How to improve the form of certain players?

Hi guys,

this is a question to the topeleven experts in this forum:

As most of you might have realized, at a certain point of time some players are in really bad shape. That means they get bad marks from game to game, even though they are one of the best players in the team, stronger than their opponent and are constantly playing in the first eleven.

This changes from season to season, but if they once have a bad form, there's no way to stop it. At least, that is what I have realized.

At the moment I have three players getting marks from 4-5, every single game. Even in friendly matches against weaker or stronger teams.

I tried the following: put them on the bank for about 5 games (no effect).
let them play in friendly matches against weaker opponents a lot (no effect).
change their positions (no effect).

Moral and fitness is of course perfect.


Is there anybody out there who knows how to get them back in shape?

Thanks everbody!

Regards

Change the formation with which you are playing you will see different results...Some type of players play well with certain formations and other with some other formation...

Thanks for the answer.

this is a possibility, but then I would loose the advantage of my team being used to a certain formation.

Yeah bro that's the way it goes...;)

If you are in a mood to continue your formation as it is then no matter what players you buy for that position the chances are very high that they will continue to perform badly...

Can't confirm that, players I bought for that positions as reserve are performing quite well.

Have you compared the attributes (skills) of the players that perform well vs. ones that don't? :D

Yes I did. I just put together an image that shows 2 of those players performing bad, compared to their respective substitute (you have to zoom in a bit ;) ).

I can'T see any relation in age or attributes.

By the way, both are performing weak for at least one complete season.

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Only the first panel show attributes. I mean Defense, Attack, Physical/Mental. There most certainly is a relation to their performance, though it isn't all of it.

Attributes and statistics from my team last season

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ah sorry, now I see it. Sorry i know what you mean, I just made a mistake.

Here is the information needed:
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from left to right: attack, defense, physical, statistics

If you compare Tanaskovic with Figo and Winder with Matthäus, at least I can't see a correlation coming from age or attibutes.

My advice would be to add to their physical stats, just my opinion though.

here's the wiki page for attributes, you might find interesting http://wiki.topeleven.com/Player#Attributes

Thanks for the hint.

I always try to keep the physical stats at the average strength of the player. But, I will try to increase them in the future.

Nevertheless, just a personal question: Have you already experienced the same issue of players playing weak over a long period of time without any reason? If so, how did you react? Sell them or keep them and hope for better times? :)

For instance, I kept Zidane even though he was playing weak for two seasons. Now hes starting to get better, don't know why.

I think it's something programmed in the game, which makes it more realistic, but I just don't have measures to deal with it

I think there are a lot of things might contribute to their ratings, if after I have tried with his attributes, moved him around, played him with different guys, arrows or no, if nothing works, I would sell. Except, with younger guys with very even attributes it takes awhile to change that, so I do try to be patient and give a season for training and ignore ratings that season.

I do think there are hidden attributes that make a player work in some teams/formations and not others... like this, I hardly ever play 4 4 2, but when I do, my team usually is flat and some guys get poor rating.. but it isn't that different from Maple Leaf, which I play all the time with good ratings!

Also multi role guys do seem to have a favored role, at least mine do. :)

Try to Power Train them for at least 3Full sessions.
See it helps!:)

this is what i believe 'form' is. kind of reflects games IRL, but too extreme where we can even lose against illegal/unmanaged teams
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...team-form.html
have you tried comparing your nearby rivals?

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Originally Posted by Mike Jones

Hi guys,

this is a question to the topeleven experts in this forum:

As most of you might have realized, at a certain point of time some players are in really bad shape. That means they get bad marks from game to game, even though they are one of the best players in the team, stronger than their opponent and are constantly playing in the first eleven.

This changes from season to season, but if they once have a bad form, there's no way to stop it. At least, that is what I have realized.

At the moment I have three players getting marks from 4-5, every single game. Even in friendly matches against weaker or stronger teams.

I tried the following: put them on the bank for about 5 games (no effect).
let them play in friendly matches against weaker opponents a lot (no effect).
change their positions (no effect).

Moral and fitness is of course perfect.


Is there anybody out there who knows how to get them back in shape?

Thanks everbody!

Regards

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i had the same problem with 3-4 players in my second account,a couple of seasons ago,but since i didn't care to promote or to win the title i kept them in my first 11 .After a week i started pt even if some of them where poor trainers.
The 4,and 5 ratings kept,so i bench them and played them in friendlies...the 4,5 ratings gone to 5-6 and sometimes 7 ...nothing special.
So that season i didint promoted and next season the 3 of them where 5* and 1 was 6*.they started the season with 5,6 some games 7 and then 5-6 again..so i force them to injury..And the miracle came....After the healing (1 of them with red packs) the rest no,they rated 6-7 and after a couple of games 7 at least.


Also i have seen many times a player that comes from 7-8 rate to 5 that is ready to injury..))) lol NORDS.

So my general idea of the faked up machine that Nords run is that whatever u do for some reason that they dont tell us?? dont even the programmers know?? for no reason that is realistic for us the player just performs bad..

its the same situation that u loose with 3-0 and u see ur defences statistics that are 7-8-7-8-7 but u have beaten by 3 goals from a 4* St and u try to figer out how in hell ur 5* defence has beaten by 3 and ur statistics are so good !!!!!!

So my friend do not try to analyse so much the engine since u have no facts how it works(and u will not take any answers from Nords for it).

Just sell the poor ratings and accept the trollness of the engine.

Another fact that is in the same issue is the yellow and reds in particular players when u give them sps in defence.I have seen many times the Mcs that have balanced ratings in the 3 categories(d-p-a) that after u sign some sp in defence they get very easily a yellow card.I had one 6* Mc from farming last season that had 10 yellows in 35 games !!! and 1 red..
He was rated average 7,and this year since i bored of his yellows i sign all the sp in the other 2 attridutes.After 10 games (4 main and 6 friendlies he has none...

So just accept as i said before the idiot engine and have fun without trying to understand a code that even the persons that wrote it have any idea why it works like that

I did check it with my rivals, see post in your thread littledude.

almost all of my opponents seem to have it, but for one it is stronger than for the other.

My 2 teams have serious problems with bad form. :( I have faced earlier bad form problems, but never soo much players out of form in one team. I don't know why this happens, usually I had 1-2, max. 3 player out of form, but this... I'd have to change a half of the team few days after finished transfers and then hope they won't have form like this again??? :mad:
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The first board has some logic but the second one :confused:
such rates from 5* players and so many in one game ?
The only explanation is the formation -did you play with only two Def. ?
or just another expression of a troll result.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

The first board has some logic but the second one :confused:
such rates from 5* players and so many in one game ?
The only explanation is the formation -did you play with only two Def. ?
or just another expression of a troll result.

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Sorry because I forgot to mention,
I started that match with 43MC2w1. Opponent has av.Q 2* and had 2-0 advantage in ~15mins. I pulled back one of MC's to DMC (to create 451V) scored1 and received 1, result was 3-1. Then I pushed that DMC back on MC, 4-1 for him. My last move was to pull DL and DR on DML and DMR + hard attacking, scored for 4-2 FT result.

So this formation you see was actually used only in last ~15 mins

Nordeus just gave up on this and thinking of t11 2015. I am beating stronger teams with a formation one day, then getting hammered by weaker teams with same formation the next. There is absolutely no logic to it.

Any answers Nordeus ???

Fastest way is use green packs, spend 2~3 a day and the player should be back to shape in less than a week.

If that is too costly and you want to keep your player, let him play 20~60minutes in match (by subs, in or out) and never whole time until his form changed to 7 or more. This may weaken your team in a few games.

The slowest but still effective way, bench him while he have max morale. Keep him benched until his morale drop to orange or red. After that just use him as sub. If done well he will have good form and his morale will increase after playing a match. This can take a week or two.

In my opinion, it's normal that players' form varies. Unlucky bad results may also affect players' form. I don't think there is a quick fix. If a player plays badly, I usually sit out these players and use more other rotational players. If a lot of player play badly, it is difficult situation. I will tend to be more defensive & change formation.

As you can see, I have great problems with form. This players are usually on bench, for this screenshot I've put them in 1st team. Most of them were bought this season, spent most of tokens I had on them, now I don't have enough to replace them (4T is almost nothing) .
Since they are bought this season, contract extend isn't option. Morale boost didn't make any difference as well as winning bonus.
I have tried to change their position, but without success. For example, MR didn't show any difference playing on AMR, he is right footed.
I don't see any solution of this problem. I don't want to leave this team and take new one.
http://forum.topeleven.com/attachmen...d11-celtic.jpg