League System

So Ive been playing this game for 8 or 9 months now and have overall been enjoying it..... but i'm starting to see the odd thing that either doesnt make sense...... or instead worryingly does make sense in a negative way.

If the top 7 in each league become promoted, then which is the very top league in the pyramid league system? ... and if more and more people join at the bottom of the league system and push their way up shouldn't that top league end up needing to be 'promoted'?

As a manager who potentially may buy credits etc I need to know what the incentive is......


On my way up the leagues i've obviously seen many teams....... some are clearly real and managed.... others have clearly been deserted and are manned by bots................ but there seems to be a large amount with conflicting info between name, country & photo.......... are the game servers making managers up and inserting them in higher leagues?

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Originally Posted by Matt Beaton

So Ive been playing this game for 8 or 9 months now and have overall been enjoying it..... but i'm starting to see the odd thing that either doesnt make sense...... or instead worryingly does make sense in a negative way.

If the top 8 in each league become promoted, then which is the very top league in the pyramid league system? ... and if more and more people join at the bottom of the league system and push their way up shouldn't that top league end up needing to be 'promoted'?

As a manager who potentially may buy credits etc I need to know what the incentive is......


On my way up the leagues i've obviously seen many teams....... some are clearly real and managed.... others have clearly been deserted and are manned by bots................ but there seems to be a large amount with conflicting info between name, country & photo.......... are the game servers making managers up and inserting them in higher leagues?

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On your last point - the mods on here tell us there aren't any 'made up managers' and I do believe that to be honest. As far as the name and country issue goes, I think you can select wherever you want when you start up. A friend of mine for some reason picked Stockholm, Sweden as his home, despite the fact he's English and from England. So as far as that goes, I think people just pick random places to originate from. That's perhaps why it seems odd.

As far as buying tokens/credits is concerned, I wouldn't bother. Have a look through the threads on here and see how often people are 'trolled'. That's people who buy and people who don't buy tokens. It's your own decision of course but I wouldn't recommend spending real money on this. I keep repeating this but I just try to enjoy the game for what it is, but I won't take it too seriously because as I say, you're never far away from your next trolling.

I think right now top level is like 34 or 35? Not *sure* though.

so the tip of the pyramid... ie the very highest is at 34/35 currently.......... so the big question for me is how many different leagues are there currently at that level because each time 7 clubs go up it should halve the amount of leagues at the next level

when it ends up with just one league of 14 (has it already?) then that is the highest there can be and that will be the incentive for everyone..... the Premier League/La Liga etc.................. I find it revealing that this isnt obvious for us all

I do not want to play a game where there is no end or target.......... not least because it would mean that bot teams are being inserted in higher leagues

Whend ther arent enought teams to play a LEAGUE the stroguest teams from the level above are promoted to fill the free spots.
I think that the top team are sometime also retained in the same level, waiting for more teams to join them, whend that happens there players do not lose a star.
But JULY is Best person to give the details since he is on the top of the server for a few seasons.

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Originally Posted by Ian Myers

On your last point - the mods on here tell us there aren't any 'made up managers' and I do believe that to be honest. As far as the name and country issue goes, I think you can select wherever you want when you start up. A friend of mine for some reason picked Stockholm, Sweden as his home, despite the fact he's English and from England. So as far as that goes, I think people just pick random places to originate from. That's perhaps why it seems odd.

As far as buying tokens/credits is concerned, I wouldn't bother. Have a look through the threads on here and see how often people are 'trolled'. That's people who buy and people who don't buy tokens. It's your own decision of course but I wouldn't recommend spending real money on this. I keep repeating this but I just try to enjoy the game for what it is, but I won't take it too seriously because as I say, you're never far away from your next trolling.

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thx for the reply

I enjoy it thx........ but it is hard to play the game without some question marks starting to reveal themselves. I have played many online football management games and the worst are the ones who skew everything to purchasing credits etc by hook or by crook. I will never pay a lot with the games I play, but the little I do pay has to have some honest and lasting reward.

I'd like to have the same trust as you about the name/country/photo thing but i'm not sure that I do tbh.... and it is something that should be kept in mind when considering the league system model as I think it goes hand in hand with a league system that doesnt appear to have an end to it.

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Originally Posted by Cat Harrison

I think right now top level is like 34 or 35? Not *sure* though.

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That depends on which server you play on, July Fourth server highest league level is 28 and the Capelli server is a younger server with the highest league level being at just 13. Every now and again, A server will perform a "hold" once there is too few teams advancing at the very top and teams affected will have a season where their players do not lose any stars.

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Originally Posted by Matt Beaton

thx for the reply

I enjoy it thx........ but it is hard to play the game without some question marks starting to reveal themselves. I have played many online football management games and the worst are the ones who skew everything to purchasing credits etc by hook or by crook. I will never pay a lot with the games I play, but the little I do pay has to have some honest and lasting reward.

I'd like to have the same trust as you about the name/country/photo thing but i'm not sure that I do tbh.... and it is something that should be kept in mind when considering the league system model as I think it goes hand in hand with a league system that doesnt appear to have an end to it.

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I have more than one team, and just for fun a couple of my teams are from Australia, just cos I never see very many Aussie managers, so I thought I would make more players from that country. :D

I have also seen many teams from say "England" with the name ManUSomething but the manager is from somewhere else entirely. It's just for fun. :)

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Originally Posted by Matt Beaton

thx for the reply

I enjoy it thx........ but it is hard to play the game without some question marks starting to reveal themselves. I have played many online football management games and the worst are the ones who skew everything to purchasing credits etc by hook or by crook. I will never pay a lot with the games I play, but the little I do pay has to have some honest and lasting reward.

I'd like to have the same trust as you about the name/country/photo thing but i'm not sure that I do tbh.... and it is something that should be kept in mind when considering the league system model as I think it goes hand in hand with a league system that doesnt appear to have an end to it.

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I think looking over your overall posts on this thread I can relate with where you're coming from. I suppose I have the same desire as you, to play until I'm right at the top! At present I'm on Level 6 and have been promoted every season I've played. I don't expect that always to be the case of course, perhaps when I reach level 10 it'll have taken me 11/12 maybe more season to get there.

With regards to where teams go, I suspect - and it's just an assumption - that in the middle leagues, basically everyone inbetween the top and bottom is made of of teams who didn't get promoted/abandoned teams/bot teams. I think ideally there would be no bots, but it's inevitable really. I guess to answer your question about where teams would come from if they were at the top of the tree - there would perhaps just be more bot managers. It's a slightly different case here but a friend who has literally just started was in Level 1 along with just ONE other real manager, the other 12 teams were all Bot Managed.

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Originally Posted by Matt Beaton

so the tip of the pyramid... ie the very highest is at 34/35 currently.......... so the big question for me is how many different leagues are there currently at that level because each time 7 clubs go up it should halve the amount of leagues at the next level

when it ends up with just one league of 14 (has it already?) then that is the highest there can be and that will be the incentive for everyone..... the Premier League/La Liga etc.................. I find it revealing that this isnt obvious for us all

I do not want to play a game where there is no end or target.......... not least because it would mean that bot teams are being inserted in higher leagues

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No the bots in upper Leagues are teams that have been abandoned for 70 days and they disappear end of that season.

judging by some of the replies i'm not sure i'm fully being understood.... maybe thats my fault... Yes of course there are some managers who setup with a different country, and a name that is not native to their country............. but that does not mean that all managers who are doing this are real

Of course something that would very much help people's faith in the league system and trust in the knowledge that their time and money arent being wasted, is for the league system to be able to seen and navigated............ leagues and teams would be able to be tracked and traced and a clear picture of where managers need to aim for would become apparent................... currently it feels like we are shooting in the dark and hoping that this isnt just about credits and ad hits

In my server the top league is 34, where teams from around Lev. 33 to Lev. 47 are participating, there are no bots but only "super: fully active managers with high Q teams. More fun for me at TE was at the first Levels, and much more fun now that i reach this Levels.

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Originally Posted by Matt Beaton

judging by some of the replies i'm not sure i'm fully being understood.... maybe thats my fault... Yes of course there are some managers who setup with a different country, and a name that is not native to their country............. but that does not mean that all managers who are doing this are real

Of course something that would very much help people's faith in the league system and trust in the knowledge that their time and money arent being wasted, is for the league system to be able to seen and navigated............ leagues and teams would be able to be tracked and traced and a clear picture of where managers need to aim for would become apparent................... currently it feels like we are shooting in the dark and hoping that this isnt just about credits and ad hits

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Real? The bot teams are clearly bot, the abandoned teams become bots after 70 days and then disappear (or possibly get taken over in the new update). In the 1st League there are bots to fill the numbers, as people join at different parts of the season they get taken over. What do you mean, real? All the other teams have (or have had) managers, actual people, yes. :D

Aim for? Just like in RL the aim is to promote/win in the Leagues. Did you want an end point, a "final league"? That's much like what MaxTax has.

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Originally Posted by Cat Harrison

Real? The bot teams are clearly bot, the abandoned teams become bots after 70 days and then disappear (or possibly get taken over in the new update). In the 1st League there are bots to fill the numbers, as people join at different parts of the season they get taken over. What do you mean, real? All the other teams have (or have had) managers, actual people, yes. :D

Aim for? Just like in RL the aim is to promote/win in the Leagues. Did you want an end point, a "final league"? That's much like what MaxTax has.

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yes... clearly you dont understand
i'm not talking about bots

yes aim for... like in any game worth its salts..... if there is a league structure then it needs to be made clear and apparent so we can see who is in what league and where they were the season before.......... maybe the league where we may end up if we win this season etc................... currently there is none of this and it reminds me of something like tetris where in the end there is no reward for completing each level............ then within that Tetris example consider purchasing credits to help clear the levels and it doesnt really make sense

If you are talking about a ranking system or a kind of a Leagues chart I agree that it would add interest in the game. Regarding rewarding as you asked, i have found it by trying to keep my team in the top league where i consider it like a premier League, true or false consideration doesn't matter, I am enjoying competing with 14 monster teams and waiting till a new league level opens to be there on top league again.

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Originally Posted by Matt Beaton

yes... clearly you dont understand
i'm not talking about bots

yes aim for... like in any game worth its salts..... if there is a league structure then it needs to be made clear and apparent so we can see who is in what league and where they were the season before.......... maybe the league where we may end up if we win this season etc................... currently there is none of this and it reminds me of something like tetris where in the end there is no reward for completing each level............ then within that Tetris example consider purchasing credits to help clear the levels and it doesnt really make sense

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The what do you mean by real>? As I said all but bots are started by real people.

You can see if your opponent won or did well by looking at his trophies. How can they predict what the next League is? I really don't know how you could look "forward" in that respect when you have to have the current League decided before a draw can happen. League structure? The structure is if you finish in the top 7, you promote. The reward is prize money for whichever Competitions you did well in.

I truly don't understand what you mean, I'm afraid the cough medicine has fuzzed my brain or I'm just having a blonde moment.

I think the aim is to compete, win or promote in the Competitions. What else would you?

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Originally Posted by Cat Harrison

The what do you mean by real>? As I said all but bots are started by real people.

You can see if your opponent won or did well by looking at his trophies. How can they predict what the next League is? I really don't know how you could look "forward" in that respect when you have to have the current League decided before a draw can happen. League structure? The structure is if you finish in the top 7, you promote. The reward is prize money for whichever Competitions you did well in.

I truly don't understand what you mean, I'm afraid the cough medicine has fuzzed my brain or I'm just having a blonde moment.

I think the aim is to compete, win or promote in the Competitions. What else would you?

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to be honest I think you are so satisfied with the setup that you cant see the flaws or alternatives

dont worry yourself

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Originally Posted by Maxtax

If you are talking about a ranking system or a kind of a Leagues chart I agree that it would add interest in the game. Regarding rewarding as you asked, i have found it by trying to keep my team in the top league where i consider it like a premier League, true or false consideration doesn't matter, I am enjoying competing with 14 monster teams and waiting till a new league level opens to be there on top league again.

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no not a ranking system.......... just simply a league structure where you are able to browse the leagues.... browse a team...... browse a league's history... browse a team's history............. without this ability the managers are blind to the bigger picture of the game and it becomes one season after another of the same old with no visible progress other than one level higher

Is Arsene Wenger unable to see the Division 2 table & the teams within that? and those division 2 teams unable to search the premier league, the teams within it and the histories of those teams?...... of course not

re: seeing the league you will be promoted to in advance........ it isnt hard to understand how this is easily possible within a pyramid system

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Originally Posted by Matt Beaton

to be honest I think you are so satisfied with the setup that you cant see the flaws or alternatives

dont worry yourself

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Not worried a bit, was curious what you meant, but whatever. I thought you might help me get what you were suggesting.. I do realize flaws in this game. Any suggestions for improving the game you should for sure post in Suggestions.

The only link you do have is via the friend link and the history that you have personally gathered and can recall over the seasons. There is no museum of club history. Same as there is no league history, because there is no league system.
There is some history in the player club stats, about goals scored, but is somewhat meaningless to the overall picture of the player, position, team, squad and club.
The length of time required to develop a club should be made visible and it is sad that when you do make Ingame friends, you have no idea what their club background is.

I have, for about 4 seasons a few Ingame friends. One did not get promoted last season. No clubs joining or passing him will know the background of that club. The question is do they want to? Maybe not. Another friend is going the same Way in about 2 seasons.

No one really gives a hoot about how much time or resource you have put into building a team. It eventually gets abandoned and becomes another BotRot club for a few seasons and then it disappears, forever.

Excellent point, except that, you have to create your own bigger picture, cos no one else really cares.