Not Respected Rules of League's Ranking

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11-17-2014
Eagle

Not Respected Rules of League's Ranking

Good morning everybody. I'm new of this forum and would like to ask information about the classification rules of the league.
In the last season, which ended two days ago, I finished in fourth place tied for points, goal difference, goals scored with my opponent. For rules that are in the "Rules and Prizes" is written that in the event of a situation like this would have to play a match for declaring the final positions. Instead it was not disputed any playoff game, and I was assigned directly to the fifth position. I state that I defeated my opponent in both games played in the league and the final classification was the following:
4th Opponent 16(W) 2(D) 9(L) 50(GS) 33(GA) +17(+/-) 47(Pts)
5th Me 14(W) 5(D) 7(L) 50(GS) 33(GA) +17(+/-) 47(Pts)
Thanks to anyone which will give me some clarification.
11-17-2014
Amane Ito

It was the away goal rule I guess. You ranked below because you scored less goals as the away team but had more home goals instead.
If the home and away goal was the same too, there should be a match although I never saw one happening.
11-17-2014
Dman2pt

That rule of the game is another lye of Nordeus, no one in this forum ever watch that happened.

My guess for him being at 4th place is having one more win in LEAGUE that yourself, since you won both matchs against him.

But nobody understand Nordeus Logic.
11-17-2014
spornybol

If i`m not mistaken with actual premiership rules if all is level then it goes to the team that has most wins if same wins then it goes too head to head but if that is the same then there will be a 1 game play-off
11-17-2014
Amane Ito

From the rules:

Tie-breaking rules
1. Number of points
2. Higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question
3. Superior goal difference from the group matches played among the teams in question
4. Higher number of goals scored in the group matches played among the teams in question
5. Higher number of goals scored away from home in the group matches played among the teams in question
6. If, after applying criteria 2) to 5) to several teams, two teams still have an equal ranking, criteria 2) to 5) are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the two teams in question to determine their final rankings. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria 7) and 8) apply
7. Superior goal difference from all group matches played
8. Higher number of goals scored from all group matches played

Since 1~4 were cleared and you have won the criteria number 6 if your claim was true, it must be #5(away goal rule) that counted. If both of you tied in #5 (same number of goals scored in home and away), #6 would be in place and you shoud rank above him...

Edit: messed it up sorry fixed it now
11-17-2014
Eagle

Thanks for the reply. However, in the rules of the league, are not mentioned goals at home and away... and I was surprised that they have not followed the rules written on the page. If the rules are different, just write clearly and there is no problem. That you can think badly, cause my opponent had surely spent some money to buy some players while I've never bought any token.
11-17-2014
Eagle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amane Ito

From the rules:

Tie-breaking rules
1. Number of points
2. Higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question
3. Superior goal difference from the group matches played among the teams in question
4. Higher number of goals scored in the group matches played among the teams in question
5. Higher number of goals scored away from home in the group matches played among the teams in question
6. If, after applying criteria 2) to 5) to several teams, two teams still have an equal ranking, criteria 2) to 5) are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the two teams in question to determine their final rankings. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria 7) and 8) apply
7. Superior goal difference from all group matches played
8. Higher number of goals scored from all group matches played

Since 1~4 were cleared and you have won the criteria number 6 if your claim was true, it must be #5(away goal rule) that counted. If both of you tied in #5 (same number of goals scored in home and away), #6 would be in place and you shoud rank above him...

Edit: messed it up sorry fixed it now

I had already read these rules but should be valid only for the Champion's League (Champions League rankings - Top Eleven be a Football Manager). In fact, the page Top Eleven Wiki (Competition - Top Eleven Official Wiki) does not say that they are also valid for the league.
11-17-2014
cookizzz

This is so strange that they remember to write tie-breaking rules for CL but not league.

Slightly out of this topic, how can you check the league standings and statistics of previous season?
11-17-2014
Soham_NagpurBluesFC

Quote:

Originally Posted by cookizzz

This is so strange that they remember to write tie-breaking rules for CL but not league.

Slightly out of this topic, how can you check the league standings and statistics of previous season?

As far as i know about this game.. I don't think there is any way to check stats and standings of previous season.. only current season and all time stats are available.. though the all time stats are also messed up now
Even i want my previous season's final league standings..:mad:
11-17-2014
cookizzz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soham_NagpurBluesFC

As far as i know about this game.. I don't think there is any way to check stats and standings of previous season.. only current season and all time stats are available.. though the all time stats are also messed up now
Even i want my previous season's final league standings..:mad:

Thanks.

As Eagle talked about changes about final league standings of last season, I wonder if he/she notice the details after new season had already started.
11-17-2014
Amane Ito

I'm sure that away goals rule was mentioned in the league rules in-game in case of a tie, but it's been 3 years last time I checked so...:p
11-17-2014
Eagle

Quote:

Originally Posted by cookizzz

Thanks.

As Eagle talked about changes about final league standings of last season, I wonder if he/she notice the details after new season had already started.

Meanwhile I sent an email to the Nordeus support for clarification. When they reply to me, I will let you know.
I am aware that the new season has already begun and certainly will not change anything for me ... but I still want to know why they have not respected the official rules.
However I'm male! :D
11-17-2014
khris

you have to see the 2 matches between these teams and see who won... or... if all is = and 2 teams are in same position or in fight for title or CL spot the game proggramm a neutral match between both to decide the winner.

edited...

no.. I remember that in the league tehres no rule of away goal... only is introduced in CL groups stage so.. the game decided in a match in neutral stadium.
11-17-2014
khris

ahhh I see... ok u did not see the match because is simulated and you can not attend LOL
11-17-2014
Eagle

Quote:

Originally Posted by khris

ahhh I see... ok u did not see the match because is simulated and you can not attend LOL

If it were so :confused:, it would be wrong for me. However I wait a their reply.
11-17-2014
Celtic

They have no table for home and away goals, how can you compare which were home and away? game by game?

What an embarrassment.
11-18-2014
cookizzz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagle

Meanwhile I sent an email to the Nordeus support for clarification. When they reply to me, I will let you know.
I am aware that the new season has already begun and certainly will not change anything for me ... but I still want to know why they have not respected the official rules.
However I'm male! :D

Sorry, Mr. Eagle :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagle

Good morning everybody. I'm new of this forum and would like to ask information about the classification rules of the league.
In the last season, which ended two days ago, I finished in fourth place tied for points, goal difference, goals scored with my opponent. For rules that are in the "Rules and Prizes" is written that in the event of a situation like this would have to play a match for declaring the final positions. Instead it was not disputed any playoff game, and I was assigned directly to the fifth position. I state that I defeated my opponent in both games played in the league and the final classification was the following:
4th Opponent 16(W) 2(D) 9(L) 50(GS) 33(GA) +17(+/-) 47(Pts)
5th Me 14(W) 5(D) 7(L) 50(GS) 33(GA) +17(+/-) 47(Pts)
Thanks to anyone which will give me some clarification.

According to the table you shown us, the opponent should be 50 pts (16x3+2), instead of 47 pts.

If the system did not alter the table after all the matches have been completed in order to determine final standings, they just incorrectly showed the number of points. The opponent has more points and should be ranked above your team.
11-18-2014
tarcanes92

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagle

4th Opponent 16(W) 2(D) 9(L) 50(GS) 33(GA) +17(+/-) 47(Pts)

You had an error in the email that you sent to Nordeus.

According to what you typed, your opponent played 27 league games.
11-18-2014
cookizzz

[QUOTE=tarcanes92;301703][QUOTE=Eagle;301435]
4th Opponent 16(W) 2(D) 9(L) 50(GS) 33(GA) +17(+/-) 47(Pts)

Quote:

You had an error in the email that you sent to Nordeus.

According to what you typed, your opponent played 27 league games.

Probably, "opponent" actually got 15(W). In such case, the total no. of points is correctly shown as 47.
11-18-2014
Amane Ito

OP was right, the league rules page were reworked at some point in the game such that the "away goals rule" isn't listed.

We need an official tie-breaker rule explained clearly for each competition:(
11-18-2014
PricopGeorgeCătălin

I might be wrong but I guess you played the game but you game was not visible for you, just a simulation, same like in cup or champions league for 3rd place.

Anyway if you can't find an answer here, please contact our support team at support@nordeus.eu

Thank you very much!
11-18-2014
tarcanes92

Quote:

Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin

I might be wrong but I guess you played the game but you game was not visible for you, just a simulation, same like in cup or champions league for 3rd place.

There is no 3rd game in the cup or champions league. Both semifinal losers are awarded third place.
11-20-2014
Eagle

[QUOTE=cookizzz;301710][QUOTE=tarcanes92;301703]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagle

4th Opponent 16(W) 2(D) 9(L) 50(GS) 33(GA) +17(+/-) 47(Pts)

Probably, "opponent" actually got 15(W). In such case, the total no. of points is correctly shown as 47.

Sorry if I answer only now.
As someone has noticed there is an error and the victories of my opponent are 15 and not 16. However in the mail to Nordeus support, I sent directly the screenshot of the ranking that I had done previously.
Unfortunately, the person who answered did not quite understand what I wanted and I asked again for clarification. This is the first email I sent:

"Hi. In the past season (Level 17), I have finished the league placing to the 4th position on a par with an opponent. We both had the same ranking points, same goal difference and goals scored. So the regulation is available on the page "Rules and Prizes" states that, in this case, will be played a playoff game, on neutral ground, to decide the final position of both.
But this game has never been played and my opponent has been given the right to 4th place while I was assigned directly to the 5th. Assuming that I have also won both two games during the progress of the season, I would like to know why it was not applied to the official rule?
I look forward to your clarification."