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[Saransh Vatsa]

Didn't Manchester United thrash Bayer Leverkusen 0-5? Probably one of the top 4 teams in Germany, behind only Borrusia Dortmund and Bayern Munich. Then draw with Spurs, lose to Everton 0-1 then get beat by Newcastle 0-1, then beat Shakhtar Donetsk.

Sure Everton are a solid top 6 team in England, as are Spurs ( Not on current form but o well ) But last seasons Champions league was an all german final, which would lead to believe that perhaps the better german clubs, are the best in the world. So if Man U can beat the 3rd best team in Germany, which based on evidence last season is home to the top 2 clubs in the world. Then surely they should beat Newcastle / Everton and Spurs.

Regardless of the manager change that occurred at Man U. The fact is upsets happen, one team just doesn't show up the other does. Arsenal get hammered by Villa. Then go on to top the BPL. Upsets happen, if you managed to go 26-0-0 or heck even any season unbeaten you should be proud. You can put yourselves in same royalty as the Arsenal Invincible's.


And about possession Crystal Palace 27% Everton 73% 9 shots vs 15 shots. While I support Everton, I firmly believe Palace deserved to win that game. Yet it was 0-0. Possession doesn't matter, its what you do with it that matters.

For the ManU point, it did happen. But once this season. For what happened to me, happens to everyone every 2nd day. I am not complaining about losing to weaker teams, her, but the way people lose and the number of times they lose is unbelievably impractical. And please since u answered this cvonvincingly, can u please answer that part of the question which I asked Rayco, did any team losing have 70% possession?????
And all the points people have this season to support the weaker teams winning is related to ManU. How many other teams are getting trolled??? And how many outside EPL????

[4am]

And please since u answered this cvonvincingly, can u please answer that part of the question which I asked Rayco, did any team losing have 70% possession?????

Tottenham, for the first hour of their 2-1 defeat at home to West Ham United in the Capital One Cup last night enjoyed an average of 73 per cent possession. Final stat was something like 63-37 in their favour.

[SlickZ]

For the ManU point, it did happen. But once this season. For what happened to me, happens to everyone every 2nd day. I am not complaining about losing to weaker teams, her, but the way people lose and the number of times they lose is unbelievably impractical. And please since u answered this cvonvincingly, can u please answer that part of the question which I asked Rayco, did any team losing have 70% possession?????
And all the points people have this season to support the weaker teams winning is related to ManU. How many other teams are getting trolled??? And how many outside EPL????

I gave you an example of Crystal Palace vs Everton 27% vs 73%. So yes troll results do happen when you get superior possession. And look at the German league atm. Dortmund loosing to much weaker opponents.

To be honest just because Bayern and Dortmund made the champions league final doesn't mean the rest of german football teams are the best in the world. It's like take Barcelona and Real Madrid out of spanish football and what do you left? Even take Rangers and Celtic out of Scottish football and Scottish football would be like the welsh or irish leagues.

Thats what makes the EPL and to a lesser extent serie A such competitive leagues, no club has totally out grown the league.

Bayern, Dortmund, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Rangers and Celtic have all carried the league they are in and if they left their leagues would be a shadow of what they are.

In reply, saying that is not very accurate. Bayer Leverkusen are 3rd in the Bundesliga and a lot of people would agree they are a good solid team. Athletic Madrid? Your logic hints they are redundant, when in fact they are probably on par with the best teams in the world at the moment.

The Premier League isn't the most competitive, its just the best teams in the league are more inconsistent than their counterparts in other leagues. Please do not mix that up. If Chelsea were as consistent as Barca / Bayern / Roma / Juve / Real. I can assure you they would win the title every single season if people Like Man U / City / Arsenal were as inconsistent as they are now.

The Premier League is a prime example of Top Eleven logic. You can have the best team in your league, but inconsistency will cost you.

[TypTex]

I gave you an example of Crystal Palace vs Everton 27% vs 73%. So yes troll results do happen when you get superior possession.

There was nothing "troll" about that result. Everton simply didn't have enough up top to break down a very well organised Palace defense. Lukaku had an off day, Baines set pieces weren't up to much, and other players couldn't put their chances away, our goalkeeper played a big part in that too. Palace very nearly won it on the counter, although we couldn't score either at that point in the season.

Yes we played like an away team and were happy to concede a lot of the midfield possession, after all we are a much weaker team than Everton, but the tactic almost worked and we had a chance or two to win it. End of the match we celebrated like we won the match, not cause we didn't want to win it, but cause we'd seen our team put in a fantastic battling competitive performance that was worthy of the premiership, and after the few weeks we'd been through we deserved to celebrate that.


The 4 games after the Everton game, Palace only conceded 1 goal, pretty much proving that Everton not scoring against us was not a "Troll / freak" result. But all down to us becoming more used to life in the premiership and being more well organised and competitive in the league. We are still very much favourites to go back down. But we will fight and be competitive til the end of the season. It will not just be Everton that fail to take 3 points away from Selhurst Park this season.

[SlickZ]

There was nothing "troll" about that result. Everton simply didn't have enough up top to break down a very well organised Palace defense. Lukaku had an off day, Baines set pieces weren't up to much, and other players couldn't put their chances away, our goalkeeper played a big part in that too. Palace very nearly won it on the counter, although we couldn't score either at that point in the season.

Yes we played like an away team and were happy to concede a lot of the midfield possession, after all we are a much weaker team than Everton, but the tactic almost worked and we had a chance or two to win it. End of the match we celebrated like we won the match, not cause we didn't want to win it, but cause we'd seen our team put in a fantastic battling competitive performance that was worthy of the premiership, and after the few weeks we'd been through we deserved to celebrate that.


The 4 games after the Everton game, Palace only conceded 1 goal, pretty much proving that Everton not scoring against us was not a "Troll / freak" result. But all down to us becoming more used to life in the premiership and being more well organised and competitive in the league. We are still very much favourites to go back down. But we will fight and be competitive til the end of the season. It will not just be Everton that fail to take 3 points away from Selhurst Park this season.

If you read my earlier post, i admitted im an Everton fan, and openly admitted Palace deserved their 1 point, probably deserved the win if im honest. I gave him a prime example of possession. He said troll results dont happen when you have 70+ possession, Palace are lets be honest one of the smaller clubs in the prem, they don't have any real quality and are bookmakers favorites to go down. Yet they managed to draw with an Everton team who had over 70% possession and who finish in top 7 yearly.

Its not about possession its about what you do with it.

But if your an outsider looking in. Then it appears from stats a troll result


* I don't think its you guys becoming more used to the prem, purely the manager change, whenever a new man comes in, the team in question have a influx of better results but after 15 games, they are back to where they started, short term increase? Yes, long term? No.

[TypTex]

Palace are lets be honest one of the smaller clubs in the prem, they don't have any real quality and are bookmakers favorites to go down.

* I don't think its you guys becoming more used to the prem, purely the manager change, whenever a new man comes in, the team in question have a influx of better results but after 15 games, they are back to where they started, short term increase? Yes, long term? No.

The arrogance of some premiership supporters is astounding. Look inwards to your own teams faults before you start slating other teams.

Your sort of talk is a disgrace with nothing to back it up.

No real quality indeed.

Wake up and smell the coffee fella and keep your unknowledgeable bull**** about other clubs to yourself.

[SlickZ]

The arrogance of some premiership supporters is astounding. Look inwards to your own teams faults before you start slating other teams.

Your sort of talk is a disgrace with nothing to back it up.

No real quality indeed.

Wake up and smell the coffee fella and keep your unknowledgeable bull**** about other clubs to yourself.

UnKnowledgeable? What I said was fact, you are denying bookmakers don't have palace favorites to go down? You even said that yourself.
Arrogance? I openly admitted Palace deserved their point and even probably the 3 points, arrogance would me saying Palace are pure garbage and didn't deserve a point to which I said neither.

Own team faults? Trust me for Everton I could name so many faults but to state a few : Lack of desire to defeat midtable teams yet desire to play better vs top 5, Lack of ability to make their passes count, in a lot of games they pass for the sake of passing, small squad we don't have anybody on the bench who could come on and make an instant impact, two of our best players this season are loan signings, what are we going to do when they leave? Lack of willingness, whenever we score i always feel in the next 5 minutes the opponent could quite easily go and score a goal, lack of awareness from some players, they play the wrong ball too many times, lack of ability, I like Coleman as a left back, but for an example take the arsenal game, i fail to recall one time when he got a chance to cross did it ever beat the first man. It happened in the Swansea game, far too many times do we get to a good position and fail to cross past the first man.

I could go on but I won't. I accept my clubs many flaws, but it seems you are unable to, Palace are a small side, with a small budget, and will probably go down ( I hope not since me and a couple work colleagues have a bet on the top 5 and bottom 3 each year and Palace aren't in my bottom 3 )

So before you make accusations don't. And the short term improvement is accurate. Look at the stats, a lot of clubs change their manager and at first the results improve over certain games, but then that improvement disappears. You say you conceded so few in so many games, then Newcastle beat you comfortably and from that game it looked like the old Palace again.

But from how you reacted im assuming you have no logic or common sense, so enjoy going back to the championship.

[TypTex]

UnKnowledgeable? What I said was fact, you are denying bookmakers don't have palace favorites to go down? You even said that yourself.
Arrogance? I openly admitted Palace deserved their point and even probably the 3 points, arrogance would me saying Palace are pure garbage and didn't deserve a point to which I said neither.

But from how you reacted im assuming you have no logic or common sense, so enjoy going back to the championship.

Yes i'm calling you an unknowledgeable and arrogant.

When you say another team has no real quality players you aren't just trying to insult the other team but you are also insulting the players and the players countries of origin.

You want to go round insulting other clubs piss off back to your own club forum boards where you can spout as much crap about other clubs as you like and be safe in the knowledge you are around your own kind. When you come on mixed supporter forums you do NOT slag off other clubs.

Try being polite. YOU are letting down not just yourself but your club as well.

Palace are not a top club, never will be, but to say we have no quality players is just a complete disgrace.

You have let yourself and your club down with your small minded, unknowledgeable views.

Shame on you.

[Saransh Vatsa]

If you read my earlier post, i admitted im an Everton fan, and openly admitted Palace deserved their 1 point, probably deserved the win if im honest. I gave him a prime example of possession. He said troll results dont happen when you have 70+ possession, Palace are lets be honest one of the smaller clubs in the prem, they don't have any real quality and are bookmakers favorites to go down. Yet they managed to draw with an Everton team who had over 70% possession and who finish in top 7 yearly.

Its not about possession its about what you do with it.

But if your an outsider looking in. Then it appears from stats a troll result


* I don't think its you guys becoming more used to the prem, purely the manager change, whenever a new man comes in, the team in question have a influx of better results but after 15 games, they are back to where they started, short term increase? Yes, long term? No.

Teams draw when they have 70% possession. U proved. A rare incident but it did happen. But now tell when in the history of football did a team with 70% possession LOSE 3-0????????? For God's sake that has never happened!!!!!! Never!!!!!!
I rest my case!!!!!!

[SlickZ]

Teams draw when they have 70% possession. U proved. A rare incident but it did happen. But now tell when in the history of football did a team with 70% possession LOSE 3-0????????? For God's sake that has never happened!!!!!! Never!!!!!!
I rest my case!!!!!!

Palace could of won that game 3-0 had they had more composure in front of goal. Its very simple your side passed and dominated the game and failed to take their chances, the other team took their chances. Please stop acting like this is so bad. Shocks happen, you think im happy being beat 2-4 at home when I have 17 shots on target and 2 goals scored? No i am not, my team didn't deserve the win because we couldn't score.

If you dont like these results i have two suggestions

Quit Top Eleven or Accept results happen like they do in real football move on and focus on winning your next game.