Assigning Skill Points - Random Nature

Hi there. New to the game. Tried to search for this in the forum, but everyone seems to be talking about saving them for cup draws.

I'm trying to train a few players (def, mid and attack) and I keep finding that my defenders want to get dis-proportionally high values in Handling (equal to their existing tackling/marking skills) and it's not something I need for that player.

Similarly my central midfielders want to go with crossing, when choosing attack points.

And most players want to gain aggression when going with physical points.

It just gets very frustrating because it will great more balanced players than guys with 100 marking/tackling but 15 strength, it just seems to be overly loaded onto some skills that a number of players don't want. Any advice on how to get around it?

Is it truly random and that by getting another skill point to then assign might change the skills chosen?

Saving skill points won't help you in cup draw. It is useful only for power training. No one needs handling (expect for GK), but we can't change that. You can add skill points only on defence, attack or physical, but not on single skill.

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Originally Posted by t11_fan

Saving skill points won't help you in cup draw.

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I've read about that in trying to find the answer to my question. And no, I'm NOT asking about the cup.

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It is useful only for power training. No one needs handling (expect for GK), but we can't change that.

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Yes. I'm trying to power train.

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You can add skill points only on defence, attack or physical, but not on single skill.

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And I know it's not assigned by specific skills, and you can only choose the categories.
But I'm asking if there's a way to get around overloading Handling (for defenders/midfielders) and crossing/aggression.
So right now, I've got a single skill point for two of my defenders.
For one of them ... if I choose Defence, it is assigning it to Handling.
Attack = Finishing
Physical = Aggression

For the other:
Defence = Handling
Attack = Crossing
Physical = Creativity.

And I don't really want some of those.
So ... is it random per gaining of a skill point? If I gain another skill for them will it change the skills chosen by the engine per category? Or is it not random and pre-defined per player?

Hi my friend and welcome
If I understand it correct, you mean that in a specific time of the game if you try to give a sp to defense, this sp goes to Handling instead of Marking or Tackling that you want and if you could wait one day or gain 1-2 sp more or log in/out then this sp maybe passed the Handling and go to them ?
No, anyway, for your next sp, you 'll find this Handling in front again.

Ok ... so you are saying the order is predetermined?
Or that once it's randomly chosen handling as the next skill for that group ... that's it until you assign the point.

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Originally Posted by Synthespian

Yes. I'm trying to power train.

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Ok, power train only fast skill progress players. These are players which get more than 4% skill progress per 1% condition lost.
When your player reaches quallity near scout (1 skill point to scout) then stop adding skill point because scouts have drastically slower growth than 5* players. When you gather enough skill points, add them and stop powertraining for that player. More often your player gets training and more packs you spend, more skll points will he get in shorter time.

alright lets clear some things up here:
Handling is not a goalkeeper skill in this game, there are no goalkeeping skills
The order is pre-determined, but one skill will not get too far ahead of the others, it is dependent on their position how they are assigned.

Yeah, agree with RJ.
I also started to believe that handling or marking or speed has nothing to do with the nature of the game.
They are just 3 categories DEFENSE - ATTACK - PARTICIPATION IN THE GAME.
If we could "build" the player as we would like e.g. an AMC like Messi with great ATTACK and no DEFENSE or a DC like David Luiz with attacking skills or a fast one like Robben, then we could have the choice to add only to speed or whatever.
Those abilities I think it's cosmetic but maybe later with a better programming we could hope for something better. :p

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

Yeah, agree with RJ.
I also started to believe that handling or marking or speed has nothing to do with the nature of the game.
They are just 3 categories DEFENSE - ATTACK - PARTICIPATION IN THE GAME.

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Really?
It's a purely cosmetic aspect?
What a major disappointment. That takes a huge heap out of it.

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If we could "build" the player as we would like e.g. an AMC like Messi with great ATTACK and no DEFENSE or a DC like David Luiz with attacking skills or a fast one like Robben, then we could have the choice to add only to speed or whatever.
Those abilities I think it's cosmetic but maybe later with a better programming we could hope for something better. :p

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Yes. Well ... you then need to look at skill re-assignment for the players you've got because ... well ... that's another thing.
Indeed. If you were cherry picking skills you'd start assigning, but my question was not quite that specific as I could see it wasn't possible but actually we got to the nub of it. It's meaningless. [:P]

And t11 ... thanks for the info on power training. Had got that in another thread, so was aware but always good to get it double-checked.

As for stopping "just before Scout".
Is there a simple way to work out when they'll cross over?
It seems to be an addition of the skills, but in truth with one-sided defenders/attackers it's not quite as simple it seems.

Handling is purported to be Ball Control.

http://wiki.topeleven.com/Player#Attributes

Players have 3 categories of Skill: Physical and Mental can be thought of as 'Always On' - in constant use; Attacking or Defending are "Either Or" - a player can be Attacking or Defending in an event.

Yes, scouts begins with quallity ending on 5 or 0
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level 1 Q25, level 2 Q30, level 3 Q35, level 4 Q40 etc.
so for level 1 sum of 3 skills (average of defence, attack, physical) for weakest scout is 3x25=75
Strongest 5* player can have rating sum 74.8 (1 skill point = 0.2)
That means player who has def 24.8 att 25 and physical 25 is 5* at level 1, but player who has def. 25 att 25 physical 25 is scout; that is one skill point difference

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Originally Posted by Buffs Mad

Handling is purported to be Ball Control.
Player - Top Eleven Official Wiki

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So, are they "for show" or do they specifically do something?
And if it's the latter ... are they predetermined?

My belief is that you cannot very much change the proportions of the attribute sets -- if you get a guy that had finishing highest, it is likely to stay as the highest.

I proved this with a guy that had totally even stats in both ATT and PHY and they stayed that way for three seasons.

But as far as them being cosmetic, I don't think so -- he was a beast and sadly on a 35T team so he had to be sold. I choose players by their price and attributes and usually I get players that work in my team.


p.s. here's the wiki on attributes: http://wiki.topeleven.com/Player#Attributes

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Originally Posted by Synthespian

So, are they "for show" or do they specifically do something?
And if it's the latter ... are they predetermined?

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Couldn't possibly know that without seeing the code but its not as if its a complex thing to do. Whether is general skills or individual attributes its still just comparisons, 'rolls', multipliers....

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Really?
It's a purely cosmetic aspect?
What a major disappointment. That takes a huge heap out of it.

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No reason for that. This game has light program. I play it through pc and android. In my Samsung it’s open in a few seconds. Don’t judge or compare it with a football manager pc game 2GB. It’s a free f/b game and smartphone app.

It’s a descent game, good for what it offers. You can play with other people, you can have a descent team without spending money, you can boost your team if spending some or farming (watching vids) or downloading apps (free or not) for your pc or android – I ‘ve done all of them.
I ‘m very addicted to it (this period) but it’s far from “the game of the year”. :o

Ok, some analysis now. This is my basic MR/AMR. I have a competitive 5* team with many young players and usually playing 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 V. This player, in most of the games playing as MR with red arrow.

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As you can see, his first attribute is passing. If I ‘ll try to give those extra sp, passing still gets the more. I was trying to push more his shooting attribute at the beginning but can’t do.
So if his favorite attribute is passing (and crossing is equal to shooting) I would expect more assists than shooting when seeing his stats.

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My believe is that giving sp to a player, you can affect the style of your player (more attack or more defense) but the behavior of the player comes more from the style of the team (formation, mental, orders) and his “pre-program” than the individuals attributes.

p.s. and you cannot make a simulation of a player like Robben, with great speed/Fitness but low creativity – great dribbling but low crossing - great handling but low tackling.

Think we need to remember the differences in attributes within a skill set are small. I take them more as a hint of the preferred role. ;)

Which still comes back to the question of are the skills actually part of the code of the engine?
If they are, and the balance of skills is generally retained, then I don't want a team of MCs who have a predisposition to Crossing, nor do I want defenders who don't like to gain tackling.

If that's the case, then I would want to find replacements for them.

If it's not based on the actual skills, and is based only on the overall value of the segment, then I need not worry about the cosmetic affect of the skills, and my fast trainers (who like crossing) will simply be better players because they improve that segment overall. I don't know the code, and sure it loads in a browser or on a phone quickly so is not going to be a Football Manager style game, but if the nuances can make a difference I'd like to try and learn them.

I'm not asking to create a Robben specifically as I can see that's not possible, but trying to work out if these players I have bought are in fact going to be worthwhile in the end (with additional crossing/aggression).

Look at it this way:
Option A) Points on different skills are immaterial, and only overall Defence, Attack & P+M skill levels matter. Fast Trainers = Fast Trainers and better long-term value
Option B) Different skills play a part in the match engine. Fast trainers are good, but
b1) If the skills additions are random your prized fast trainer could turn out to be a turkey in the long run, and you'll not get full resale value
b2) If the skill additions are kept in a close ratio (per 100 skills) then you will be able to buy with more information of his future position
b3) If the skill additions are pre-determined (but not in a ratio) you cannot know if you're buying a turkey or not.

so far, there's been no concrete answer to say if it's A or B.
And then if it's B, which way round.

My current hunch is that it's probably A, and that it is all "for show", and whilst I'll accept that, it's still a shame to have named them. My current reason for my hunch now is due to the answers given so far, the general ambiguity and the lack of dedicated goalkeeper skills.