What is an assist?

Simple answer, right?

So when my player gets passed the ball on a counter attack who then goes on to score, no assist is given. That doesn't make any sense. If a long ball is played to one of my players who ends up scoring, the player who makes the pass to said player should be given the assist. Did a ghost pass the ball or did the grass pass the ball?

By definition...
"In the FIFA Technical Study Group's report on the 1986 World Cup, the authors calculated for the first time unofficial statistics for assists, developing the following criteria:

1. An assist was awarded to the player who had given the last pass to the goalscorer.
2. In addition, also the last but two holder of the ball could get an assist provided that his action had decisive importance for the goal
3. After goals from rebounds those players were awarded an assist who had shot on target.
4. After goals scored on penalty or by a directly converted free-kick the fouled player received a point.
5. In case that the goalscorer had laid on the goal for himself (dribble, solo run), no assists were awarded.
6. No assists were awarded, either, if the goalscorer took advantage of a missed pass by an opponent."

So a fundamental part of football is missing from this game. Going by definition 1, a player who passes the ball to another player should get an assist, you get that for normal passes so why is this different for a counter attack? Still the same principle. It is much different when a player creates the goal himself from a counter attack (definition 5), but when a pass is made then an assist should be given.

It's a small but simple mistake and yes it does matter because it just adds to the logic errors of this game.

Thoughts.

really don't understand. sorry i'm noob in english

Maybe becoz usually the player who recieves the ball skips past a couple of players and then scores so the goal is counted as a single run. But this is just my guess.
This is a damn important and interesting point u have brought up, dv8r. I would like this thread studied as long as a good materialistic debate has not been completed on this matter. NY mod here, please do it if u feel I this right, temporarily.

P.S When I saw the name of the post, I thought it is some newbie so came here with an air of importance to show off my knowlledge( just kidding), only to find that the OP is dv8r LOLs. So I knew this is no normal basic question so had to read it full :p

In this case i am full agree with you, this game can be better with little and logical changes, and this case is one.

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Originally Posted by Saransh Vatsa

Maybe becoz usually the player who recieves the ball skips past a couple of players and then scores so the goal is counted as a single run. But this is just my guess.
This is a damn important and interesting point u have brought up, dv8r. I would like this thread studied as long as a good materialistic debate has not been completed on this matter. NY mod here, please do it if u feel I this right, temporarily.

P.S When I saw the name of the post, I thought it is some newbie so came here with an air of importance to show off my knowlledge( just kidding), only to find that the OP is dv8r LOLs. So I knew this is no normal basic question so had to read it full :p

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I don't mind debates as long as they don't get out of hand.

As for your first point, regardless of how many players the player skips past, a pass is still made to the player and therefore it is not classed as a solo goal.

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Originally Posted by dv8r

I don't mind debates as long as they don't get out of hand.

As for your first point, regardless of how many players the player skips past, a pass is still made to the player and therefore it is not classed as a solo goal.

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is it mean you have a solo goal only if you get ball from opponents

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Originally Posted by tongly45

is it mean you have a solo goal only if you get ball from opponents

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Basically, at the moment when you make a counter attack and you get the message "long ball forward to [playername]" and the player scores, no assist is given. This does not comply with basic assist rules because a pass was made before the goal was scored, directly leading to the goal.

I don't think that any pass to a goal scorer could be given as an assist, it does all depend on how much the goal scorer has to do with the ball between receiving it and putting it in the net. If the goal scorer receives the ball and then runs with it, it's a solo goal not an assisted goal, but if pass is made and the scorer, say, volleys or heads in, that pass then must be an assisted goal.

A counter attack suggests the ball is won and passed forward from the teams own half and I can't see how every pass or long ball forward can be classed as an assist, if the goal scorer has more to do with the ball before he scores.

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Originally Posted by TypTex

I don't think that any pass to a goal scorer could be given as an assist, it does all depend on how much the goal scorer has to do with the ball between receiving it and putting it in the net. If the goal scorer receives the ball and then runs with it, it's a solo goal not an assisted goal, but if pass is made and the scorer, say, volleys or heads in, that pass then must be an assisted goal.

A counter attack suggests the ball is won and passed forward from the teams own half and I can't see how every pass or long ball forward can be classed as an assist, if the goal scorer has more to do with the ball before he scores.

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If I play a long ball to another team mate who runs with it and scores, that is still an assist because the player did not create the goal himself. I've played fantasy football games, I've watched goals like this scored in real life Champions League and the assist is given to the player who provides the pass for the goal. The basic definition is "an assist is a contribution by a player which helps to score a goal." . Based on the commentary, the player passing the ball is helping to score the goal, so therefore it's an assist.

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Originally Posted by dv8r

If I play a long ball to another team mate who runs with it and scores, that is still an assist because the player did not create the goal himself. I've played fantasy football games, I've watched goals like this scored in real life Champions League and the assist is given to the player who provides the pass for the goal. The basic definition is "an assist is a contribution by a player which helps to score a goal." . Based on the commentary, the player passing the ball is helping to score the goal, so therefore it's an assist.

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The definition of what is and what isn't an assist is a very grey area, simply because they don't exist in the official rules of the game.
Different competitions have different ideas of what an assist is and from what i've just been reading there isn't any right or wrong.
The wiki page for an assist says "an assist is a contribution by a player which helps to score a goal." so if this is true your arguement, dv8r, is correct.( I just feel an assist needs to be more directly relating to the ball going into the net).

The wiki page also says a maximum of two players can be awarded an assist, now that has got me, can't think of any example where this could happen.

Good interesting thread, with as far as I can see no right or wrong answer.

if im not mistaken theres a time limit on assists. im going with some 10 second rule or something
sure i dont play professional football, but i do play for fun, and have played in turnies here and there

This isn't ice hockey.. Only there is a maximum of one assist.. Especially in this game. I have never heard of any ten second rule thing :/

alright, ill just make a random example
what if the keeper throws it to the LB (that should count as a pass), LB jizzes pass everyone and scores (lets say it took 30 seconds). does the keeper get an assist?
RL example, i didnt watch the game so enlighten me. a keeper threw it to ronaldinho. ronaldinho jiizzes pass people and shoots from outside the box (that took around 10 seconds right?). did the keeper get an assist?

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Originally Posted by littledude072

alright, ill just make a random example
what if the keeper throws it to the LB (that should count as a pass), LB jizzes pass everyone and scores (lets say it took 30 seconds). does the keeper get an assist?
RL example, i didnt watch the game so enlighten me. a keeper threw it to ronaldinho. ronaldinho jiizzes pass people and shoots from outside the box (that took around 10 seconds right?). did the keeper get an assist?

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In this situation, you need to consider the 2nd condition:

2. In addition, also the last but two holder of the ball could get an assist provided that his action had decisive importance for the goal

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Originally Posted by littledude072

alright, ill just make a random example
what if the keeper throws it to the LB (that should count as a pass), LB jizzes pass everyone and scores (lets say it took 30 seconds). does the keeper get an assist?
RL example, i didnt watch the game so enlighten me. a keeper threw it to ronaldinho. ronaldinho jiizzes pass people and shoots from outside the box (that took around 10 seconds right?). did the keeper get an assist?

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Technically he should get the assist because he set up the goal. It doesn't matter how far the ball travelled, if the keeper made the pass that directly lead to the goal then it is classed as an assist. GKs have gotten assists before for long throws where the receiving player ended up scoring.

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Originally Posted by littledude072

alright, ill just make a random example
what if the keeper throws it to the LB (that should count as a pass), LB jizzes pass everyone and scores (lets say it took 30 seconds). does the keeper get an assist?
RL example, i didnt watch the game so enlighten me. a keeper threw it to ronaldinho. ronaldinho jiizzes pass people and shoots from outside the box (that took around 10 seconds right?). did the keeper get an assist?

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NO and NO

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Originally Posted by dv8r

Technically he should get the assist because he set up the goal. It doesn't matter how far the ball travelled, if the keeper made the pass that directly lead to the goal then it is classed as an assist. GKs have gotten assists before for long throws where the receiving player ended up scoring.

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I think it does matter how the ball travels. If the GK make a long kick and somehow the ball comes to whoever in a dangerous position to the opponent, creating a clear opportunity to score, then the GK shall be awarded an assist. However, it he just make a normal short pass to one of the defender who just run from the team's own half, pass every single player of the rival and score, it would be considered as solo by him.

you contradicted yourself huliano. you replied to my post saying they should get assists, then you replied to dv8r saying they shouldnt. my example of the LB was just that, a short pass, LB takes it all over the park to score

thats why im confused. in my eyes both should be considered as assist regardless of distance/time it took to score

i ask because many matches often dont consider them as assists, especially during quick counters where the receiver runs over halfway to score
there are also times when a keeper blocks the shot, falls to another player and scores, but it wasnt counted as an assist. that counts as a rebound right, or does it have to be off the bar?

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Originally Posted by littledude072

you contradicted yourself huliano. you replied to my post saying they should get assists, then you replied to dv8r saying they shouldnt. my example of the LB was just that, a short pass, LB takes it all over the park to score

thats why im confused. in my eyes both should be considered as assist regardless of distance/time it took to score

i ask because many matches often dont consider them as assists, especially during quick counters where the receiver runs over halfway to score
there are also times when a keeper blocks the shot, falls to another player and scores, but it wasnt counted as an assist. that counts as a rebound right, or does it have to be off the bar?

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In the Premier League, if Player A shoots and the shot is saved but Player B scores from the follow up then Player A gets the assist.

In this case we are talking about a player who receives a long ball, indicating that it's somewhere near the middle of the pitch. Because how can a long ball be played to your own penalty area? So this player gets the ball and scores with it, it may be classed as a solo go but he did not create it himself. The player who played the long ball to him should get the assist.

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Originally Posted by littledude072

you contradicted yourself huliano. you replied to my post saying they should get assists, then you replied to dv8r saying they shouldnt. my example of the LB was just that, a short pass, LB takes it all over the park to score

thats why im confused. in my eyes both should be considered as assist regardless of distance/time it took to score

i ask because many matches often dont consider them as assists, especially during quick counters where the receiver runs over halfway to score
there are also times when a keeper blocks the shot, falls to another player and scores, but it wasnt counted as an assist. that counts as a rebound right, or does it have to be off the bar?

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I did not say they would get assists ... Do you see the capitalized phrase DECISIVE IMPORTANCE? If it's just a normal pass to your LB and he runs by himself to score, then it is not considered a decisively important pass because your LB is the one that actually does all the work of dribbling and scoring.

In another reply, I said that if it is a long kick from GK and the goal comes to any of our players in dangerous, exploitable, and advantageous position making it easier to create an opportunity to score, then the GK would be likely awarded an assist.

Anw, it is all up to the judgement of the ref on whether or not that pass is decisively important.

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Originally Posted by HULIANO

Anw, it is all up to the judgement of the ref on whether or not that pass is decisively important.

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Referees have no interest at all in assists as they are not an official part of the game.

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Originally Posted by HULIANO

I did not say they would get assists ... Do you see the capitalized phrase DECISIVE IMPORTANCE? If it's just a normal pass to your LB and he runs by himself to score, then it is not considered a decisively important pass because your LB is the one that actually does all the work of dribbling and scoring.

In another reply, I said that if it is a long kick from GK and the goal comes to any of our players in dangerous, exploitable, and advantageous position making it easier to create an opportunity to score, then the GK would be likely awarded an assist.

Anw, it is all up to the judgement of the ref on whether or not that pass is decisively important.

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The referee doesn't decide who is awarded the assist. That goes down to association rules and most of them follow FIFA standards.

@TypTex & dv8r: thank you, it is good to know. So when it is shown on the real-life match that some player provides the assist, who makes that decision if the situation is kinda unclear? I thought it would be the refs.

I think, the game is just a game, can't be the same 100% fact, must have little virtual in it! :)

Really!! all these comments!? .. What is an assist? ------- Its when a player passes the ball to the scorer of the goal. Done thread complete.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Lazarou

Really!! all these comments!? .. What is an assist? ------- Its when a player passes the ball to the scorer of the goal. Done thread complete.

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Haha, maybe read the entire OP?

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Lazarou

Really!! all these comments!? .. What is an assist? ------- Its when a player passes the ball to the scorer of the goal. Done thread complete.

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Really!! Read the thread. Thread NOT complete.

#cantreadasimpletitleFAIL

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Lazarou

Really!! all these comments!? .. What is an assist? ------- Its when a player passes the ball to the scorer of the goal. Done thread complete.

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Wow man!!! Hey everyone, he is a genius!!!!!
DUDE, U SHOULD HAVE READ THE ENTIRE OO AND THE OTHER COMMENTS:p

My take on this game is assists just don't add up to the total number of goals scored.

Of course not every goal is assisted, like interceptions for example. BUT the long ball forward thing needs to sorted out.

I'm not too concerned about it. Assists in my view are only decisive final passes, even if that may conflict with the idea/definition that any last pass to a goal scorer is considered an assist. You have to work and earn an assist in my opinion, not just be the last person who gave the ball to someone who did something amazing with it.

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Originally Posted by HULIANO

@TypTex & dv8r: thank you, it is good to know. So when it is shown on the real-life match that some player provides the assist, who makes that decision if the situation is kinda unclear? I thought it would be the refs.

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Another interesting question and I've no idea the answer to this.

The records and statistics for professional games in the UK are kept by the Press Association, and I guess it is these records the are used by all the fantasy football games and statistical reports that are published after matches over here, but who actually decides what is and what isn't an assist I don't know.
I guess the PA must have approved record takers, who work to a certain criteria, at each match.
But it has nothing to do with the referee ))

There is something called the Dubious Goals Panel.

They decide on goals where the assist is uncertain. Sometimes even own goals are reviewed there too, to determine if it was an own goal or not.

Since we effectively operate in a vacuum, does it matter?
We can't look back even at past tables unless we were able to login between the time of the last match and the end of the last day and save a screenshot.
We can't really compare player performance without jumping through a bunch of hoops.
There's no HISTORY for our squads unless we do it on our own, and it's a pain in the ass to do that becuase the interface is so klutzy.