Youth Academy Player and Training Speed Nerf Exposed...:D...

Here is Buffs Mad 15T Youth Academy Player Stats...:D...

Stretching	Cardio	Match Practice
56	78	156
47	77	127
43	109	163
42	79	159
48	114	108
47	102	157
46	88	122
54	73	165
41	113	111
58	119	134
54	104	171
41	80	128
51	118	159
39	74	122
47	118	121
46.93	96.40	140.20

Here is mine 24T Youth Academy Player stat...:D...

Stretching	Cardio	Match Practice
54	80	158
54	98	174
44	116	135
50	97	126
50	102	161
41	90	173
37	108	123
40	93	108
46	100	140
50	110	122
44	90	167
48	85	125
35	94	145
40	75	119
37	108	120
48	78	155
39	71	107
56	102	151
37	106	123
45	91
43	99
40	105
43
58
44.54	95.04	138.36

Training Speed Now as 5 Star Player without assigning skill points...:D...

Stretching	Cardio	Match Practice
32	82	118
28	76	134
28	74	96
37	76	111
45	72	135
33
33.8	76.00	118.80

Training Speed as a 5 Star Player after after assigning the skill points to Physical and Mental there by increasing it by 10...:D...

Stretching	Cardio	Match Practice
29	69	98
42	81	118
33	82	113
43	92	87
34	64	133
44	62	104
29	56	116
28	64	92
47	87	115
42	78
37.10	73.50	108.44

The following points can be deducted from the above stats...

1) The TRAINING SPEED of Token Youth Academy Player has no connection to their Tokens...Training Speed is same whether the player is of 15 or 24 Tokens...The Tokens only determines how much skill point the player is near to 5 star...


2) If we calculate the starting Training Speed of both the players at initial stage it can be found that they are very high...But as we train them the speed drops considerably which means that if we start to Power Train a player the game spots it and slows down the player Training Speed...


3) The market value of the Token Youth Academy player is equal to the fastest NORDEUS GENERATED player...


4) The stats also shows that the Training Speed will drop even if you do not allocate the skill points...


5) Increasing the Physical and Mental does not results in increase Training Speed...


6) The average Training Speed for 5 star player shows that Training Speed has been nerfed considerably...


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Very good!

I can confirm all points.

Great post!! Thx a lot Sid & Buffs Mad for all your work :)

It's every star... not just the 5th. If you train up a 3 star guy, he'll slow when he gets 4th or enough points in hand to be there.

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Originally Posted by Cat Harrison

It's every star... not just the 5th. If you train up a 3 star guy, he'll slow when he gets 4th or enough points in hand to be there.

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I meant that a 5 star fast trainer training speed was much more than what the data is suggesting...

So the Training speed has been NERFED...

Hmmm, why didn't you say you were going to do this and I could've posted the 5* results for my Academy guy.

Edit: I'll post in some data once I've dbl checked it /Edit

I have some data on 6* but not enough.

I've also got data on Nordgens at 5 & 6*.

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Originally Posted by Buffs Mad

Hmmm, why didn't you say you were going to do this and I could've posted the 5* results for my Academy guy.

Edit: I'll post in some data once I've dbl checked it /Edit

I have some data on 6* but not enough.

I've also got data on Nordgens at 5 & 6*.

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Sorry...:D...But I did said that I will post my data when the sample size is big enough...:D...

We can make a single thread for all this data...Then the comparison will be better...

Here's my 5* Academy training results from 5* all the way to 6. All points were assigned after each 3 type session.

Not had time to analyse them properly yet - looks like the * causes a 20-25% drop in gain.

Stretching	Cardio	Match
33	86	100
30	85	139
38	94	118
33	69	86
42	63	103
39	68	107
39	72	134
34	62	92
38	68	121
28	80	103
31	83	142
36	70	135
31	75	117
45	77	121
44	79	125
30	71	92
32	85	134
44	68	141
33	75	108
34	64	96
41	56	139
47	95	109
802	1645	2562
36.45	74.77	116.45

I have another 18 yo player who was high value (NordGen type value) but was definately not a NordGen. I was prepared to assume he was another teams Academy player 1 level above me (or same level trained up to next star). I therefore repost the data on him as a 5*.

The results seem broadly similar to the other Academy players - but I can't do anything more on Gain drop per * until I have more 6* data.

Btw, although I'm sure you all can tell, the values at the end are the total points gained followed by the averages.

Stretching	Cardio	Match
41	75	130
47	70	138
40	86	117
44	67	87
39	67	134
29	75	104
45	83	93
45	68	103
47	69	110
43	90	116
38	74	109
41	80	92
44	66	131
39	64	116
42	64	89
33	75	132
44	77	100
37	88	142
41	81	137
779	1419	2180
41	74.68	114.74

I would broadly endorse Sid's findings except for the last one.

• The next star drop in gain I'm seeing was what I expected from reading other posts. No idea if there has been an overall nerf to speed because I have no access to historic data.

What surprised me was the wide range of values that were achieved for the same player doing the same type of training from one session to another - that highlights the need for a decent sample size.

Its risky to say this because the sample sizes are small but I've been recording the start and end condition for each training session (and each type) and so far I'm not seeing any influence of Condition Level on Gain. (But take that with a pinch of salt atm)

PS. At some point I'll take a further look at Gain per 1 point of condition and see if anything jumps out.

Wow great to see people really involved and sharing tips with all for the sake of the entire community! :D

youth players are waste of time. if i'd have known the dross that comes out I would never have bothered building it

Brilliant Post! Kudos!

Hard stats!

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Originally Posted by Buffs Mad

I would broadly endorse Sid's findings except for the last one.

• The next star drop in gain I'm seeing was what I expected from reading other posts. No idea if there has been an overall nerf to speed because I have no access to historic data.

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The have NERF the speed its 100% conform because earlier a fast trainer easily managed more than 40/80/120...:D...

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Originally Posted by Siddharth Shanker Singh

The have NERF the speed its 100% conform because earlier a fast trainer easily managed more than 40/80/120...:D...

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Happy to accept that, I just can't confirm it because I can replicate the past. I've a hunch its not a nerf to the actual values but rather a nerf to the range of possible values - the highs still look as high but more lows are creeping in imo.

But a nerf is a nerf. ;)

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Originally Posted by Buffs Mad

Happy to accept that, I just can't confirm it because I can replicate the past. I've a hunch its not a nerf to the actual values but rather a nerf to the range of possible values - the highs still look as high but more lows are creeping in imo.

But a nerf is a nerf. ;)

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Hahahaha...One of the long standing member of the forum had told me that when the game started the average speed for a fast trainer used to 180 for Hard Practice Match...:D...

quite interesting but i think il stick to selling the free one and keep looking out for fast training 18 yo 5*players and probably cheaper in tokens too.

The best speed I have gotten is 160. Ever. and 158 this season.. both times on a 3*. so I haven't seen much change in the amount of green packs I budget to train them, that is, a cone a green/ 3 cones all hard training, until ticking over to 4. I have records in a notebook and I checked.. maybe they have slowed a tiny bit?

Best I've noticed is 175 on 4* (best I've recorded on that guy is 171) - worst that same guy has achieved is 108, still Match Hard.

He has also achieved a higher gain on Cardio (119) than on Match Practice almost immediately after (111). Several players show this - no idea how frequently it happened in the past as I can't comment on what I don't see (unless I don't have any data at all then I'm happy to comment on anything).

Thats why I question the range of values because I hadn't noticed such a wide range before this. If the range of possible random values was lowered at the lower end it would after all give a lower average.