Fast/slow trainers

There's a lot of talk about players who are fast or slow trainers, and clearly faster trainers are more beneficial than slower ones; but I'm wondering how fast a players growth can be?

Here's a print screen of my team after everyone did a normal intensity stretching training session. Obviously  dos Santos Moura is the clubs fastest trainer, and S El Quabbani is the slowest, and it's no surprise with those two considering the 12 year age gap, but C de Oliveira Costa is the youngest and he's a fairly slow trainer.

I think I heard somewhere that the players quality also affects their training speed, but again I'm not too sure how it works.

What's the highest growth you've seen of a player, and how do you think this could be improved?

Cheers! :D

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Side-note, ignore the horrible formation that I've currently set up; I've already won the league so I'm just playing the players with the least morale to boost it a bit :p

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Originally Posted by Fail G

There's a lot of talk about players who are fast or slow trainers, and clearly faster trainers are more beneficial than slower ones; but I'm wondering how fast a players growth can be?

Here's a print screen of my team after everyone did a normal intensity stretching training session. Obviously  dos Santos Moura is the clubs fastest trainer, and S El Quabbani is the slowest, and it's no surprise with those two considering the 12 year age gap, but C de Oliveira Costa is the youngest and he's a fairly slow trainer.

I think I heard somewhere that the players quality also affects their training speed, but again I'm not too sure how it works.

What's the highest growth you've seen of a player, and how do you think this could be improved?

Cheers! :D

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Side-note, ignore the horrible formation that I've currently set up; I've already won the league so I'm just playing the players with the least morale to boost it a bit :p

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I haven't study how the fastest trainer can be. My current fastest trainer is 18 years old and gains +19.2 in average for normal sketching exercise. He should easily gain 100+ through high intensity practice match. Your  dos Santos Moura is just a slight above average trainer.

It's true that young players are generally faster in training but it is not difficult to find some 18 years old slow trainers. In low levels, you can easily notice them as their market price is significantly lower than other players at same age. There is no way to improve training efficiency of players. The efficiency will drop when a player move up to new star level. Fast trainers are not necessarily good players. They may quickly grow and poorly perform. Slow trainers can be good too.

You can estimate their training speed based on their value.
Players which are 4 star train faster than 5 star, which train faster than 6/7 star etc.
I quit training for the most part when my guys reach 7 stars cause they won't gain a lot anymore.

Here is mine, from another team

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there is nothing you can do to improve it. Train gaining is a fix value. Although it has some up and downs, the avg is about the same and decreasing while your players getting more skill points and quality during the season.

They will perform better this Sunday :)
because they will be one star lower :(

* the young ones

Here's the old stuff I paste everytime it comes up.

Training Log - Intensity = Hard

Baxter 15T Academy Player MV 37Q=7.3; 46Q=12.7; 47Q=13.5
4* 47/96/140
5* 36/75/116 - %age change from previous star = 78/78/83
6* 29/58/89 - %age change from previous star = 79/77/76

Mackay 5* Market purchase MV 43Q=10.9; 46Q=12.9; 48Q=14.2
5*45/71/115
6* 28/60/88 - %age change from previous star = 69/80/77

Hutton 5* NordGen MV 45Q=10.2; 46Q=10.6; 47Q=11.4
5* 38/79/117
6* 28/59/87 - %age change from previous star = 74/75/74

McGrain 5* Market MV 44Q=10.6
5* 35/76/120

Gemmill 5* NordGen MV 47Q=12.3
6* 33/67/103

The above were not thought to all be 'fast trainers' - just part of a data collection excercise. If you can get numbers like Baxter (first on the list then you have a confirmed fast trainer.)

The rule of thumb remains highest value + Youngster = fast trainer

Care must be taken because sometimes players show infrequent big numbers but often thats because they use up more condition than the average so thats why I try to post averages.

Some things I found was training gains for 1 player from session to session can vary up or down by up to 25% on the average. (A lower number doesn't mean a slower trainer but a higher number is more likely to indicate 'fast'.)
I also found the fall in training from star to star is around 20-25%. (I can't be more accurate because it would take far too many repititions on too many players - more than I was prepared to do. ;) ) This also means that as a player drops a star in the following season his gains will increase by 33% - unless he hits the next age range.

Khris did a list of the high value numbers for each 'near next star' Q. Its a useful benchmark but close-to that high value is also good.

EDIT: I probably should add I'd estimate its around level 17 or so that the Market Value cap is reached and further estimate that at level 23 or so that its hard to determine the difference between average and fast trainers fby Market Value - but I'm not there yet so maybe others can confirm that. /EDIT

PS An Academy player I got earlier this season really annoyed me because he was a high T cost but came out as relatively low value and trained like a 23 yo 7* fast trainer. So I signed another to check nothing had changed and on 'mobile spam training' he regularly throws out 40-55 on Match Practice as a 6* 18 yo which is very good.

EDIT 2: This is the highest Hard MP gain I can find in S/S. This was taken in Season 8.

http://i60.tinypic.com/nvej4z.jpg

The fastest 1-4* trainer goes up to 29 gain for normal intensity Stretching... up to 23 as 5* and up to 17 as scout... (max upgraded training ground)

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Originally Posted by Steppenwolf

The fastest 1-4* trainer goes up to 29 gain for normal intensity Stretching... up to 23 as 5* and up to 17 as scout... (max upgraded training ground)

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Don't have enough old data on normal intensity but on Hard I have the following for max values my players have achieved when testing. With the assumption that Hard is double Normal the max values don't fit unless there is an error for rounding. ;) It should also be noted that the high values for 4* and 6* were achieved with only 5% condition consumed so I'm not sure they can be considered a max.

So I would say the figures given are close enough but not exact. (Rounding might play a part but it still doesn't give an exact fit.)

http://i61.tinypic.com/oqymma.jpghttp://i62.tinypic.com/70ddo9.jpghttp://i59.tinypic.com/dyazpg.jpg

These are just a snapshot in time when I looked at data - I can not confirm that these are the highest or lowest or best ever achieved. I do not record everything.

EDIT: I can confirm from the data I collected those are the max stretching values achieved on Hard Intensity for 4* and 5*, I do have a 38 recorded for 6*- 5% condition used.

Some Spam Training on a new 18yo $83.9m 89Q player (5* @ Level 14)

I thought mmmmm, thats nice.

http://i62.tinypic.com/33pdm3s.jpg

then, mmmmm nicer

http://i62.tinypic.com/243q2z4.jpg

Then his leg fell off :(

Now I feel dirty O.o

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Originally Posted by Buffs Mad

Some Spam Training on a new 18yo $83.9m 89Q player (5* @ Level 14)

I thought mmmmm, thats nice.

http://i62.tinypic.com/33pdm3s.jpg

then, mmmmm nicer

http://i62.tinypic.com/243q2z4.jpg

Then his leg fell off :(

Now I feel dirty O.o

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Thats why footie ain't for women... His leg fell off, still 2 of 3 counting... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Steppenwolf

Thats why footie ain't for women... His leg fell off, still 2 of 3 counting... :rolleyes:

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Mine first get their injuries when they are good enough for first squad, before that I can power traine the life juice out of them. But play a match or get in team ... What do you think :rolleyes: No No No! thats not gonna work, he better break his legs "thanks a lot"



shouldn't this training thingy be a sticky thingy? (fasttraner - powertraining) somethimes i have serious deja vù

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Some Spam Training on a new 18yo $83.9m 89Q player (5* @ Level 14)

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wow, those are numbers of a 4* player. With that numbers and the new system you can add two more positions
and the new sa "Iron legs" :D

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

wow, those are numbers of a 4* player. With that numbers and the new system you can add two more positions
and the new sa "Iron legs" :D

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Yeah haha I cheated. ;) Just messing, those were starter team players on Celtic Rangers at level 1. :p Not a Scottish name in sight ;)

High training intensity = injuries, especially if your facilities aren't upgraded. I'd rather train twice a day and have healthy players than train 20 and spend 50 packs. Maybe I'm doing it wrong lol. I just try to treat them like Rockys not Ivan Dragos.

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Originally Posted by HoofDaddy

High training intensity = injuries, especially if your facilities aren't upgraded. I'd rather train twice a day and have healthy players than train 20 and spend 50 packs. Maybe I'm doing it wrong lol. I just try to treat them like Rockys not Ivan Dragos.

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Training wait time has been reduced. You can avoid high intensity training forever if you want.

yah I rarely use it, red packs are scarce round the stable.

Well, assuming its still the same injury process then to use the up a fixed amount of packs/condition you either have to do more sessions at a lower rate or fewer at higher - no real difference.

Spamming training at any rate is not recommended unless you are prepared for injuries.

PS. It was only a restarted alt team that I was doing this spam training on - it had over 100 packs and I'm not really interested in it, so gave around 80 packs to 1 player, match practice only at high intensity, and got 1 4 day injury. Very lucky.

In fact, I don't feel high intensity training increasing the injury frequency. Every day, I use a combination of different types of training in high & low intensity to achieve my desired final player condition that players will be fit for next match. As there is virtually no training wait time now, I will use more low intensity training. But I may still arrange high intensity training in the final training session for the player.

I just trained a new 15T Academy keeper up to Scout (from 100Q up to 110Q) with one-on-one stopper SA.
So that's 150SP + 50SP for the SA = 200 SP, and it took 194 Green packs.

Every session was on 'Hard' intensity and not one injury!!!!

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Originally Posted by cookizzz

In fact, I don't feel high intensity training increasing the injury frequency. Every day, I use a combination of different types of training in high & low intensity to achieve my desired final player condition that players will be fit for next match. As there is virtually no training wait time now, I will use more low intensity training. But I may still arrange high intensity training in the final training session for the player.

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Yeah, even if the injury rate for high intensity is double that of low, or scales with training type, some people might think they'd rather do 1 training at high intensity match practice at a bigger risk to use up c.18% condition on a player than take lots of of smaller risks to use the same. When it comes to choice of training you gotta ask yourself one question "Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?"

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Originally Posted by Buffs Mad

Yeah, even if the injury rate for high intensity is double that of low, or scales with training type, some people might think they'd rather do 1 training at high intensity match practice at a bigger risk to use up c.18% condition on a player than take lots of of smaller risks to use the same. When it comes to choice of training you gotta ask yourself one question "Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?"

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In the past, I use high intensity trainings to reduce the time to use up excessive condition of players. Now, using 2 low intensity trainings is more preferable as I need not to wait 10 to 30 minutes to start the 2nd round. Even if I don't think injury rate in training is high, the effort to reduce such little bit chance is not high.

I also often arrange friendly matches to train players as well as gaining color packs and money. I do not have statistics but feel that the injury rate is higher in friendly matches than training. As efforts for training is less now, I will do more trainings to save time on other matter.

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Originally Posted by cookizzz

In the past, I use high intensity trainings to reduce the time to use up excessive condition of players. Now, using 2 low intensity trainings is more preferable as I need not to wait 10 to 30 minutes to start the 2nd round. Even if I don't think injury rate in training is high, the effort to reduce such little bit chance is not high.

I also often arrange friendly matches to train players as well as gaining color packs and money. I do not have statistics but feel that the injury rate is higher in friendly matches than training. As efforts for training is less now, I will do more trainings to save time on other matter.

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I feel the same way, friendly matches are just a magnet for injuries, even sever ones. But I like the little green suitcase I recieve afterwards:rolleyes: