Do any of you actually thing buying from the scout list is worth it? You have to pay the full market value and 50 tokens. 50 tokens alone can be swapped for a lot of cash.
Thoughts?
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Do any of you actually thing buying from the scout list is worth it? You have to pay the full market value and 50 tokens. 50 tokens alone can be swapped for a lot of cash.
Thoughts?
Cash alone doesnt buy quality players, but to buy the best players you have to have cash.
I buy a scout every season or two, depending on what I need to replace. They are worth it, depending on what type of scout you buy. Some are worth more than others. 22 or 23 yo scouts are the only ones you should ever buy and they should be as close to x4 or x9 Quality. Anything other than that and you are borderline wasting your money and tokens.
if you can find 5* players on your auction list, you can get some of them close to 6* and for much less tokens, but if its not the same money, then its usually not a fast trainer, which is what you want if you are going to pay big money and many tokens for.
SO for some, its hit or miss. It all depends on your scout list and transfer market.
Thanks pal.Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
Can I just ask what you mean when you say 'but if its not the same money, then its usually not a fast trainer' ???
Basically when you sort your TL by price, only the most expensive, close to the price of scout, is going to be super trainer.
So you mean the higher the players value, the more likely they are to train faster?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat Harrison
Exactly...thats one of the few things that actually work and make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by derbylad
I did wonder why my own home grown players were all worth more even though there quality is less. basically coz they with progress at a faster rate, which I have noticed to be fair. Are all home grown players through the academy like this then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischa Cali
Not all. The free academy player is a slow trainer so you should sell him immediately. The token player varies, but they are usually fast trainers.Quote:
Originally Posted by derbylad
Exactly. organize your list by price and you will find the most expensive players train the fastest. try to get them at 18/19 and you have a great team that will last a few seasons if you learn to tank the season properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by derbylad
Depends. I got so lucky that all my 18/19 5* became Rating ducks. Meaning if they reach a 7 i can be happy. Sure they train fast but whats the point in training them when they hardly ever perform according to their strength. I can only hope to find a stupid guy that buys them withouth checking their rating stats....Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
I tried everything to make them perform better...benched them a couple of games. Subbed in game or even let them start a couple of games..kept their moral at 100%...whatever i did they keep on performing on 5/6.
I had one good buy with a 18y ST who performs constant 8/9 with minor 7s in between. My GK gets a 5 no matter if he didn't get scored on for 5 games straight. I have no clue what i can do...
Sometimes young players perfome bad in first season.
GK only have good rating If they makes saves, whend they does not have nothing o do they have bad ratings, MCs also have a lot of bad ratings.
I have a ML/AML that most of the time gets 7, even one time that he got 3 goals, on another score 4 goals, got a 8 and wasent MOM.
I stoped looking at ratings, they simple do not make sense.
Ratings are misleading. I dont believe in any of the numbers given anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischa Cali
problem is my other GK gets 7 and 8 without making saves :) so still i dont really believe that it matters actuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dman2pt
Well i have only one player that actually has a score according to his ratings. The mentioned ST made 2nd in Goals 1st in assist by far (more than double to 2nd) and 3rd in league ranking average.Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
Coincidence
can you elaborate on that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Duffy
But surely a player with a higher quality rating will be worth more? An if he is younger? or do you mean based on players being the same age and quality to sort by their value?Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
you go by age. 18yo will be the most expensive. IF you see a 19yo more expensive than the best 18yo on your list, then you have a problem and should not buy that 18yo. I do believe there is a thread with the ages of the most expensive 18yo for each level. Too lazy to provide it, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by derbylad
Anyone know where this tread is on the ages?Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
Not so sure about that. I had a player who always got 5s and 6s. It turned out in the matches I played him, I scored less goals than average. Same about a defender I had, I conceded more goals when he got ratings of 5 and 6 instead of 7. Not that 1 player can always affect a match but I do think ratings have some sort of meaning...Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
My last experience, is that I wasted 18 tokens for a young player MC from the academy, of 4 stars... too I buy a player of 50 tokens of the scout list, a MC... I proved the younger, and if you see the page of my team.. I talked about it, because I was surprised with my young players... usually I have they as a 2nd option, but.. I think that... I have to have a respect for the people made in home LOL really I see that the value is not all... you can pay 50 tokens for a guy that goes to the field and is 90' minutes enjoying his self in the mirror... or, yeah.. I have Shevchenko..ST. of Hesselink..ST. Brighi.. an MC... and all they works ever. usually, is that, when a player is programmed to work well, works well. If not... nope nope... and don't pray for a miracle...-.-'
At now I have to sell a player to do the contract of the man that costs 50 tokens... and.. is that.. I don't know what will he/she do...
Even if the 19 y/o is a quality of say 29 and the 18 y/o is 19, surely the 18y/o wouldn't be worth more then even if he is a faster trainer? or are you saying that the quality doesn't demand the value?Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
A) I've found that the most expensive players are not necessarily the fastest trainers. More expensive players are more likely to be faster trainers, but I've had a couple who were the most expensive on my team who were absolute crap trainers. On the other hand, cheap players are most likely poor trainers, although once in awhile you find a gem.
B) Based on my experience and what I've read (I believe it was July 4 who did a lot of research on the subject) scouts are always fast trainers. The catch is that a 24yo fast trainer trains about equally to a moderate trainer at 18yo. (I'm generalizing here, the exact relationship may vary somewhat.) I've only bought a few scouts though, so my experience with them IS limited. I am buying more now than I'd like, simply because I can't find quality players at some positions (especially AM*s )otherwise.
C) I only buy x4 or x9 5 star players at auction. i.e. those players within 1 skill point of being scout level. I can't understand why anyone would buy a 3 or 4 star player. I've had very good luck at getting players at auction, but that's a subject unto itself.
D) I've had good luck getting players via negotiation as well. Unfortunately, 99% of the offers out there are by idiots, (offering minimum cash + 0 tokens) so I think most players simply ignore negotiation offers. My strategy with this is quite simple: I look for teams 2-3 levels or more higher than I am (click make offer and you can then access the owner's information), and players who are benchwarmers for them (e.g. if a team two levels higher than me has a squad of 7 star players relative to me, that 5 star player (relative to me) is 3 star player to them that they are probably willing to part with.) I then make an offer high enough to give them 4 or 5 tokens. So, for 17-18 tokens, I get a player just shy of being a scout. Still somewhat expensive, but about 75% of these acqusitions have been fast or above average trainers for me.
E) I've never paid for an Academy player. Even the very fastest training 4* player would be my worst player, riding the bench, for 2 or 3 seasons, and that's a serious waste of 1/2 a season's worth of tokens.
My experience.
a. Scout : I always buy two or there scout in each season. I buy scout 22 year old , quality of scout near 7 star and especially " max value". What " max value " mean ? It's mean : " max value " of player > Money change from token in " Bank investment "- example : in level 14, Bank investment from 25 token is 58M so " max value " of scout will more than 58M. If value of scout is " max value ",quality of scout will increases faster when training.
b. Auction : of course in each season we must buy some young player. I just buy 18 year old player have quality near 6 star and have " max value ", max value of 18 year old player = Yx35:25, with Y : Bank investment from 25 token.
That is my experience, hope you can understand what thing I say and hope will help you when playing Top Eleven :)