Can some1 tell me how that goes? im lvl 3 now and looking forward to that...if i want to buy a player from the opposite team i can just make an offer? And do i get the tokens if i sell?
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Can some1 tell me how that goes? im lvl 3 now and looking forward to that...if i want to buy a player from the opposite team i can just make an offer? And do i get the tokens if i sell?
Hi
Negotiations work by making offers for players using tokens and you can offer some tokens to a seller to help them consider your bid, however the more tokens you offer then the more it will cost you and it would be worth just buying a scout.
Players rated 5* close to 6* are on your list and each as an initial token bid which you must pay minimum to make an offer,
Just say the player you want to buy costs 7T and you want offer the seller 5T, then it will cost you 17T tokens to offer because for every token you offer you need to pay another token in commission. You can offer anything upto 20T but that could mean your paying close to 50T which is a cost of a scout player.
Selling is where Negotiations can become useful, when you are selling players and want to have a chance of recieving a bid via negotiations then you need to train your player 1 or 2 skill points short of getting the next star and don't apply any more skill points earned in training, this allows your player to be listed on the Negotiations list for a while, othe players can make an offer and if it involves receiving some tokens you can accept this, it beats placing them on auction as you wouldn't get any tokens.
Trade via Negotiation was very useful to The Eagles this concluding season. We sold 2GK both rated 39 at different point in the season for 15tokens each and double the players value! Great business deal. I reckon time to buy a scout GK next season from the token bounty
Were the offers from the same manager? Bids of 15 tokens don't come along every day, but I don't see why he'd want two scout goalkeepers. Most I've got is 2 tokens. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Benlee4u
Hi there, I am pretty much new here in the game, just got registrate and about to finishing first level as a winner so promoted to 2nd.Quote:
Originally Posted by July Fourth
I was helped buy good suggestions on this forum. Things are getting more and more clear, but...
This one I really don't get. At few different spots I have noticed this that at a certain point is not good to apply skills. When and why? How to avoid possible problems?
I know it is too early for me, but I would like to know.
THX
How do u know if a player's far from the next star ? I'm playing on my android fone or a iPad . Don't think I have as many options as been on a pc :'(Quote:
Originally Posted by July Fourth
Maybe you need to draw then into the web.Quote:
Originally Posted by Potemy
Set the selling price at the tokens you want, Eg. 10 tokens, you can still accept the highest offer at any time upto the time deadline.
Can somebody tell me WHY all of my friends can buy players with 4 and 5 stars and for me in the negotiation list - there are players only with 3 stars and one or two with 4 or 5 stars (surprise)
I wan to be a real player and to have the same rules..........
2) why i cant see my friend and i cant support them?
I reckon it 2 different chap. I was only interested in the tokens...
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Originally Posted by Potemy
I set a selling price of a token above the initial bid and still noone bites lol. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Accyrover
You are on a high level relative to your server.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alohata
2) You and your friends are on different servers.
It's always good to apply skill points, but starting from level 4, you might want to keep a player just a skill point away from a new star so that he appears on the negotiations list and you might get a few bids. You can only receive tokens by selling players through negotiations. You also get about the same amount of money as you get on auctions, and that's when you sell for 0 tokens. As the tokens increase, so does the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rev Dino
A new star is awarded every multiple of 5, at quality of 100, 105, 110, etc. A 99 quality player with stats of 100, 100, 99.8 is a skill point away from his next star. With another skill point, he will average 100 in his stats, and thus go up to 100 quality. :)
That's the fatal flaw that makes negotiations pointless, why would anyone accept 2 tokens for a player that probably cost them 10 times that? To make an offer that's anywhere near what a player is worth is going to cost you 40+ tokens so you might as well spend 10 extra and get a scout player that's way better. It can never possibly work. The numbers don't add up, you're always going to be paying more than a player is worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Potemy
Not true. If you sell him on auctions, you get no tokens at all, and that's the only other way you can get rid of players you don't need any more. You should see the tokens you get from negotiations as a bonus, and you'll also get a reasonable amount of money as well, more than what you usually get on auctions.Quote:
Originally Posted by neonwired
Is there a way to prevent any of your players from appearing on a negotiations list? I'm not interested in selling any of my players throughout the season and it has got as bit tiresome having to reject any offers.
Also when playing through the APP you are unable to reject any offers, and whilst an offer is pending you are unable to assign skill points!
Take the player to the training as soon as you realize he needs 1 skill point to be scout. He'll be scout and he'll not be in the negotiations list. I'd do that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomasjas
Assign the skill points so that they go up to the next star. Players only appear on the negotiations list when they are 1 or 2 skill points from their next star. I'd kill to have people bidding on my players so often, though.
Thanks guys, I've got two players who are at that level. I will put them through extra training to get them up to the next level! :D
But the players in negotiations aren't generally unwanted players, although some may be odds suggest most wont be, there is no way of knowing if you're bidding on an unwanted player that someone might accept a few coins just to get rid of or an important player they just bought for 50 coins that you haven't a hope of getting. Unless you can choose to add an unwanted player to the transfer list, negotiations remain pointless and that isn't going to happen as it would render auctions obsolete and, as auctions likely make nordeus more money, they're not going to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Potemy
A way forward that might work and would be slightly more realistic would be to use the transfer list only to sell players and leave auctions for bidding on unsigned young players. That way Nordeus still make token money from both possibly more.
How did you come up with that? Players are only on the negotiations list if they are 1 or 2 skill points away from their next star. If you want to keep the player, he'll only be there for a few days, and then he'll get his next star, also bids don't come in all that often. Therefore, majority of players on the negotiations list are players that managers want to be there, we leave them a skill point or two away from their next star and let them rack up the skill points, maybe use those skill points to give them another position or an SA so that they are more desirable.Quote:
Originally Posted by neonwired
That doesn't make sense though, it's not always possible to get unwanted players anywhere near a next star, especially if they are older (which are more likely to be unwanted), it could takes months to do that, if you could improve players that easily they might not be unwanted! So in reality only a small percentage of the players on the list will be there deliberately and as I said you have no way of knowing. A player only needs to be there a few minutes to be bid on so at any one time the majority of players on the list will be first team players as there's more of them in general that's just maths. So considering that, firstly you have to wait up to 24 hours just to find out your offers are futile, and secondly the chance of actually bidding on a player that you need that's actually for sale being so low. The whole thing is a waste of time, you could might as well save a few more tokens and get a player twice as good from scout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Potemy
Then they'll just be sold on auctions. If they're nowhere near their next star, they'll be nowhere near negotiations.Quote:
Originally Posted by neonwired
Only those that are already near their next star will be kept to be sold on negotiations.
I can see where neonwired is coming from, cause its the same from me. You're only looking at it as the seller side, Potemy, while being the bidder side is very tiresome.
I've just turned lvl 4 a few days ago, and I saw the good offers on the negotiation list. So far I've bid about 4-5 times, each with 1-2 tokens to the seller (for me it costs 10-12, which is not so low in my lvl), and all I got is the "joy" to wait 24 hours 5 times...
Only now, reading this thread, made me realize that I might be bidding for players that people don't want to sell. The problem is that I can't withdraw my offer and have to sit without those tokens (as I said, 12 is a lot for me) for 24hrs, as none of the people I've approached so far didn't even bother to reject the offer.
Alas, I think I'll just go back to auctions, cause I need that position upgrade for the team, and waiting all this time without even being noticed is very frustrating.
Exactly, that's my point, if all the players on the list were unwanted/for sale it'd work but most wont be. For example I currently have a player who happens to be close to the next star, he's also injured so not getting any training points. He's an important player and I have no intention of selling him but I'm still getting offers. All so far have been 1 or 2 tokens and have no hope. To get anywhere near an offer that might tempt me, 20+ tokens, it would cost them nearly 50 tokens, so they might as well go to scout and get a much better player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Potemy
You're way too greedy then, the most you can get from a negotiation is 20T. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by neonwired
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I'm happy. :)
What I did last season was save the skill points on my best players so that none of them reached 6*. I had about 5 players to sell on negotiations this season, still got 3 of them in the squad, but it's worth it if I can get tokens, and with the tokens, way more cash than they're worth. :p
Which is way too low when he cost me 26. The stupidity of it is that most of the offers are for 0!? Why would i accept 0? I'm getting tired of rejecting them, thankfully he's back from injury soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Potemy
I agree about the 0T bids, but getting some tokens is better than selling him on auctions and getting none, especially for users like me who don't buy tokens. I keep players to be sold on negotiations if they have low-ish training speed and hit negotiation standard (1 or 2 points from the next star).Quote:
Originally Posted by neonwired
