that the best players likely play and train more.

[cracicot]

They were meant to be obvious, that's the idea. Sometimes the only way to make a point is by starting with what should be obvious.



And yet as far as I can see you haven't posted a single shred of real evidence for it. If your theory that the game intentionally injures your best players is correct, then it would be trivially easy to prove. Just take a large(ish) sample of teams and make note of which players are injured on each team. If your theory is true you will notice a large discrepancy showing that the best players are disproportionately injured*. Should be about an hour's work, tops. If you do this and post the results then take my word for it that I will be all ears and suddenly very interested in what you have to say.

But screenshots? Seriously? You think one person posting something abnormal happening means a damn thing? There are thousands of people playing this game. Pretty much everything that can happen on the probability curve, will happen to someone eventually even if it hasn't already.



It's not like it's a choice between one and the other. Of course they're focused on making money, if they didn't then they wouldn't survive as a company. It doesn't matter how great the gameplay is, if 50 million people are playing the game but none of them are spending anything then it's going to be hard to keep the lights on. But I'm not even sure what you're complaining about. You talk like it should be a god given right for everyone to have all their players on max morale, injury free and fully conditioned at all times without spending any money. But isn't juggling all these variables part of the game? Everyone who plays has to face the same challenges so what's the problem? Of course, those who are willing to spend money can essentially 'cheat' and bulldoze over those problems and that's the downside with this kind of game pricing model. But I assume you knew that within your first week of playing, the rest of us sure did, so you must have come to terms with it by now.

* You would expect a small discrepancy of course, due to the fact that the best players likely play and train more.

Dude, READ. there are so many posts that show the rigged nature of this game. I shouldnt have to collect them for you

[Piemaster]

I've read plenty and none of them have shown anything more than anecdotal evidence and cherry-picked data. I'm certainly willing to consider that I may have missed the conclusive ones. If you link me one (just one, I'm not asking you to 'collect' anything) properly conducted study that proves a rigged game engine I will happily read it and assess it on its merits.

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not at all discounting the notion that the game may be 'rigged' in certain ways. I'm just not prepared to blindly accept the fact on the basis of some half-arsed anecdotal evidence and the online equivelant of 'some bloke in the pub told me'.

[cracicot]

I've read plenty and none of them have shown anything more than anecdotal evidence and cherry-picked data. I'm certainly willing to consider that I may have missed the conclusive ones. If you link me one (just one, I'm not asking you to 'collect' anything) properly conducted study that proves a rigged game engine I will happily read it and assess it on its merits.

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not at all discounting the notion that the game may be 'rigged' in certain ways. I'm just not prepared to blindly accept the fact on the basis of some half-arsed anecdotal evidence and the online equivelant of 'some bloke in the pub told me'.

Im too lazy to look up the old posts, but suffice to say that there are a ton of posts by some ancients on this forum who have experienced things that almost prove the game is rigged. Funny how they rebooted the forum and all the old posts are gone...posts that complain about the pre-ordained results. There are other regulars on this forum that have been around long enough to remember those posts and I only remember this because they brought it up in the countless "conspiracy" threads.

Look, If I could prove this, then others could and this game would be **** down the tubes already. That is why the devs are tight-lipped on everything about this game. An insider is the only person capable of "outting" Nordeus, and that just a fact of life in this business. I may not be 100% right but I can almost guarantee I am correct about alot of other things in this game.

All I can say is that if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and waddles like a duck, then logically, it must be a duck. There are many occurances and strange aspects of this game that point towards it being a "duck" . I am not willing to give Nordeus the benefit of the doubt anymore. Too many LOL results, too many coincidences.

@magic3: about leaving the seat down, it was to make a point. I leave it down always on purpose so there is no arguements or debate in the house....if I have to lift it to piss, she can she....it is only fair.

[Piemaster]

Im too lazy to look up the old posts, but suffice to say that there are a ton of posts by some ancients on this forum who have experienced things that almost prove the game is rigged. Funny how they rebooted the forum and all the old posts are gone...posts that complain about the pre-ordained results. There are other regulars on this forum that have been around long enough to remember those posts and I only remember this because they brought it up in the countless "conspiracy" threads.

So basically there is no evidence at all any more because it all got deleted. Same as all the stuff about the US government orchestrating the WTC attacks I assume. I described to you earlier in the thread how you could, very quickly and easily, confirm or refute your suspicions, so I guess the ball's in your court. Or you could just throw insubstantial accusations around I guess.

And this comment comes from a person who buys tokens and has nothing to worry about as nordeus favours all those who buy tokens over those who don't!!! LOLs

Written and liked by two people who know nothing about me but are pretending they do. Whatever, jokers.

The ironic thing is, just last week we had a thread where several people swore blind that Nordeus deliberately hurt the people who did buy tokens over those who didn't. It seems logical consistency is not a big priority among the tinfoil hat brigade.

[cracicot]

So basically there is no evidence at all any more because it all got deleted. Same as all the stuff about the US government orchestrating the WTC attacks I assume. I described to you earlier in the thread how you could, very quickly and easily, confirm or refute your suspicions, so I guess the ball's in your court. Or you could just throw insubstantial accusations around I guess.



Written and liked by two people who know nothing about me but are pretending they do. Whatever, jokers.

The ironic thing is, just last week we had a thread where several people swore blind that Nordeus deliberately hurt the people who did buy tokens over those who didn't. It seems logical consistency is not a big priority among the tinfoil hat brigade.

Believe me or not, I dont give a **** what you think about this game, you make you own decisions. I dont waste my time "converting" people, I just provide as much info as I can.

Lets not even get started about what I think about the WTC coverups. This is a game where the devs/management are shifty with a game engine that dishes out illogical results and utter crap frequently.

all that to say, the ball is not in my court, because I dont play. I just acquire info and make my own decisions. But facts are facts and there are several things in this game that sway me.

Now you know what it is like to be judged without having any info.

[Saransh Vatsa]

So basically there is no evidence at all any more because it all got deleted. Same as all the stuff about the US government orchestrating the WTC attacks I assume. I described to you earlier in the thread how you could, very quickly and easily, confirm or refute your suspicions, so I guess the ball's in your court. Or you could just throw insubstantial accusations around I guess.



Written and liked by two people who know nothing about me but are pretending they do. Whatever, jokers.

The ironic thing is, just last week we had a thread where several people swore blind that Nordeus deliberately hurt the people who did buy tokens over those who didn't. It seems logical consistency is not a big priority among the tinfoil hat brigade.

What I was saying was right but as Cracicot said, " I can't change people." Anyways, just to prove my point and be done with it, I will just place an example that those who buy loads of tokens have teams packed with scouts and legends and complete the league undefeated. I mean, whats fun in that??? Its like Barcelona with all its gr8 players have entered the league in which my school team plays!!! There is no competition as even Pep Guardiola or Alex Fergussion can't defeat teams like Barca, Madrid, ManU, etc using school teams. So all that the weaker teams manager can do is sit and see how badly he loses, just praying that his GD doesn't go into negatives. I am saying that THIS should change as I have experienced it!!! And even if my team which is 8-9 quality more than others lose, the teams of these token buyers never lose. The token buyers shud be placed in a different league and in a different server all together!!! This would cause low competition in the transfers markets for those managers with 35T budget. P.S I know more than u about this game, in reality or virtually. So think twice be4 u say anything!!!

[magic3]

she constantly leaves the toilet seat DOWN and I complain about it all the time?

and we just had a little glimpse of how it would be to be married to you