How did I lose 6-1?!!!!!

I lost a Champions League yesterday 6-1 but I had the better team, I was at home, I had more possession and only 1 of my players a rating of 6 the rest got a 7 with one even getting an 8!!!!! His team all got ratings of 7 except two who got an 8 and 9.How the hell can my keeper and defenders get 7's when they lost 6 goals?!!!!

freak results happen but there was absolutely nothing to suggest a 6-1 result. According to the player ratings my players didn't play badly, his team were not amazing.

In my opinion its just another indication that this game is a pile of crap and that tactics, player ratings and pretty much everything in this game count for nothing.

And before people start moaning that im only venting because I lost 6-1 that is not the case. I don't mind if lose but there was nothing in the game that I should have lost 6-1 apart from the fact that this game is stupid.

there really is no need to start a new thread every time you lose :) http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...post-here.html

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Originally Posted by Marc Symons

there really is no need to start a new thread every time you lo:) http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...post-here.html

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I start a new thread everytime I lose, really? Show me?

This isn't even about the result, it's about how this game makes absolutely no sense.

You can use the thread which Marc linked but post some pictures too so we can understand better.

Sometimes I have results like this too, 3 or 4 seasons ago in cup I lost with 5-1 vs 4 stars team and I had 2+ stars over him...

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Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin

You can use the thread which Marc linked but post some pictures too so we can understand better.

Sometimes I have results like this too, 3 or 4 seasons ago in cup I lost with 5-1 vs 4 stars team and I had 2+ stars over him...

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Sorry im on my phone and can't seem to get my pictures on here.

The problem I have isn't about losing to a weaker team, I know these things happen in football. My problem is according to my players match ratings my team played well, his team weren't outstanding, I had more possession, was the home team and was the better team. If all my players got match ratings of 4,5 and 6, which I would expect if my team lost 6-1at home, and his team all had 8 and 9's then I wouldn't be on here complaining but there is nothing anywhere that would suggest I should have lost 6-1!!! It's a joke!!!

Oh and I suppose I should add that my team is 91.2 and his is 81.4!!!!

My observation is that match ratings does not reflect how a team played, but how much the player worked in his position.
A low rating, to me means either he was outplayed or he did not contributed and vice versa.
A high rating does not mean a team played well, but that they worked on the field.

The next option is to look at formation and tactics


But yes...this may count for nothing???

maybe he play countertactics to your defender tactics
like offside or man marking ...etc

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Originally Posted by DiZZee

My observatison is that match ratings does not reflect how a team played, but how much the player worked in his position.
A low rating, to me means either he was outplayed or he did not contributed and vice versa.
A high rating does not mean a team played well, but that they worked on the field.

The next option is to look at formation and tactics


But yes...this may count for nothing???

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I played 4-4-2 he used 4-3W-1-1. As for tactics itayfranko had already shown that formations count for nothing on another thread a few weeks ago.

If your theory on match ratings Is correct then losing 6-1 you'd think alot of my players were outplayed but my GK and 4 defenders all got a 7 I would expect them to be getting 5's.

Freak results happen but to lose 6-1 at home to a team nearly 10* worse than me?

just cause a player has a better overall squad % it does not mean that they are automatically going to win every game they play.

People need to stop crying and having temper tantrums cause they lost and start working out how they are going to make their team better and more able to compete to win for future games.

I scored 7 goals in a League match half an hour ago and my opponent GK got a rating of 7!!!????? Now how about that!!!!:p:)

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Originally Posted by Saransh Vatsa

I scored 7 goals in a League match half an hour ago and my opponent GK got a rating of 7!!!????? Now how about that!!!!:p:)

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maybe he did his best but the problem with all team

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Originally Posted by TypTex

just cause a player has a better overall squad % it does not mean that they are automatically going to win every game they play.

People need to stop crying and having temper tantrums cause they lost and start working out how they are going to make their team better and more able to compete to win for future games.

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Did you actually read my original post or any of other posts I put in?

How many times do I need to say my complaint was more than just about losing to a weaker team before stop trying to be smart and cry about people complaining about flaws in this game?

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Originally Posted by Sully

Did you actually read my original post or any of other posts I put in?

How many times do I need to say my complaint was more than just about losing to a weaker team before stop trying to be smart and cry about people complaining about flaws in this game?

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You're just crying cause you lost, cause you got thrashed, cause the other team put six past you. You're trying to blame anything other than your team. Just take the loss and try and come back stronger.

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Originally Posted by TypTex

You're just crying cause you lost, cause you got thrashed, cause the other team put six past you. You're trying to blame anything other than your team. Just take the loss and try and come back stronger.

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Honestly did you even read my posts?!

Blame my team? How can I blame them when 9 of them got a match rating 7 one player got a 6 and one got an 8? And this to a team that is nearly 10* worse than me?! If my players got 4's and 5's then fair enough but they didn't, they played not badly.

That's like Man Utd losing to Yeovil 6-1 at Old Trafford and Man Utd players not having a bad game.

Believe me im on level 15 and have lost games against weaker teams but not like this.

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Originally Posted by Sully

In my opinion its just another indication that this game is a pile of crap and that tactics, player ratings and pretty much everything in this game count for nothing.

And before people start moaning that im only venting because I lost 6-1 that is not the case. I don't mind if lose but there was nothing in the game that I should have lost 6-1 apart from the fact that this game is stupid.

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Yes I read your posts.

You lose a game. You decide that it can't possible be anything to do with you that you lost. You show no respect for the other team and the other managers tactics that got their great win against you. You just come on here ranting and swearing at Nordeus.

Guess what, we're all playing the same game. We all have the same game engine rules applied to us. All of us have to suffer losing sometimes. We all have to take it. It's the way it is.

I've had to take the whole of Newcastle away in my ear all yesterday, they were much the better team and deserved their win and their right to taunt us. But did we stop singing through the match, no we took it, took our 3-0 defeat and kept a respect for our team. We make no excuses.

I'm very anti people complaining and blaming others for losing this weekend. It happens. Suck it up. Come back fighting.

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Originally Posted by DiZZee

My observation is that match ratings does not reflect how a team played, but how much the player worked in his position.
A low rating, to me means either he was outplayed or he did not contributed and vice versa.
A high rating does not mean a team played well, but that they worked on the field.

The next option is to look at formation and tactics


But yes...this may count for nothing???

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I think this is the case. I have had forwards with 8 or 9 ratings even when I draw against a weaker team. The forwards weren't getting any shots on goal but they insisted on firing shots everywhere. I had one game with over 20 total shots with 2 on goal.

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Originally Posted by TypTex

Yes I read your posts.

You lose a game. You decide that it can't possible be anything to do with you that you lost. You show no respect for the other team and the other managers tactics that got their great win against you. You just come on here ranting and swearing at Nordeus.

Guess what, we're all playing the same game. We all have the same game engine rules applied to us. All of us have to suffer losing sometimes. We all have to take it. It's the way it is.

I've had to take the whole of Newcastle away in my ear all yesterday, they were much the better team and deserved their win and their right to taunt us. But did we stop singing through the match, no we took it, took our 3-0 defeat and kept a respect for our team. We make no excuses.

I'm very anti people complaining and blaming others for losing this weekend. It happens. Suck it up. Come back fighting.

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I get the feeling that your not getting what I'm trying to get at here.

Im not complaining that I lost to a weaker team. Had I lost 1-0 or my players had had a nightmare of a game then fair enough but my players had a decent game but lost 6-1 to a far weaker team. For me it shows how crap this match engine is and how tactics, match ratings and alot of other things in this game count for nothing.

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Originally Posted by Sully

Oh and I suppose I should add that my team is 91.2 and his is 81.4!!!!

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I've often wondered whether the Q advantage offers a diminishing benefit the higher you climb the levels.

After all, a ten Q difference at Level 2 means one team will be roughly 50-75% stronger than their opponent. In your example (what's that, Level 12/13?) Sully, that advantage is down to approx. 12-15%.

Using 'real life' stats, that's similar to the difference between Man City and Arsenal (6-3) ... or Tottenham and Liverpool (0-5).

Purely speculative, obviously.

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Originally Posted by 4am

I've often wondered whether the Q advantage offers a diminishing benefit the higher you climb the levels.

After all, a ten Q difference at Level 2 means one team will be roughly 50-75% stronger than their opponent. In your example (what's that, Level 12/13?) Sully, that advantage is down to approx. 12-15%.

Using 'real life' stats, that's similar to the difference between Man City and Arsenal (6-3) ... or Tottenham and Liverpool (0-5).

Purely speculative, obviously.

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Im level 15 and that is the first time I've seen such a weak team. My league normally has a difference of 3 or 4 stars between the strongest and the weakest.

His team was full of 2 and 3* players with a couple of 4* star and a few 1* players. Like I said ive never seen such a weak team. I think the higher the level you go the gap between teams lessens.

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Originally Posted by Sully

I get the feeling that your not getting what I'm trying to get at here.

Im not complaining that I lost to a weaker team. Had I lost 1-0 or my players had had a nightmare of a game then fair enough but my players had a decent game but lost 6-1 to a far weaker team. For me it shows how crap this match engine is and how tactics, match ratings and alot of other things in this game count for nothing.

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You are saying that a lesser quality team shouldn't be allowed to beat your team by 5 goals. Why not? Shouldn't a weaker team on paper be allowed to win? should the underdog always give up and never expect to win? Do you always expect to lose to teams that are better than you? Have you no respect for the manager and team who beat you? Can't you say well played to the other team? Does it hurt you that much?

Your players might have played well but your opposition played better, had better tactics and they won. Would you be crying and calling it a troll result if you had beaten a team with Q10 better than you? or would you be thinking you were a great tactician?

Weaker teams will beat better teams, that's football.

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Originally Posted by TypTex

You are saying that a lesser quality team shouldn't be allowed to beat your team by 5 goals. Why not? Shouldn't a weaker team on paper be allowed to win? should the underdog always give up and never expect to win? Do you always expect to lose to teams that are better than you? Have you no respect for the manager and team who beat you? Can't you say well played to the other team? Does it hurt you that much?

Your players might have played well but your opposition played better, had better tactics and they won. Would you be crying and calling it a troll result if you had beaten a team with Q10 better than you? or would you be thinking you were a great tactician?

Weaker teams will beat better teams, that's football.

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Put it this way if Man Utd were to play a much weaker team and every player played well for Man Utd then you would expect them to win? Now I know football is strange and the weaker team might get lucky and win but to 6-1 is not going happen. It might happen if Man Utd players all had a nightmare and their opponents played out of their skin.

Forget that my team were stronger and were at home and had more possession...how can my players get the match ratings they did and yet lose 6-1? If they got 4's and 5's then fair enough but they didn't. It's stupid and shows this game for the crap that it is.

Honestly with this game I would never think im a great tactician, especially not after a few weeks ago when someone showed just how little formations and tactics matter in this game.

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Originally Posted by Sully

Put it this way if Man Utd were to play a much weaker team and every player played well for Man Utd then you would expect them to win? Now I know football is strange and the weaker team might get lucky and win but to 6-1 is not going happen. It might happen if Man Utd players all had a nightmare and their opponents played out of their skin.

Forget that my team were stronger and were at home and had more possession...how can my players get the match ratings they did and yet lose 6-1? If they got 4's and 5's then fair enough but they didn't. It's stupid and shows this game for the crap that it is.

Honestly with this game I would never think im a great tactician, especially not after a few weeks ago when someone showed just how little formations and tactics matter in this game.

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Yeah ok )) I take your point.

I'm just arguing for the sake of the underdog. Just parted with the best part of £100 for my Man City away tickets and trying to justify it to myself that we've got a chance. I'm pro the massive underdogs for the next week or so ))

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Originally Posted by TypTex

Weaker teams will beat better teams, that's football.

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But not usually by six goals to one.

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Originally Posted by 4am

But not usually by six goals to one.

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Gotta dream the dream, anything is possible, unlikely maybe be, but still possible. Maybe.

Yesterday even i won the match by big margin........ a also have small ratings team.......... and won a champion.....

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Originally Posted by TypTex

Yeah ok )) I take your point.

I'm just arguing for the sake of the underdog. Just parted with the best part of £100 for my Man City away tickets and trying to justify it to myself that we've got a chance. I'm pro the massive underdogs for the next week or so ))

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Like 4am said weaker teams will not beat stronger teams 6-1 away from home. If I had lost by one goal then fair enough that does happen.

As for sucking it up and getting on with it and backing your team that you said earlier, as I said to you in another thread, I support Rangers and if ever there was a group of supporters who just got on with it and backed their team no matter what then it's us. I paid over £300 for my season ticket last year to watch 4th teir Scottish football and ive done the same this year for 3rd teir football as have over 40000 other Rangers fans.

Good luck against City. It's a bit like us when we played in Europe, you know you will probably lose but you just might win and then it will have been the best money you've ever spent. That's the beauty of football, you just never know. Although I will 100% guarantee you one thing....you won't beat them 6-1!!!!

Sully;190750]I played 4-4-2 he used 4-3W-1-1. As for tactics itayfranko had already shown that formations count for nothing on another thread a few weeks ago.

If your theory on match ratings Is correct then losing 6-1 you'd think alot of my players were outplayed but my GK and 4 defenders all got a 7 I would expect them to be getting 5's.

Freak results happen but to lose 6-1 at home to a team nearly 10* worse than me?[/QUOTE]

Sorry everyone I made a mistake with the above post.

Tonight I have the return fixture in the Champions league against the team that beat me 6-1. I went back to look at the last game to see what I could change and I noticed that he didn't play 4-3W1-1 as i stated above. He actually played 4-1-3W-2. So i went to the formation and tactics page on this forum to have a look at the what counter formation to use and what is the formation to counter 4-1-3W-2?......yep 4-4-2!!!! The very formation i used!!!!!

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Originally Posted by TypTex

Gotta dream the dream, anything is possible, unlikely maybe be, but still possible. Maybe.

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Please read my post again taking particular note of the word 'usually' ... it's there for a reason!

Sully, it's my view that formations and tactics have little influence in T11. I think we're being (largely) duped.

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Originally Posted by 4am

Please read my post again taking particular note of the word 'usually' ... it's there for a reason!

Sully it's my view that formations and tactics have little influence in T11. I think we're being (largely) duped.

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I think we are being duped on more than just formations and tactics. Match stats, player match ratings, players morale and condition all mean nothing in T11 and your right we are being duped.

Only thing I can give Nordeus credit for is luring new players in who think this is a great game and is one of the best games out, I used to be one of them until about level 6 or 7 then you start to notice the major flaws. Then you try and contact Nordeus to bring up these flaws with them then your realise how bad it is by which time you have already spent money on buying tokens and really regret ever giving them a penny.

I really wish Nordeus would come out and explain these silly things.

Sully's GK gets a match rating of 7 after losing 6 goals but my team win 4-0 with my GK keeping a clean sheet and he gets a rating of 5!!!!

Just played the return game with both of us playing the exact same tactics as the last game and I beat him 5-1 but once again his keeper got a match rating of 7, in fact his two ST both got an 8 and none of his team got below a 6.

When is someone from Nordeus going to come out and explain these match ratings and how they work? MDKII? Anything or will we be ignored again?

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Originally Posted by Sully

Anything or will we be ignored again?

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What do you think? :))))))
MDKII, and the others, will tell you they don't work for Nordeus's game engine team.

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Originally Posted by Eugen Cristea

What do you think? :))))))
MDKII, and the others, will tell you they don't work for Nordeus's game engine team.

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Maybe not but he is part their Public Relations team.

same thing happened to me ...... losing at home with less than my team, that game-tactics manipulate it all the time, that anger ....

This game is ****ing bull****, that's why