Wake up Nordeus!!!!!.....again

[Fonz Fauzi Bin Ridho]

many people here share the same dream for nordeus, and that is to get better. no problem with supplying feedbacks. developersll oftentimes use feedbacks from us users and a makeshift server to test out suggestions and bug reports. lets hope nordeusll do the same
id like to suggest we wait and see what happens in the coming months after they hired more people (it mightve been too long for some people but bear witb me as khris said). i probably wont be looking into this thread until some promised time arrives. im pretty sure by ages theyve got our feedback after seeing us band together with solutions and are trying to reinforce their company.
til then, may the force be with you, young nordeus, hmm

no im not a guy with any affiliations with nordeus, but what i am is some guy thats too optimistic and patient, im just hoping my contributions paid off

on a side note
im hoping nicknamesll be free though, id change my squad as followed
keeper; maneuer, buffoon
backs; gibson, vermin, murtle, kochy-kochy, jinkies
mids; fiberglass, rambo, willis, walnut, rusty
forwards; fernando torres II

[Ahmet Aygun]

I've been reading all these moans about the game and have decided to contribute my own thoughts.

First of all, I am now just finishing my 16th season in the game. YES, I've been frustrated at times, but that's life. In those 16 seasons, I've won 6 trophies (4 league, 2 CL), so not as many as some of the players even in lower levels. But I play for the enjoyment of it. Now I do buy a small amount of tokens each season, (usually around 60). But now to the topic. Of course there are problems with the game (what on-line game doesn't have them). Most of the significant faults can be got around by the players themselves and don't need the programmers to sort it.

FRIENDLIES: This seems to be the main issue. Sure, unwanted matches are a pain, but that can easily remedied by us ourselves. Only have friends who are of similar mind to us. If you get these matches that you don't want, simply unfriend the person (if in game), or contact the other person and tell them not to send these requests (if on FB). I have just under 100 in game friends on here, and I only get unwanted requests on average once every two seasons.

KICK-OFF TIMES: This can be a problem, but with a global game, time zones etc, will sometimes be troublesome, so I can't really see there is a simple solution.

MATCH RESULTS: OK, we've all lost to much lower quality teams, on more than a few occasions, but that is the nature of sport. Would the game be better if the stronger team always won? I doubt it. It would get boring. And incidentally, I can't remember on too many occasions, a player complaining that they didn't think it fair that they'd beaten a much stronger team, when they shouldn't have.

INJURIES: Now this issue seems a real problem. I have to agree with people who say there are too many, but there again, nobody can know for sure what sort of tackling our opponents are using, and also we can attract injuries ourselves by using the "hard tackling" setting.

STATS/RATINGS: Frankly I can't see any issue with these. Sure, they bare no resemblance to completed matches, but does it REALLY matter? In all the time I've been playing, there is probably only a handful of times that I've even bothered to read them.

NAME CHANGING: Now this is the part that really irritates me. Some people want this facility to be free. Why? The name of a player (or their shirt number), makes no difference to the game play. Changing a name or number is only cosmetic value, and if anyone is sad enough to want to change them, then why shouldn't they pay. I've had a striker and a winger wearing #1 before. So what?

Now for the only real problem I have with the game, ILLEGAL FORMATION. I don't think this should be applicable. If we want to play without a striker, or have just two defenders, that should be our right.

On the whole, I don't think this is a bad game, and for the most part, I am happy with it. Sorry this is a bit long, and I guess I'll just be shot down for my comments, but this is my opinion.

Rayco I just have to start by saying that this is not a thread about moaning. Here is my summary of 7 season: Almost nothing we wrote is about winning or loosing. If that is the case I shouldn't talk at all with all the cups I recieved. With that being said:

FRIENDLIES What we are asking is an option to reject. That is all, and that is how it is done IRL. It is so simple that we shouldn't even talk about it. We can reject a bid when it is on negotiatin list can't we? So there are something that a manager could reject in this game. It is not something new to this game. So we want to have same option about the friendlies. I know it is diffrent aspect than bidding, but I am showing the example to illustrate that it can and has been done in the game.

Kick Off Time Caricot explained it perfect. I can't add anything more.

MATCH RESULTS/MATCH ENGINE This is what bothers me most. Why do we have illegal formations in the game? Or why do we play football manager game at all. My reason is simple I want to create my best squad with transfers and training, but the enjoyment in these kind of games comes when you beat someone similiar to your strenght with the actions you take tactically. If I can't have response to my changes from the match engine; then what is there to watch a match? As I said before if someone wants to play without any wingers in offense and in full back, let them play. But my tactic with wingers supported by supporting backs should reward highly. In this game I get the possesion cosmetically. I see %80 possesion for my side, but when it comes to results, or shots nothing change. Because I believe this possesion is purelly cosmetic. Actually IRL no team plays with %20 possesion if they play without winger and backs. But they would give a lot of chances to opponent team if the oppenent plays from wings. If they can have realistic match engine and reflects the reality; I don't care with illegal formation. And no one actually would play with illegal formation since the results would be bad for them.

RATINGS/MATCH REPORT Since we can't actually watch the games the only way of judging our players performace is the stats. And the stats are so unrealistic; it doesn't reflect anything about the match. I wrote before I won a game 4-0 and my team got 72/110 and the opponent got 79/110. If you just look the ratings and guess the results; you would guess 0-1 or 0-2 for the opponent. And his defense and the gk got full of 8's as ratings. Now this has nothing to do with the match I played. On top of this we can't see any subbed player ratings on match report. Another side for judging your tactics and and team is the stats and tactics. We should be able to see stats and tactics breaken down as first half, second half and total. We can check the opponents first and second half tactics with regards to ours and stats, so we can develop or drop a tactic. Stats and tactics are there Nordeus just need to divide them for this implementation. Actually this is a cosmetic change, but this can give more insight for us.

INJURIES All said to this, but I want to see my opponents injured players for creating my next game tactic. I also want to see injured players on transfers. Spending 20 or more tokens to buy injured player is a pitty.

NAME CHANGING I just don't care at all since I am not into cosmetics in a manager game.

The game is a good substitute for people who don't have enough time for more complicated manager games like FM. But people like me who played Champ. Manager and Football Manager, this game should be improved vastly so that it could be more realistic and logical to be enjoyable. Other than these transfer market, red and green packs, morale boosters are also unrealistic, but those can be understandable.

This game is tested by the people like us and these are our feedbacks. Companies do actually pay for feedbacks. We actually pay to give our feedbacks, but it looks like no-one cares.

[jey2208]

Cat Harrison.....If Nordeus done their job there would be no need for the 'forum police'. I understand if your fedup but so am I. Im fed up with Nordeus having ripped me off and doing nothing to improve this game. Im fed up being fobbed off by Nordeus when I ask questions about supposed updates.

Do you think its acceptable for it to take over 2 years to change the friendly request system? Do you think it's acceptable to take over a year to change how many tokens it takes to change a players squad number? I could go on and on.

These kind if threads are Nordeus' fault not ours. As for the 'vent thread', all that is is a big thread so people at Nordeus can ignore all the complaints. If you don't want people complaining then get Nordeus to do their job properly.

At the end of the day this game is not totally free, I am(was) a paying customer and expect way better customer service when a company takes my money.


If your here to help then can you give us an answer on where we are with the friendly request system changes?

Hope this game will be improved a lot once their 24 open positions are fulfilled by the right persons..

[BigB79]

Hope this game will be improved a lot once their 24 open positions are fulfilled by the right persons..

Hopefully. By looks of the jobs available at Nordeus we were right. They don't actually have the people who can make these promised changes. I think T11 is too big for Nordeus.

[Raykco]

I think some people have misunderstood what I was trying to say in my main post. I'm the same as all others, and get frustrated with some of the things that the game throws up, but what I was trying to say, is that the game can be played and enjoyed by just not taking it too seriously.

My main point about the friendlies situation, is that I believe that the problem doesn't really lie with Nordeus. It is with your/our friends. Surely if these so-called friends showed respect, instead of just setting matches willy-nilly, then the programmers wouldn't need to make any changes.

On the point about Nordeus having that token sale last weekend, and that it was because fewer people were buying tokens, well I don't know what other games other people play, but at the same time that T11 had their token sale, the same thing was happening in at least 3 other Fb games, at the same time, so I think that may have been something to do with FaceBook.

[cracicot]

I think some people have misunderstood what I was trying to say in my main post. I'm the same as all others, and get frustrated with some of the things that the game throws up, but what I was trying to say, is that the game can be played and enjoyed by just not taking it too seriously.

My main point about the friendlies situation, is that I believe that the problem doesn't really lie with Nordeus. It is with your/our friends. Surely if these so-called friends showed respect, instead of just setting matches willy-nilly, then the programmers wouldn't need to make any changes.

On the point about Nordeus having that token sale last weekend, and that it was because fewer people were buying tokens, well I don't know what other games other people play, but at the same time that T11 had their token sale, the same thing was happening in at least 3 other Fb games, at the same time, so I think that may have been something to do with FaceBook.

Raykco, as long as you continue to say that it is up to individual people to stop friendlies, you will be in the minority. Think about having to ask thousands of people to stop rather than having a simple easy programmed solution. It is called prevention. Nordeus can prevent EVERY friendly from being unwanted, but they chose not to. They, like you, feel that people should be held accountable, which is just the wrong way to approach this issue. It is just a nightmare to ask everyone to be on their best behaviour and we know that a few bad apples will ruin it for everyone.

It is just unreasonable to expect EVERYONE to play nice. It is reasonable to expect Nordeus to program a fix for this. One is a hopeful fix, the other is a guaranteed fix. Which one do you think is most likely to be successful, because at the end of the day, that is what matters.

[The Red Baron]

Throwing something else into the mix.....and don't know if it would help......but is there another 'Ask the devs-live' on twitter like there was on 4 Mar this year.

Mind you.....i had a flick through the questions and replies from the devs and although i really enjoy T11,i have to say a lot of the improvements they indicated , havent actually been realised.

For instance :

Q. 'Will it be possible to watch our matches live....not only text....but like when you watch a game on tv ?'

A. 'There could be a nice surprise coming in the next couple of months'

Guess thats been shelved then.....suppose they did use the word 'could'

[Raykco]

Raykco, as long as you continue to say that it is up to individual people to stop friendlies, you will be in the minority. Think about having to ask thousands of people to stop rather than having a simple easy programmed solution. It is called prevention. Nordeus can prevent EVERY friendly from being unwanted, but they chose not to. They, like you, feel that people should be held accountable, which is just the wrong way to approach this issue. It is just a nightmare to ask everyone to be on their best behaviour and we know that a few bad apples will ruin it for everyone.

It is just unreasonable to expect EVERYONE to play nice. It is reasonable to expect Nordeus to program a fix for this. One is a hopeful fix, the other is a guaranteed fix. Which one do you think is most likely to be successful, because at the end of the day, that is what matters.

I understand what you are saying, and in an ideal world, there wouldn't be a problem. But with selective managing of a friend list, you don't get unwanted friendlies in the first place. Can I give a scenario that is similar, but not to do with T11. If you are on a social website and have friends on there. Now, one of them sends you an unwanted message that contains a virus. Who would you hold responsible, the person who sent it, or the website in question? I know this unwanted friendlies is a huge problem, but surely everyone should take responsibility, not just the game programmers. I realise we will never agree on this, but I'm just trying to take a balanced view.

[BigB79]

I understand what you are saying, and in an ideal world, there wouldn't be a problem. But with selective managing of a friend list, you don't get unwanted friendlies in the first place. Can I give a scenario that is similar, but not to do with T11. If you are on a social website and have friends on there. Now, one of them sends you an unwanted message that contains a virus. Who would you hold responsible, the person who sent it, or the website in question? I know this unwanted friendlies is a huge problem, but surely everyone should take responsibility, not just the game programmers. I realise we will never agree on this, but I'm just trying to take a balanced view.

The problem with your argument is that even Nordeus disagree with you. If you go to the Nordeus support site there is a page called 'feature request' where someone first brought this problem up. Nordeus agreed and marked it as planned, that was 2 years ago. It doesn't take 2 years to make this change.

In fact if you go on that page you will see a whole load of very simple requests to improve the game and that Nordeus have marked as planned and still haven't done.

[Ahmet Aygun]

I think some people have misunderstood what I was trying to say in my main post. I'm the same as all others, and get frustrated with some of the things that the game throws up, but what I was trying to say, is that the game can be played and enjoyed by just not taking it too seriously.

Rayco it is ok for 2 or 3 seasons not to take the game seriously. After the 3rd or mostly 4th season; you start to take the game serously. If you don't take a game seriosly; you would quit after couple months. However after couple months you should take the game serious to continue playing.

I understand what you are saying, and in an ideal world, there wouldn't be a problem. But with selective managing of a friend list, you don't get unwanted friendlies in the first place. Can I give a scenario that is similar, but not to do with T11. If you are on a social website and have friends on there. Now, one of them sends you an unwanted message that contains a virus. Who would you hold responsible, the person who sent it, or the website in question? I know this unwanted friendlies is a huge problem, but surely everyone should take responsibility, not just the game programmers. I realise we will never agree on this, but I'm just trying to take a balanced view.

The virus is not a good example; since most of the times viruses are sent without one's own will. This friendlies are intentionally and I am sure we all have as shole friends. They would actually make fun how they ruined your Champs. Final on friends gathering. Even if they don't make it intentionally; they would still ruin your next game. I wouldn't brake up friendship for a game. You are suggesting not to take the game seriously, but to brake up frienship?

I am still very surprised that we debate for a such a small feature. If we were to talk about match engine I would understand. But we are trying to symphatize for such a small feature. If Nordeus could deal with this; we might debate about more serious aspects, and I am willing to symphtaize about them. But for such a small change I can't be more understanding after waiting for 2 years.

I know I am in dreamland, but I just hope we can get over about this friendlies and talk about more serious changes.