Financial Issues

I'm playing TOP ELEVEN since about 4 years and I reached level 32 after 47 seasons.
I noticed that in the last 4/5 levels the salaries are too high compared to the value of the players and the prizes of the league:
I have players from 158 to 177 with salaries around 44M and value around 110M
The prizes of the league are 1.58 for each win and 106M for the league winner
It is also very difficult to sell players (4-5 players in the selling list for several days with no result)

This cause that every 10 days I have 1 player sold to restablish positive balance and I have the team for each new season full of old players automatically added.

This is very boring and I'm really thinking to stop playng this game. :(

Is it possible to propose any change to the game?

Maybe it is time to quit or time to buy some tokens

At that level nearly all of the income came from ticket sales and mechandise. Adjust your ticket price to get the most out of it.

If you don't have cup and CL to play try to make some friendly matchs for additional income. I guess you can make something like 20mil in a friendly.

I had the same problem and took over a new club

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Originally Posted by Amane Ito

At that level nearly all of the income came from ticket sales and mechandise. Adjust your ticket price to get the most out of it.

If you don't have cup and CL to play try to make some friendly matchs for additional income. I guess you can make something like 20mil in a friendly.

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boy do you have an answer to everything dont you? You would think after 37 seasons he would have already figured out what you have told him and now since that isnt enough, he comes here to ask EXPERIENCED people what they think he should do. I have seen countless posts of this issue and the answer is always to play friendlies.

But that is not his main concern. It seems that Nordeus, in its infinite wisdom, has decided to abandon the higher level players and severly handicap them financially. Quit or buy tokens is the advice by ElPocho, and it really is not far off from that.

Think about it Amane, the bread and butter of nordeus income is most likely the levels 1-10 with the inexperience causing a huge amount of tokens to be purchased. I would assume that at level 37, not many tokens are purchased by anyone and if they are, one would also have to assume that they would not be experiencing this same problem that Lorenzo is.

So I think reddeviljohn has a good idea...take over a new club. but you lose all your trophies you worked towards for the past 4 years.

Friendlies seems to be a solution but that only solves the financial situation. At level 18 I can only charge $13 for a friendly and that nets me ~$5M per friendly. Anything more than $13 and I lose attendance from 260000. I dont know what Lorenzo can charge but even at $40 he might make ~$12-15M. and even at level 18 I had to sack 2 players who would not sell and that cost me $15M combined just to let them go, not to mention the cost of purchasing them in the first place, which would have been over $50-75M each at some point.

I believe the issue is that you can buy players but cant sell and that is always going to cost you mega $$$$. The amount of friendlies you would have to play to make up for sacking a player should be around 10, and in that 10 games, how many injuries would that cost you and how many green packs would you waste?

This is why I have a problem with your answers...you dont go into any depth or detail. You come across as the expert without saying anything that you couldnt search and find on this site a hundred times already. The guy, Lorenzo, is LEVEL 37! and you are?

Harsh Sully, I have a team at level 31 and money is a major problem. If you have enough tokens you can go to the bank, if not then I agree friendlies is the only real option to get your money up. Wages always outway your income and I am losing 20M a day. I am fortunate that I have saved green rests so I can use friendlies and get my players up to match condition and gain income but I cannot buy or sell players as my team is made up of old players just about to retire. This issue needs addressing by Nordeus as many, many players who have played for years are either giving up or taking over other teams. Why should I have to abandon a team that I have nurtured for 5 years just because Nordeus say that my expenditure far outways my income by their rules. It is so unfair on loyal players.

I have not yet reached the state that revenues cannot cover expenses. But I notice that this day clearly approaching, especially when increase of player values on quality up started to slow down. Player sales proceeds is the last type of revenue with prominent increase on level up. Although both player values affect both player buying and selling, these have larger effect on player sales because we have young academy players for sales.

I think building large stadium as early as possible is the only way to help the team sustain for longer time. If stadium is not built when a team's finance is healthy, this team may have no ability to build full stadium.

Good luck to high level managers. I cannot imagine any solution to team finance without investment in high level.

I agree the financials are just about impossible when you reach high level (30+) I am not there yet but I can see it coming. I have been trying to figure it out, and the math just doesn't work when the players salaries are so high and their values so low. I have been buying my youth products when possible cos their pay is a bit lower and they cost no $, and I think it helps a little. Use the freebies for bench or sell. On just a level 21 team I had to sell guys to keep afloat too, it's only in League with NO win bonus and still bleeding $$. When not in CL or Cup pretty much only a minimum squad is viable :(

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Originally Posted by Cat Harrison

I agree the financials are just about impossible when you reach high level (30+) I am not there yet but I can see it coming. I have been trying to figure it out, and the math just doesn't work when the players salaries are so high and their values so low. I have been buying my youth products when possible cos their pay is a bit lower and they cost no $, and I think it helps a little. Use the freebies for bench or sell. On just a level 21 team I had to sell guys to keep afloat too, it's only in League with NO win bonus and still bleeding $$. When not in CL or Cup pretty much only a minimum squad is viable :(

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I fully agree. At level 19, I always carefully monitor the financial situation. I can still pay some win bonuses, but I review it before every match according to both expected match prize & importance of the match. In case incoming negotiation offers are good in terms of cash & tokens, I accepted some of them even if the players are in good form. I often aware that in average I can get a new player through auction through spending 3 tokens. I still keep large roster because the team is still competing in both league & CL. But I should sell some players in case I was knocked out in CL or hopeless to stay top 4 in league to save cash. I often check 3* auction market for non-retiring free agents for buying & selling. Unluckily I only notice one such player in this half season and missed chance to get him. Furthermore, I also aware of the stadium upgrade progress, consider if future upgrade will be afforded and plan for cash flow for construction.

I also run a level 11 team, financially it is much easier to run. But I have already begun to pay win bonus carefully, and build stadium as far as possible.

So here's my budget for BvB:
119,860,000 approx season income from tix & merch (7,020,000 tix/match, 2,200,000 merch avg.)
43,420,000 League match money
37,800,000 Sponsorship
179,000,000 sale of Youth

380,080,000
-436,200,000 (361,200,000 wages/season, 75,000,000 win bonuses)
-56,120,000

43,200,000 CL group prizes
30,240,000 CL group tix
6,000,000 merch

79,440,000
-5,250,000 win bonuses

74,190,000
-56,120,000
18,070,000 season profit.

So I would need 30-40 friendlies to break even if i wasnt in CL. :rolleyes:

I am still in CL, so will have a good chunk to cover next season wages, I have a BILLION! (yeah I just got there) in the bank so I have leeway. I do think my continual building and using the youth facility have helped my budget. I could conceivably raise ticket prices but I like a full house. Friendlies I only charge 5$

Bonus in League is set to 3.75 and the CL.... 875k...oh yeah!

My L19 team just won an important league match. But paying special maximum 15M win bonus hurt my bank balance. Now it reduces to 25M. Usually, getting profit in a match is put in higher priority. So I seldom pay big bonus like this. Now my team should be more financially conservative.

For this team, good performance affect financial situation. Keeping more players for rotation increases payroll. More win bonus was paid as a result of winning more matches. Paying two matches per day made my player too tired for friendly matches to earn cash.

Now the chance for further upgrade the stadium is more remote.

Absolutely any team over level 15ish should think about selling off some people if not in CL or Cup, have a minimum squad to try to keep wages low, as well as playing friendlies rather than training when possible.

My League bonus was 875k forever, I hadn't changed it for like 10 seasons then a few seasons ago in a hard League I upped it... and REGRET. Nope, didn't help and that season I didn't promote so double whammy no CL or League money.
It won't go lower so I think next season they won't even get lunch money. :D

And I will continue to scour the TL for FA's under 25, though they are once in a blue moon.

to date my finances are

player`s wages 378 million

money in

ticket sales - 286 mil ( including 3/4 friendlies a day as only play league match a day )
sponsership - 20.8 million ( 1.39 daily )
comp prize - 24.1 mil
merchandise - 99.9

total 430.8 but it would not be this if i never played 3/4 friendlies a day as only play 1 game a day so a small profit thanks to friendlies of 52.8 million but if i had 2 games a day then i would not play friendlies but rely on selling player`s Via neg list to compensate for wages loss but if they bring this Auto assign of skill point`s in then i lose out on earning money and they (Nordeus) lose out on earning tokens because they get a cut of neg list so player`s won`t spent on more tokens because there will be no point in having a neg list

I'm level 23 and I always keep my win bonus at max, and keep my floating cash above 1.6b. I actually paid more bonus than wage last season.

I haven't played friendly this season yet but last season at L22 I could charge $17 friendly tickets against Mourinho.

Then yeah I can raise my tickets for sure! That will help.

Do you keep a large Squad? I have full one on BvB, but its cash-strapped punchbag a level down has minimum, and is still barely making even.

And I only keep one GK, with a pile of reds on hand to save that extra useless salary.

Level 32
Stadium 260,000
$60 entrance $15.6M per home game
wages$ 32.4M per day
Sponsorship $33.9M per season
$1.85M per game prize money
Merchandise $4.8M per home game

so far this season
Ticket sales 109M
Sponsorship 33.9M
Prizes 26.3M
Merchandise 34.2M
Wages 527M

Balance -323.6M and only half way through season, no CL or cup

This is without playing friendlies, but at what level do people set their ticket prices for friendlies

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Originally Posted by Staggy Stagg

Level 32
Stadium 260,000
$60 entrance $15.6M per home game
wages$ 32.4M per day
Sponsorship $33.9M per season
$1.85M per game prize money
Merchandise $4.8M per home game

so far this season
Ticket sales 109M
Sponsorship 33.9M
Prizes 26.3M
Merchandise 34.2M
Wages 527M

Balance -323.6M and only half way through season, no CL or cup

This is without playing friendlies, but at what level do people set their ticket prices for friendlies

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i set ticket prize for friendlies at 17 and average around 5 mill a friendly

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Originally Posted by Cat Harrison

Then yeah I can raise my tickets for sure! That will help.

Do you keep a large Squad? I have full one on BvB, but its cash-strapped punchbag a level down has minimum, and is still barely making even.

And I only keep one GK, with a pile of reds on hand to save that extra useless salary.

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Salary isn't useless if you use it to train young players. Keep him on the nego list, train special ability and sell him for tokens and profit.
A 19 or 20y with SA and 1p from 6* is very popular, you can easily get some 3 token offer and up to 20 tokens if you were lucky.

If you don't have 20 players check out for 20-under free agents, train and use them as subs and sell them after you built them attractively.
Can't afford players in the market? Get your token young he is an expansive fast trainer that cost no money to sign. You can always sell him later.

22slots for a team is not enough for me. I wish I could have something like 30...

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Originally Posted by Amane Ito

Salary isn't useless if you use it to train young players. Keep him on the nego list, train special ability and sell him for tokens and profit.
A 19 or 20y with SA and 1p from 6* is very popular, you can easily get some 3 token offer and up to 20 tokens if you were lucky.

If you don't have 20 players check out for 20-under free agents, train and use them as subs and sell them after you built them attractively.
Can't afford players in the market? Get your token young he is an expansive fast trainer that cost no money to sign. You can always sell him later.

22slots for a team is not enough for me. I wish I could have something like 30...

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your first comment about sign young player`s and keep neg, well if you read my post this is what i do BUT if Nordeus insist on bringing in this auto assign of skill point`s then this will be IMPOSSIBLE and i lose out on extra finance via neg list too pay my wages and they ( NORDEUS ) lose OUT on token as they get cut which also means player`s won`t buy tokens as neg list will be useless

If we can't use the nego list then we will have to start selling him when he reach 4 or 9q
You still get profit, just not as much as it used to be.

My suggestion on the suggestion section specificially address it, by automatically capping the stars of all players unless a manager allow the advance of the next star on that player. It is simple to implement but they won't do it I guess.

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Originally Posted by Amane Ito

If we can't use the nego list then we will have to start selling him when he reach 4 or 9q
You still get profit, just not as much as it used to be.

My suggestion on the suggestion section specificially address it, by automatically capping the stars of all players unless a manager allow the advance of the next star on that player. It is simple to implement but they won't do it I guess.

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at higher level there are very few bidding wars in the last 4 seasons i`v seen one BUT we will also lose out on tokens with Neg list gone as i want to recoup some of the tokens i spent on player i`m selling and spend get a replacement in, with this update we are no longer managing or our OWN TEAM OR PLAYER`S

edit; also at higher level there are no decent free agent`s to sign too help finance and when free agent`s do come up they are 32+ yrs olds so no point in signing as they are likely too retire at the end of the season

Well some higher levels teams that keep a full roster do just sack their youth, but it is really rare compared to the oldsters.. early levels they are easier to find but now everyone but a handful of teams signs & sells them.

I rather think they are going to change tje criteria for Negotiations because yeah it follows with auto assign there would be hardly any eligible players


I totally agree about Youths~! I meant having a 2nd GK mostly useless. :)

I play always almost to THE end in all competitions but even then i lose many money today i must buy money else i go in debt very strange. They must do something About it


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Originally Posted by Fc bal op t dak

I play always almost to THE end in all competitions but even then i lose many money today i must buy money else i go in debt very strange. They must do something About it


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A team with nothing but superstars would be bankrupt by now.

It is only logical that a team like that could only lose money not earn. Quality limit is supposed to make the game more competitive.
And of course if you got a team full of 8~9* you always lose money. You are bypassing the limits of the quality you can field by spending tokens, which your opponents could also do.

So at the highest level it is a money war between heavy spenders. For a slight advantage in quality, the amount of token you need to spend is exponential. It all boil down to how desperate you are wanting to win.

Instead with a team of players 4* average you should be earning money if you adjust the ticket price properly. Even with only league and one friendly a day you should not be losing money.

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Originally Posted by Amane Ito

A team with nothing but superstars would be bankrupt by now.

It is only logical that a team like that could only lose money not earn. Quality limit is supposed to make the game more competitive.
And of course if you got a team full of 8~9* you always lose money. You are bypassing the limits of the quality you can field by spending tokens, which your opponents could also do.

So at the highest level it is a money war between heavy spenders. For a slight advantage in quality, the amount of token you need to spend is exponential. It all boil down to how desperate you are wanting to win.

Instead with a team of players 4* average you should be earning money if you adjust the ticket price properly. Even with only league and one friendly a day you should not be losing money.

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last comment hog wash; even if lower ticket price with wages it makes no difference, i want too keep best player`s even if i have too renew contract`s prize money does reflect on levels

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Originally Posted by Cat Harrison

Well some higher levels teams that keep a full roster do just sack their youth, but it is really rare compared to the oldsters.. early levels they are easier to find but now everyone but a handful of teams signs & sells them.

I rather think they are going to change tje criteria for Negotiations because yeah it follows with auto assign there would be hardly any eligible players


I totally agree about Youths~! I meant having a 2nd GK mostly useless. :)

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again last comment i signed non token GK and trained to 1 skill away from next star and am still in shock i got max 20 token offer, HELL NO am i rejecting but Nordeus also got a big chuck with tokens and now they are screwing neg bids up as these player`s BUY TOKENS