New player training help

Is training pointless unless you want 8* or 9* and are personal trainers pointless full stop?

If you need a 5* player isn't it best to buy one?

If you need a 6* player isn't it best to buy a 5* with 24 quality and then use a green pack or 2 to train him to 6*? I've watched dozens of auctions for young 5* aprox 24 quality players and normally they go for between 1 and 3 tokens. Highest I saw was 5 tokens.

If you need a 7* player isn't it best to buy a 6* scout for 64 tokens and use a green pack or 2 to train him to 7* Even trading tokens for cash it still must be cheaper

Is there ever a time before 7* for training, beyond a few skill points to gain a star? Is there ever a time for personal training?

To gain 75 skill points must cost 50-75+ green packs? That would cost 46-70+ tokens assuming no injuries.

With training theres no cash needed but watching adverts can get you 80k to 120k a day and money seems to be easier to get and more useful than green packs.

Am I missing something. I see stuff about power training and dont get the point? Any info would be great as I must be missing something.

Thanks

It is always best to buy players closest to 6 stars, and no it is NEVER wise to use personal trainer. It will always be cheaper to power train your player.

As soon as a player pases 6 star his progress will be drastical reduced and even more 7 and 8 If you go so far. In my opinion it would be a waste of Tokens.

I have no profe but I think the progress is reduced by 50 % for each star you progres. this makes it very expencive to get higher than 7 star players

Power training is repeatedly training using green packs. It is most useful on younger players and the 3* is faster gain than 4* and so on like mentioned above.

But it can be useful to give extra training to players you want to keep longer in your team.

Personal training is only useful if you have a whole lot of tokens.

Hi thanks Gert and Cat. As I've only been playing a few days I've stupidly spent quite a few Million on 5* players who are 75 skill points from 6*. Is it worth training them to 6* or try and sell them on and buy players who are a few skill points from 6*. They're all 18 and only cost 1 token (probably as no one else wanted someone 75 points from the next *). But the attacking players can't stop scoring. Played 3 games and won 5-0, 3-0 and 5-0. Obv I don't want to sell them, but at some point are they going to be useless as its not worth training?

Thanks

I would keep your players for awhile, see how they do, and only sell the guys that aren't performing. A five star player is very good, you don't need all Scouts if you just started playing. Don't spend a bunch on T until you have played awhile and get the hang of how it works. I made the mistake of improving my team too much early on and I've never been in my own level Cup.

Any young player is valuable for low level, you should keep them at least until they stop constantly producing good rating.

If you keep them for 2 seasons and sell them third year you will end up with several times more cash than you paid for them the whole time.

Yes, like already said :D
buy 18-19 yeared, and buy the most expencive ones, because they progress fastest. I can't remember the prices at this level, but if two players have compareable skills and one of them is more expencive, then he will train faster.

Hope this helps you to some of your many questions

If a player scores all the time, so for the love of ... keep him, I wish I had a player like that ;) In the end, goals is what gives you the points :cool:

You raise a whole host of issues that can be answered from a lot of different perspectives. I'll only try to answer the ones that jump out at me, from my perspective.

For me Power Training is about speed. It gets the SP gains over a shorter period of time. I don't do it - I don't count a quick burst of 25 sp as power training. ;) (I only do this short burst now because the mobile app allows it so easily.)

Fast trainers, not necessarily power trained, again for me, are about longevity. To make training really worth it your player must improve from season to season while they can. That means them gaining more than 75sp per season. If you are prepared to buy new players each season then it probably makes no sense.

I can only give an example. At the start of this Season I carried over 4 young Defenders. 1 was an 18 yo signed last season as a 79Q Nordgen. He's now 91Q 7*. I also had 2 that are now 22yo. 1 is 89Q (over 200 games), the other just turned 90Q (nearly 200 games). I had a 4th who was 23 yo who I knew was probably going to be sold and I had kept him at 84Q - and he was sold. These players, if good performers, can play over 200 games for my team. I could keep them longer, if they still perform, but I prefer to start again.

Thats why I invest some farmed green packs in them at 18 yo. I'm not saying this is right, that I am great or you should do it but its what I do.

Another aspect is resale value. If you buy near the next star players and they increase their Q then you want them to be the same 'near next star' Q. So the slower they gain the longer that will take or else you'll be trying to sell the players that you wouldn't ordinarily want to buy.

However, I also buy 'near *' players who are cheap without a thought for age or value or training. I'm prepared to repeatedly buy n sell for some positions, chasing only the performance I want and ignoring all of the above.

For me this just cuts down on the TM activity I need to do at the start of the Season and I can wait a bit longer.

Yes, some good comments here.
My 2 cents/pence.
Avoid buying scouts (since the new system) like the plague.
Power training is the way to go, but only when you have convinced yourself, he is a fast trainer/I want to keep him/ He has some good time remaining on contract. Power Training as Cat described is way faster on new system.
Avoid Personal Training like the plague.
I myself buy young very high 3's & 8's for a few reasons, less T wars, less likely that it is a more experienced player just flogging their 4's & 9's. But if you want Top end 5* wait till S4 for Negotiation. Now scout buys are useless, IMO best way if you are time poor.
I mistakenly bought 100 T mid way through S1 & S2. Not for 16 seasons and I survive with 5 & 6* now Nord or mainly from Negotiation and have a combined results of 972W-186D-219L.
These 'legends' with their 9* players have been "owned' when they play 35T league.
You have done some good math Southampton and have some sound advice above from highly respected members.
The law of diminishing returns definitely applies n T11.
Hope you do well.

Thought I'd pick up on sp gain through the stars. The following is based on average figures, regardless of condition or morale, conducted over at least 20 repetitions of each training type at heach * (except for 4* data as the next star came after around 15 reps).

In summary I found, at the time I did the tests, that training gains dropped around 20-25% through the stars.

Training Log - Intensity = Hard

Baxter 15T Academy Player MV 37Q=7.3; 46Q=12.7; 47Q=13.5
4* 47/96/140
5* 36/75/116 - %age change from previous star = 78/78/83
6* 29/58/89 - %age change from previous star = 79/77/76

Mackay 5* Market purchase MV 43Q=10.9; 46Q=12.9; 48Q=14.2
5*45/71/115
6* 28/60/88 - %age change from previous star = 69/80/77

Hutton 5* NordGen MV 45Q=10.2; 46Q=10.6; 47Q=11.4
5* 38/79/117
6* 28/59/87 - %age change from previous star = 74/75/74

McGrain 5* Market MV 44Q=10.6
5* 35/76/120

Gemmill 5* NordGen MV 47Q=12.3
6* 33/67/103

On the Personal Trainer, its not for me. If my time was so tight that I needed to resort to it then it'd be too tight to be playing. ;) I'd only be doing it if Kynan found a way to send me 10k T and even then I'd probably just spam on the mobile.

And ofc picking up old guys can sometimes mean picking up ex-Scouts or players that've had an intensive training.

I took a punt on the following guy this Season (because I was playing ST as winger at Day1). He started 84Q and he'll probably finish 84Q but he's been worth the 1T and cash paid already.

http://i57.tinypic.com/whiq0x.jpg

I train to be competitive. My leagues are usually 6-7* and I'm never the highest Q (with last 2 seasons being an exception).

Just find a way that suits your available time, aspirations and competition. There are many ways to entertained and frustrated by the game.

Some really great info guys!

Thanks Buffs for the detailed numbers, and sharing your One Season Wonder.. I got one of those old guys on one of my teams, he's 32 I think and he'll be a Two Season Wonder since he hit 6* this season..

But he has no resale value, and so I have to save up to replace him.. as he's an attacking winger finding a replacement isn't easy, so I am happy I have another season to look.

The young newly generated players are the fastest training, but the "hot prospects" can be a good deal if you find one with their attributes added as you like, because the generated ones are all fairly even, with maybe a point difference. So if I see a 21 who's really expensive I'll look at his skills to see if I want him.

Top 11 it’s a game that you can play with many ways.
Also, all those forum friends have a personal way of playing that game. It depends from the time and the money everyone has to spend and from a personal “libra” between having fun and going for success & titles/ with my skills and knowledge or with extra sources.
(Southampton vs Man.City or Athletic Bilbao vs Real Madrid).
Don’t expect to understand everything in a few days, those friends (and more that are willing to give answers) spent over 1.000 hours in the game or in the forum. :p

So many answers have to do from the point of view a forum friend has.
Opinions about fast trainers, academy players, scout/list players, power training, quality or form …
Some answers are more simple and clear, some not.

Ok, and some advices from me :)
If you have bought T, don’t spend them :
- For speeding up facilities
- For scout/list players (not yet and specially if you don’t go deeper in formation & tactics – a team 1*-2* better q can easily be eliminated by this).
- For (many) young fast trainers, specially if you don’t have green & reds to support them
- At bidding wars for players when you don’t know well how some things are working.
- And of course for personal trainer.

If you feel that you have made mistakes, you can also go back in the beginning through a take over of a new club.
In that case you ‘ll take your Tokens, boosters and premium jerseys (so be careful with that) but not money, players or titles.

For sure, your approach/philosophy about the game affects how you build your team, and there are indeed many ways to successfully play this game.

Oh, and those awesome training youngsters cause bidding wars after people have played awhile, they start to look for those, so they can go for more like 20 or 30 rounds. I hate bidding wars, I do prefer to spend my T on greens, so I look for guys less close to their next star, but then, I like to keep them awhile, I won't replace many players each season, except the first few where turnover is higher to generate $. In early levels buying Free Agents is a good way to make money by reselling them, and some are worth keeping.
I tend to sell in the first week and buy after the first week to avoid wasting T in wars, but I also know I have no chance in the Cup.

Improve your team enough to compete in the competitions you want to win, but keep in mind that Cup is based on Q, so if you have 5 star average top 14, you will be in a Cup with levels above you. If you have a more average team, your Cup draw will be better.

my level 2 team, which survives on in-game 35T only:

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Ruiz, Morales, Simal and Rodriguez came with the team.

The other guys with 2 years I got last season, Ghaloom & Koch were FA's I kept.
I just lost in Cup, but am still in CL with it.
If you only want to compete in League, you can keep a much shorter squad.


Yes don't waste T on speeding up building or personal trainer, I think we all agree on that..
unless you have a ton of Tokens, then as you like. :D

Wow thanks for the replies, some great knowledge here. I've been playing for 7 days now as I got a token bonus I think from "sponsorship", but there's still soo much to learn.

I think what confuses me is that I get 8 green packs every 24 hours for watching adverts but I get 50 to 100 tokens in the space of an hour or two/three (depending on the games available to install and run). I downloaded a game yesterday and got 59 tokens after I reached level 5, which took 30 minutes. I suppose what confuses me is that tokens are everywhere free and can be used to do anything, yet green packs are like rocking horse **** and are needed in the 100's to be of any use.

Do token adverts dry up? If not I may as well collect 50-100 free tokens a day and within a week or 2 I could have an entire 7* starting XI. It feels like I'm missing something. If it takes 75 green packs to make a 4* player a 5* player it would take me a week and a half to advance 1* on 1 player :/

One last question. Why is player form on the contract different to player form in the squad menu. When I check the form of the players in the squad it doesn't match what is shown under the stats section of the contract.

Cheers!

P.S Loving this game

Yes, there are only so many offers. Be careful with it, they don't instal malware exactly, but some annoying adware.

The first handful of seasons use your tokens as sparingly as you can. Build up all your boosters as much as you can with videos. I only ever watch vids for blues...

Only a tiny bit of extra training every so often is enough for the faster guys to hold their Q.

The form stats will match at day start. Friendlies only show on the squad menu. The player card has them in which competition.

If you have a starting 11 @ 7 next season your Cup opps will be three levels above you.

Ohh fudge. My rating is 16.7 and everyone else in my leavue is 12.5-13.3

Have I fudged things up? lol :(

Oh and I've ignored the friendlies and the form now links up perfectly. Thanks for that, it didn't even cross my mind that it included the friendlies I've played :)

well, you will face some higher level teams in Cup.. makes a triple pretty much the hardest achievement.

Just don't go nuts and make them all scouts...

A mix of 3-5* can win too.

Always be building but never use tokens for it, your facilties generate more boosters & $ as you upgrade them.

if you haven't already read some of our http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...ls-guides.html :D