I've only lost 3 games all season - all against teams playing 4-4-2 and with bang average squads. I don't employ that formation. I play 4-3-1-2 and upto now I'm walking the league, but seemingly have little answer against 4-4-2.
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I've only lost 3 games all season - all against teams playing 4-4-2 and with bang average squads. I don't employ that formation. I play 4-3-1-2 and upto now I'm walking the league, but seemingly have little answer against 4-4-2.
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I'd say your formation is still fine if you put blue arrows on the STs and red arrows on wing backs when facing 442, but it also depend on team orders.
There are so many counters against 442 anyway...
I don't use wingbacks. Nor was that what I asked.
I've been using 442 with AML/AMR aka Hexagon for most seasons, I find it very effective and better for scoring.
1st are the players individually, in Q. terms, and how they are proggrammed of well, 2nd the formation.
Strong formations, that for me mean stable formations are formations with 4 defenses, and in ma ranking are the 4-3-3, 4-3-1-2, and of course, I dont use it, but 4-4-2 is one strong formation.
By my viewpoint 4 defenders + lot of people in the other side of the field to create how more posible options in attack is te key.
And till here my opinion lol.
I prefer 4-5-1 V-Style
Its a natural counter to 4-4-2 and a few other often used formations
Also its quickly changed to a more attacking 4-2-2-2 Hexagon with a single sub.
There is no "best" formation but personally it's the one that makes me spending more time to think about my formation and to examine mine and oppo players.
I don't have a lot of variation as I tend to be a 4-4-2 lover as well, but when up against a strong team that can hurt me that plays 4-4-2, I've used a 4-1-4-1 to good effect.
I don't think there is an ideal formation. Many managers have plans to counter 4-4-2. But I think 4-4-2 is a balanced formation and I recommend to use this if a manager want to take a rest and will not log in to play for a period.
I like using 4-4-2 because it used to be easy to avoid illegal formation. Besides,the formation can be maintained in balance even if I made some in match changes. Some usual variations includes pushing wings forward, using DMC/AMC instead of ST/MC/DC, moving the DL or DR to DC, etc.
I use 3-4-3, and i like it, but i sometimes use....
3,5,2
2,2,4,2
2,1,4,3
Today I had a CH.L. final playing against a 4-4-2 so I 'll give an example.
First of all, I set 4 defenders, with the best quality and the better latest performances.
Then I checked my MC and oppo MCs. I had only 1 (of 3) MC in a good form so I prefer to use only this one, set my wingers who are in a good form and add a DMC.
DMC is a very useful tool even if the game usually doesn't give him good rates (6 is the most common) but he helps a lot in midf and defense.
I also checked oppo MCs and I saw that they didn't have great rates.
If I had another good MC and AMC maybe I would use a 4-1-2-1-2 narrow diamond so overpowered him from the center.
Finally my only MC did better job from his MCs and I got the center :)
After 1-0 we both changed formations, I used a 4-2-1-2w-1 def/counters and he set a 4-3w-3. Then I was just defending and strike him back with counters.
When my MC got a yellow card I feared for a second one but I risked because a sub could destroy my game :p
So, it's not only a counter formation but players performance and coaching too.
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I also heard many managers like using 4-1-2-1-2 narrow diamond to counter 4-4-2 and understand that they aim at overpower through center. However, at the same time, I also wonder if the 4-4-2 team can overpower them in the wing positions.
My teams' formations are based on 4-4-2. When I found the opponent is strong and especially in center, I always turn the arrow of one of my MC to blue. Then I will observe the match and determine if I will change the focus passing to down both flanks. Sometimes I will start DMC instead of a MC. But my teams do not always have DMC.
I am very cautious against formations strong in the middle. But so far I did not note obvious disadvantage or advantage due to formation.
PS. For information, I just found that one of my team was recently defeated by a slightly lower average quality and 1 league position lower opponent who use 4-1-2-1-2 narrow.
you 're right, that's why it's very important to have 2 good winger backs to confront them (without the help of your M-AM).Quote:
I also heard many managers like using 4-1-2-1-2 narrow diamond to counter 4-4-2 and understand that they aim at overpower through center. However, at the same time, I also wonder if the 4-4-2 team can overpower them in the wing positions.
A kind of man to man.
because it's a combination with good players (quality and form). Although I 've noticed an obvious advantage using my (good) wingers against a 3DC defense.Quote:
I am very cautious against formations strong in the middle. But so far I did not note obvious disadvantage or advantage due to formation.
i think 4-4-2 is a very good formation as 4-3N-3 or 4-1-3N-2 !
And 4-5-1 V style is not a natural counter formation of 4-4-2 as i read before in this topic , i would say that i sometimes use 4-4-2 against 4-5-1 V and it works very well cause AML and AMR are marked by DL-ML and DR-MR ...
To counter a 4-4-2 you don't need DMC , but AMC is a good option !
4-4-2 is very very good for people who don't want to think at each formation which formation can counter this one or this one , in another word it's a very good formation to play during all the season especially for people who don't see all their matchs in live !
I've always played 4-4-2 as it has a great balance of attack and defence.
I think it depends on what players you have in your team. I purposefully look for players that will fit in the 4-4-2 mould as that is the way I like to play. The only exception to that is I will have 1 player who can play AMC so I can move to a 4-4-1-1 if needed, but other than that I NEVER change from 4-4-2.
I'm level 27 now and I don't think I've ever used a player in the DML/DMR or AML/AMR spots other than when rotating in friendlies. I've seen lots of other managers mess up their teams and runs by trying to come up with clever formations or use formations to counter other people, where as I've always stuck to my guns and kept it simple. It seems to have worked for me.
There is no doubt for me that 442 has the best pitch coverage of all formations. Therefore it doesnt have any obvious weaknesses. The point some poster said there's so many counters for 442, kinda proves my point. The best counter will be the formation your team plays best IMO.
Having said that, the only formation that would make me change my 442 is another weaker 442. For some reason the game benefits the weaker side in these situations. So, if you're weaker, then perhaps 442 is your best counter vs 442.
442 is one formation where i find myself changing what I use from season to season. In the hands of a good manager it offers many options and is an excellent Def c-a formation too, both middle, flanks or mixed.
Previously I've used 451v, a defensive c-a 442, and more recently 3142, but without 2 good strikers this season I went back to 451v and with 'hot' wingers its been a joy.
I've tried 3412 and other options with an AMC but didn't have much consistency - my fault, as I never really have a dedicated AMC.
When my team is good I love playing 442 - when we're a bit off I get indecisive, try to be clever, and a fail is just around the corner.
Like others have said, play to your strengths.
PS. When I had a c-a~every~match alt team, which used 442, the only formation I got nervous about facing was WD.
I use a 3-1-3-3 an i am fine i didn't see any foum for my formation Just think that your owning a real madrid/barcelona to guide and set your formation with a true spirit you may win any one.And with that i am no.1 in thw league
Are you playing narrow or width? Bt seriously i dont think i will have a problem facing team like that with 3142 or 451v be it real madrid or barcalona😃.
I dnt know bout you but whenever i play oppo with 3 striker i always notice only 1 will be effective the other 2 will have low rating or not effective. Maybe yours effective i dont know✌
Weird, but all the losses that I've suffered this season are against 4-4-2. It seems to be too good for my 4-5-1V [emoji14]
4-5-1v is also my primary formation now. However, when my team face 4-4-2, I usually use a MC to replace the DMC. Actually, I only use a DMC if opponent have a AMC in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arion
According to my league record, both my teams use 4-5-1v for over 30% and 4-3-2(AMR/AML)-1 for over 60% of the matches. So far so good.
But I still think both 4-4-2 and 4-5-1v are best formation for inactive teams.
I have always conceded first against 4-4-2, so swap the generally poor form DMC for an ST. Yes, the ST scores. I guess I'll now have to start with my previously favorite hexagon against 4-4-2Quote:
Originally Posted by cookizzz
Every formation is strong in its own way.It also depend what quality your players have.
I have one rival in the league who played with 4-4-2, and literally won all the home games, he beat me 2-1 and it was the only loss I had in the league, even though I dominated the game with 4-5-1V, but then the way game I challenged myself and thought I will still play with the same formation as the first game except with the right tactics, and I played on his weak points, and I won 4-2, now me and him are on top of the league with only 1 game lost and I am on top with goal difference.
So I would say 4-4-2 is really overpowered but you can still win over it.
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for myself against the 4-4-2 formation i either go 4-1-4-1 or 4-5-1v which is best as its so versatile with a couple of arrows .for your game id go 4-5-1 defensive with long and counter on,flanks,low pressure blue arrow on Dmc red on your wingers AML/AMR like i have my team set up below,i hope this helps
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4-4-2 its very good with the right players, and as narrow diamond can surprise any team strong, but its not the best formation, I still think counter formation and right orders are the best, that's how I play for few seasons and so far it had been very successful.
I always believe 4-5-1v is the formation which places players most evenly in the field. However, after implementation of live matches, I believe that midfield have become more important area because the ball now really always passes through it. As there are 4 midfielders in 4-4-2, I prefer to push up a the DMC to MC to enhance control of midfield. As such, my formation changes from 4-5-1v to 4-3-2(AMR/AML)-1 in this situation. I am not sure if this theory is correct. But my 2 teams are really hot recently with these strategies that except 1 loss and 1 draw of my L23 team, they won all matches in all competitions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arion
It's definitely not the strongest formation this season. That honour would go to 413n2. 442 is easy to beat with a short central passing formation.
Now 4-1-3n-2 has weak (virtually no) wings and my fullbacks can run into the space, paired up with my wingers they'll destroy the opponent. That's why I tend to keep the fullbacks more or less balanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoofDaddy
No 4-3-3 because my league's top player is playing with this only
also 4-1-2-2-1.....saw this formation mostly
And my league's top player never losses
as the England manager saying ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7hEqCdAwjs
Thank you for bringing up the 4-3-2-1 formation to my attention. (I like saying it: "4-3-2-1", go!) I won two games in a row with it. One was a close one against the team (in my league) that previously knocked me out of the Cup. They play 4-4-2. The other was against the last place team playing 4-1-3N-2. Not sure if my formation was a great match for it, but it may not have mattered based on quality difference. I passed down flanks and won easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by cookizzz
Now I am up against a 4-4-1-1. Would you move one DC up for a 3W-1-3-2(AML/AMR)-1 to counter his AMC? His offense seems underpowered, but wing midfielders are a threat in any formation with right ordres. Or should I keep it simple with 4-3-2-1? The match will probably be over by the time you (or anyone) read this. It's just that since 4-3-2-1 is new to me, I want to really figure out how to use/modify it. I don't have a good feel for orders for this particular matchup, so going with mixed/mixed. I would go down the middle since he is weak there, but my strength is on the wings, so down the middle doesn't seem to make sense. Up arrows on AML, AMR (always), DL and DR (almost always). DC and DMC will have to hold the fort. Perhaps down arrow on DMC.
If I have 1 millions packs I will train my team to all 9 star players and play illegal formation to beat all formations LOL
BTW the formation is 1-4-3-2-1. The first is the one who decides then game, yet everyone forgets him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ponzu
Coming back, 4-3-2-1 is what Barça tends to play, evolving from 4-3-3, with MSN in the front. Keeping mind tiki taka, passing mixed and short, attacking and high press would be dangerous. Red arrows on fullback has been de facto on any formation. I will try it out next season.
What/who is MSN? This is the second time I read it today and I have no idea.
An Argentinian
An Uruguayan
A Brazilian
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Originally Posted by ponzu
Messi, someone and Neymar. Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teda
That someone, I guess, you know very well but don't wanna type with you fingers haha :D — SuarezQuote:
Originally Posted by ponzu
Mind you I'm not a Barça fan, I just like their playstyle
