Reduced training speeds

Are you all experiencing these reduced training speeds when buying 18yr old unplayed players? ive now bought four ideally for next season but none will train as before ,high intensity 3 bar ,practice cardio and stretch and are not filling the skill point bar ie more runs,more greens/reds etc. Ive posted many times about greed/tweaks etc but if these players are not reset/released from these reductions as of next season they will become useless as they wont keep up with the promotion progress and the transfer market would be full of slow trainers/duds and surely finish this game off for good???

Nordeus wanted to slow down power trainers and make them buy more tokens I think

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Originally Posted by pnr8555

Nordeus wanted to slow down power trainers and make them buy more tokens I think

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I think you are correct ,the four 18yr olds i bought were all rated 149+ and within 6-15 skill points of 6*, i really wanted to save their skill points up and have four 5-6 * 19yr old new players for next season. As stated though if training does not quicken i would sell on,adding more slow trainers to the market. Can they not see certain changes make matters worse?

What are their training speeds? I've certainly seen big big variations in training results for any 1 player.

Only NordGen data I have is after achieving 6* - he's averaging 30/60/105 (don't have much info on the 5* rate because he reached 6 before I started recording. :( )

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Originally Posted by seanmeg

I think you are correct ,the four 18yr olds i bought were all rated 149+ and within 6-15 skill points of 6*, i really wanted to save their skill points up and have four 5-6 * 19yr old new players for next season. As stated though if training does not quicken i would sell on,adding more slow trainers to the market. Can they not see certain changes make matters worse?

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Some 18-20 yos now trains like a 26-29 year olds, or even like an old man's training speed

What are their training speeds? I've certainly seen big big variations in training results for any 1 player.

Only NordGen data I have is after achieving 6* - he's averaging 30/60/105 (don't have much info on the 5* rate because he reached 6 before I started recording. :( )
Sorry ive not been recording ,just they only 3/4 skill point bar where as ive got 2 skill point per run in the past seasons.

Some 18-20 yos now trains like a 26-29 year olds, or even like an old man's training speed

Agreed my 24-25 yr olds are training at same rate as these new 18yr olds

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Originally Posted by Mr. Marco

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Thanks this shows my point my unplayed18yr olds get +80 at best. Your 21yr old +254 and 3 sp's.
btw great trainer your Suarez

Yep, your past experience sounds reasonable since the ave for that 6* one I referred to is 195% or nearly 2sp after 3 types of training.

I've got some data on a 5* NordGen (not top value however - decided to take a punt on him). Not looked at numbers properly but he does easily get 2sp after 3 types of training.

Latest results if it helps. But as I said, I don't know if on average its reduced but I can only confirm I see wide variations on the results of each training from 1 session to the next.

PS Hutton is a 5* NordGen and Gemmill is a 6* one - both kindly sold to me by the same 'history unavailable' Club, FC Bright.

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Same thing here, I bought one player(DMC) 18 years old. 24 matches only one quality was added?! LOL.

Thankyou for all your input on this thread,please keep posting. We all know Nordeus does not listen but its obvious that if we all start re-selling these youngsters because they have been tweaked to train slower,then the markets would be useless and less tokens would be bid for fear of buying slow trainers/duds???

What price value do the young players have? Generally speaking in my experience 2 players of the same skill level and price train about the same, and that doesn't seem to have changed this season. Finding expensive young players to buy has gotten harder though.

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Originally Posted by Pete Cresswell

What price value do the young players have? Generally speaking in my experience 2 players of the same skill level and price train about the same, and that doesn't seem to have changed this season. Finding expensive young players to buy has gotten harder though.

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For me, at level 5 I try to get 10m+ Nordgens....the last one I took a punt on was slightly below that. I can't say its lowered but I can say it varies hugely and sometimes its enough for my player to get more on Cardio than he does on Match Practice (but then I tend to be grateful for the huge Cardio result. ;) )

I'm afraid I've not been around long enough to contribute anything on 22 yo or more fast trainers but from what I've seen so far there's no difference between the training rates of comparable (value) 18 yo or 21 yo ie within an age bracket - its all about the star rating.

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Originally Posted by Pete Cresswell

What price value do the young players have? Generally speaking in my experience 2 players of the same skill level and price train about the same, and that doesn't seem to have changed this season. Finding expensive young players to buy has gotten harder though.

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Three players have a market value of 109M and one at 110M, this is top value as most auction players are 108M at level 25-26. None of them are recording a skill point on 1 run 3 bars practice/cardio/stretch, until this greed tweak by Nordeus all my past youngsters got 2 or almost 2 skill points per training session

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Originally Posted by seanmeg

Three players have a market value of 109M and one at 110M, this is top value as most auction players are 108M at level 25-26. None of them are recording a skill point on 1 run 3 bars practice/cardio/stretch, until this greed tweak by Nordeus all my past youngsters got 2 or almost 2 skill points per training session

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Ah right - down at level 8 a good player is worth just over £20m.

You can't use player value to gauge quality at your level - I suspect that the problem is that there's less a lot less fast trainers to buy, rather than a specific speed tweak (both events would cause what you're seeing)

Yup that's the problem in higher levels. (15-20+)
Since there's a max. value for each level you don't know which player would be worth more...
So the gap between those who are actually cheaper and slower and those who are expensive and fast trainers gets smaller the higher you go...

I envy all you guys, As my managerial tactics are really to run two equal team, A and B almost equal in all aspects, in order to play a 3 competitions "Treble" run, it has it's advantage and disadvantages.
I've tried to buy 18 year old Nordgens again and again and just had to let them go as I needed performers like yesterday! So I sold these poor guys trained for like 4 days and got middle age, give me performance now guys, It has happened to me every start of the season.