WTF is wrong with auctions?

So, here is the story. I put a bid on a player with sth around 1.5min to go. I won that part and we went to KO round. Someone outbidded mi like 0:01 left in that normal, first round or just with 1 or 2 second into KO round. So a few seconds into 1st KO round I made another bid and I was winning...untill 0:01 in KO round when someone outbided me and WON the whole thing. I guess it doesn't matter who made a bid and was interested in the player, time-hawks are always winning because they will just put a bid last second?

Another situation - I was leading in KO round (after bidding in normal phase of auction), untill (again) some time-hawk put a bid last second. Why am I require to simply WASTE priceless token, when Im winning in KO round anyway?

Im sure some veteran players will come at me here, quoting rules or some bs from TEwiki page (Yes, I did read it so don't bother copying it here, waste of time), but tokens are basically PRICELESS for 90% of people, that can't put real money into a game for one reason or another. Especially, since "Earn Token" thing is almost US-exclusive. For me 80% of offers there are "Pay and get", 15% are survey that are simply scam, because they take your info and at the very end they will tell you didnt qualify, so no tokens awarded and remaining 5% show up once a month, with 1-2 tokens at best. And with all that - Im being FORCED to waste those priceless tokens to bid twice, for no reason at all, just to remind the game "Hey, I bid 5 seconds ago and Im still fn interested in getting this player" or I can forget about improving my team.

Is it really how it suppose to be? I mean, either you pay us to get 1 billion tokens so you can actually win an auction for decent player with them, or you are F'd. I know how it works and I know that paying in those free web games only helps you a bit, without giving you actual unfair advantage over other - but since you can do s**t without tokens, it doesn't work like that... :/

Hi, welcome to the forum.

I will try to answer your questions, but please check out my videos, specifically the one on Auction Strategies.

You have to bid every round or it goes to the last bidder.
Time Hawks don't always win, there is a counter strategy to this.

You should never place more than 1 token in a round for any reason.

I don't have a billion tokens, I farm a lot and have over 1,000, but I have been accumulating them for 12 seasons. I usually get the players I want, but not always. It's very random, sometimes I'll get a super expensive player for nothing, sometimes I can bid all day and never get him. Learn how to recognize the owners you don't want to go against in auctions.

Again, see my video and all your questions on Auctions should be answered.

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Originally Posted by BridgeGoth

Hi, welcome to the forum.

I will try to answer your questions, but please check out my videos, specifically the one on Auction Strategies.

You have to bid every round or it goes to the last bidder.
Time Hawks don't always win, there is a counter strategy to this.

You should never place more than 1 token in a round for any reason.

I don't have a billion tokens, I farm a lot and have over 1,000, but I have been accumulating them for 12 seasons. I usually get the players I want, but not always. It's very random, sometimes I'll get a super expensive player for nothing, sometimes I can bid all day and never get him. Learn how to recognize the owners you don't want to go against in auctions.

Again, see my video and all your questions on Auctions should be answered.

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So, why do I HAVE to do that, just to stay in the acution Im winning? It makes no sense whatsoever. Player who comes into KO round as a leader, should be qualified automaticlly for next round, if it is needed. Yet you can just wait it for last second and enjoy your win...

Sniping wins if the other didn't bid in the round, usually because the other doesn't understand the meaning of leader. Or, because it takes the Lead and no one bids in the next round.
Leader is meaningless unless its the only bidder in the round or no one bids in the next round.

Yeah and that sucks...because if Im winning, bidding again would be waste of token. And then snipping screws a player who was on the lead, beause he didn't want to waste another token... :(

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Originally Posted by Victusify

Yeah and that sucks...because if Im winning, bidding again would be waste of token. And then snipping screws a player who was on the lead, beause he didn't want to waste another token... :(

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The only way to guarantee you stay in the auction is to bid once in each round. That's the 'spend tokens' mechanic Nordeus uses. As long as there are 2 bidders in a round there is another round.

You can set up a snipe by being the first bidder then if another bidder comes in that round just hope he thinks no other bid is necessary and leaves it open for the snipe at the end of the next round.
You can discourage sniping by bidding early in the round and maybe set up a snipe.:rolleyes:

And that makes no sense. Becuase if I coming to KO round as a leader - then I HAVE to bid again (waste another token) just to be CONSIDERED for another round. If I don't waste it like that, I will just get sniped every. damn. time...

The only time it is worth trying to be the last bidder in a round is if its the last time you are going to use a token, or you are down to your last one.

I see several people put a bid in with 1 or 2 seconds to go at the end of each round, thinking they are being clever getting the bid in at the last second, yet I always bid at the start of the round. If two people are wanting that player then it will go to the next round if you bid with 20 seconds to go or just 1 second. It is that simple.

By waiting until the last possible second to bid to become the round leader you get no extra, other than you win the player if no one bids in the next round. If you are prepared to bid in the next round then get the bid in early. I know several people who use the last second bid who have lost out on players as their bid hasn't gone in on time. Its their own fault as waiting until the last possible second to bid is simply stupidity.

Of course, if you have a limit of tokens you are going to use on a player, or are down to your last token then its wise to wait until the last possible moment of a round to use the token on your LAST and final bid. Other than that its a stupid strategy.

I see wisdom in your words, though my point is simple - when Im leading the pack in aucton, then - I like it or not - I HAVE to outbid myself, to make sure I won't get sniped. If I don't do it - 95% of times, I will get sniped. Why do I have to waste tokens like that, just to be considered as a user who wants this player, while Im leading the auction for it? :/

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Originally Posted by Victusify

I see wisdom in your words, though my point is simple - when Im leading the pack in aucton, then - I like it or not - I HAVE to outbid myself, to make sure I won't get sniped. If I don't do it - 95% of times, I will get sniped. Why do I have to waste tokens like that, just to be considered as a user who wants this player, while Im leading the auction for it? :/

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No you don't

Yes I do. Example?

Player X - first round lets say he got 5 offers, so 5 players move into KO round with me leading the pack. Now, if I don't outbid myself I will either win - or get sniped. If someone outbids me at 0:01 or something like that - he wins. It's stupid, because I either waste a token and outbid myself to make sure I will AT LEAST make it to the next round, or I risk getting sniped because if someone decide to do that - I won't get a chance to bid on him again.

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Originally Posted by Victusify

I see wisdom in your words, though my point is simple - when Im leading the pack in aucton, then - I like it or not - I HAVE to outbid myself, to make sure I won't get sniped. If I don't do it - 95% of times, I will get sniped. Why do I have to waste tokens like that, just to be considered as a user who wants this player, while Im leading the auction for it? :/

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No you don't.

Say you are person 1 and I am person 2.

In the first round I put in a bid with 10 mins to go. You then put in a bid with 4 mins to go. Regardless of if you bid again, you will be in to the next round.

The second round starts. If I don't bid again, you will win the player, as you were the last person to put the bid in.

If I bid again in the second round with 45 seconds to go I then become the bid leader. I will win the player if no one else bids on him. If you bid again in the second round as well - be it with 40 seconds to go or 1 second to go, it will go to a third round.

Regardless of if you bid first or second in the second round, if we BOTH bid within that 1 min time frame then the auction will go to round 3.

In round 3 it starts again. If we BOTH bid (regardless of when we bid in the round - with 10 seconds or 1 to go) then it goes to round 4. If only one person bids in round 3 that person wins the bid. If no one bids again in round 3 then the LAST person to bid in round two wins.

The only way bidding last in a round will give you an advantage is if NO ONE bids in the following round.

If you get your bid in early in EACH round then it doesn't matter who else bids or how many times they bid, you will qualify for the next round. Only when you are the only person bidding in a round do you win the player (Or if no one bids at all in the round, the last bidder wins). You have to bid in EVERY round to guarantee you will get the player and advance to the next round of bidding. If you don't bid then you can get sniped out at the last second - so if you are willing to bid, bid early.

The simple fact is last minute bidding will only ever get you the player if NO ONE ELSE bids in the next round. If you are prepared to bid in the next round, then bid early so you know your token has been accepted. It is that simple.

Yeah, kynan - makes sense. But what Im talking about is situation when KO round starts and Im leading the auction. Then I have to outbid myself, to be considered for another round. If I don't, Im risking getting sniped. That's all I have a problem with.

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Originally Posted by Victusify

Yeah, kynan - makes sense. But what Im talking about is situation when KO round starts and Im leading the auction. Then I have to outbid myself, to be considered for another round. If I don't, Im risking getting sniped. That's all I have a problem with.

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You don't have to outbid, but you run the risk of being outbidded - just like in any auction. Your second bid is your first bid of the next round, which is what puts you in the lead for the player should no one else show interest.

If two people show interest in a player then as a general rule you need to be prepared to put down at least one more token in the next round to guarantee the player.

Its a bidding strategy, there is nothing wrong with it. If it didn't cost to bid then everyone would bid on everything regardless of if they needed it, just because they could.

You just have to place a bid in every round. I don't understand this is so hard to understand :rolleyes:

I know. I have no problem with bidding another token if I want that player. But I want to have a chance to do that. Like I said in example - when Im leading coming into new KO Round and no else bids for 55 seconds (or 25, depends on which round) Im at risk of being sniped. And if someone decides to do that last second, I have no chance to fight back and put that other token. That's what Im talking about all the time. Its not fair that I may have to outbid myself, only to give myself a chance to enter next round if someone decides to play a sniper... :/

Just to make it crystal clear, that's the situation Im talking about:

Player X, normal round of auction - 5 offers, Im leading auction.
KO Round number 1: Im leading, no one bids
Last second of round 1: someone snipes.
Then auction ends and sniper wins.

To avoid that situation I would have to outbid myself - then system would see that Im interested (Because it looks like leading the auction doesn't mean Im interested in him) and create next KO round. If I don't outbid myself, it will end with sniper winning. Which sounds pretty unfair to me...

If you have some notion of outbidding yourself then you are right. But you are not outbidding yourself, you are participating in the round.

Its a round by round mechanic. It only counts back to the leader from the previous round if no one bids in the current round. If you understand that then the risk is clear.

Leader bidding can be successful in the initial round if you are taking the chance that the other is offline/afk - I call it the Offline Steal. But you need to bid in advance of the end of the initial round to discourage others from trying the same, imo.

Safest way as said before is bid in each round - set your max spend and get out when you reach it or learn who are the crazy bidders and avoid them.

If you choose not to bid in the next KO round, why should you get that player?
Sometimes you get lucky and get it anyway by default, but if you really want a player, why would you rely on this?

Every round in a new auction, so if you are unable or unwilling to bid each round, then someone else is likely to come along that is.

But if the situation is like this:

KO Round 1: 3 players placed bids and Im leading, then if no one is bidding in KO Rd 2 - Im getting that player. So leading into KO rounds counts, right? So I kinda do outbid myself in that situation... :/

I just try to treasure tokens, becuase like I wrote - those are priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiceless to me, since only way I can get them is TV rights deal, which gives me 1 token a day and 2 tokens each 4 days. With that, Im barely able to bid anyway and only for lower class players, because I simply don't have enough tokens to compete for those guys... :/

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Originally Posted by BridgeGoth

If you choose not to bid in the next KO round, why should you get that player?
Sometimes you get lucky and get it anyway by default, but if you really want a player, why would you rely on this?

Every round in a new auction, so if you are unable or unwilling to bid each round, then someone else is likely to come along that is.

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Like said here, if you do not chose to bid i KO round, and the other does, I think its only fair he wins

But not in the situation where I have to outbid my offer and waste token... :/ Its kinda unfair to leave a way to screw other players...but since it's possible and has pretty nice chance of success, I guess it's time to be a dick to a few people on the market then...

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Originally Posted by Victusify

But if the situation is like this:

KO Round 1: 3 players placed bids and Im leading, then if no one is bidding in KO Rd 2 - Im getting that player. So leading into KO rounds counts, right? So I kinda do outbid myself in that situation... :/

I just try to treasure tokens, becuase like I wrote - those are priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiceless to me, since only way I can get them is TV rights deal, which gives me 1 token a day and 2 tokens each 4 days. With that, Im barely able to bid anyway and only for lower class players, because I simply don't have enough tokens to compete for those guys... :/

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If you rely on being Leader then you are knowingly taking a big risk with your treasured token. Unless they are afk then its most likely a snipe will come. Your choice.:D

That's what Im talking about. Exactly. I will either basically pay to avoid being sniped, or I will get sniped. Which to me sounds kinda unfair. But since looks like no one else share my pov, then I guess I will just do that to others too, since it's normal thing around.

Thanks for a talk though.