Nordeus, you have destroyed the game.

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06-30-2015
Staggy Stagg

Nordeus, you have destroyed the game.

With the new league system where every team is on a level quality rating, it does not make sense. In which league anywhere in the world is their equal teams competing.

When you get promoted you are ‘to face new challenges and better teams’ well not anymore. When you get promoted you have an equal chance of getting promoted again by doing nothing and meet same quality teams.

I used to like the challenge of promotion and then assessing whether I should invest and take a shot at a top 4 finish for a CL place or just let the season run and invest gradually to hopefully have a good run the next season. This is more reflects the real world but you cannot do this now. I would spend hours some days just trying to get the right player, now it does not matter. OK for 1 season I could spent a huge amount of tokens getting money from the bank and buy better players, win the league and then the next season would again be put in an even league. What is the point? I want a real challenge.

To use my level 35 teams as an example:

Team 1 – player quality ratings 190 - 192 (6* = 195), no chance of winning league

Team 2 – player quality ratings 179 – 180 (all retiring nordgens), every chance of winning league.

All I do now is go on daily to collect my tokens and boosters, check for injuries, make sure my autosubs are set and leave it until the next day, half an hour at best. Great game Nordeus.

I think that Nordeus, this time, have been listening to the wrong people. The ‘anti-tankers’ have won as there is no point in tanking anymore’

Please please Nordeus, return the league and promotion system back to how you originally envisaged it and back to fall in line with other football manager style games.

This is no fun anymore and that is 5 years after I started developing my team
06-30-2015
nikolgiorgos

I noticed that from previous season and confirm it at this one too
( http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...tml#post350460 )
So now I 'm thinking about my next step.
-Quitting the game
-Starting from the beginning with a 3-4* team, playing as 35T manager, just log in for the game and the gifts, for 10' min every day
-Finding something else
From today my team is in auto-pilot. Not interest any more :(
06-30-2015
cookizzz

The new league system made the league matches much more interesting in last few seasons. But I don't think such fun will be forever. After all managers understand how it works, more & more managers will try to lower down team qualities before league drawings and then significantly upgrade their team after league draw is concluded. I don't believe most managers like to involve in a game like this. Nordeus may think managers will spend more tokens in this situation. However, if less managers are active in the game, the game will be less interesting and less attractive and Nordeus may not be able to earn more.

I want to know how the tankers think. All teams face opponents with same qualities no matter whether they promote or not.
06-30-2015
cookizzz

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

I noticed that from previous season and confirm it at this one too
( http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...tml#post350460 )
So now I 'm thinking about my next step.
-Quitting the game
-Starting from the beginning with a 3-4* team, playing as 35T manager, just log in for the game and the gifts, for 10' min every day
-Finding something else
From today my team is in auto-pilot. Not interest any more :(

I like your plan. I will also consider to do this.
06-30-2015
khris

The ideal form to haveleagues with involved managers, and that mean not 14 actives, or 14 with 5*, is to distribute teams in another way....

example, 140 teams in L24, we do a ranking per quality and active-non active teams. There are 10 league groups to do, so we start for the actives, the best, League A (A to J, 10 groups or leagues to explain) the 2nd to League B... and so, with actives, and then the same with not actives.
Friends have to count, ofc.
06-30-2015
Staggy Stagg

Quote:

Originally Posted by cookizzz

The new league system made the league matches much more interesting in last few seasons. But I don't think such fun will be forever. After all managers understand how it works, more & more managers will try to lower down team qualities before league drawings and then significantly upgrade their team after league draw is concluded. I don't believe most managers like to involve in a game like this. Nordeus may think managers will spend more tokens in this situation. However, if less managers are active in the game, the game will be less interesting and less attractive and Nordeus may not be able to earn more.

I want to know how the tankers think. All teams face opponents with same qualities no matter whether they promote or not.

I still think it lost the challenge of playing better opponents when promoted, that challenge is in every league structure around the world, even down to grass roots football and has been removed from T11.

On tanking, I was never an official tanker but would sit out a couple of seasons, to rebuild my token supply and then be able to have a run at the league with new players. Again, that challenge and excitement has gone.

Also I think it works in favour of token buyers and big spenders, as on day 3 they can boost their team an dwalk the league. You will find more and more leagues being won by the same team season after season.
06-30-2015
Staggy Stagg

Khris, what should really happen, is that when you are promoted you should face 7 teams established at the next level and 6 other promoted teams. The established teams should present the greater challenge. Sometime you got lucky and sometimes you didn't. But it worked.
06-30-2015
nikolgiorgos

Quote:

The ideal form to have leagues with involved managers

I could use another expression, leagues with managers who spend and managers who don't :rolleyes:
The reason they did that is obvious I think.
I 'm not saying that I would like to play in a league of 13 crap teams and winning with domination in every game, but so far, I didn't miss challenges.
Playing in every season for the championship, with at least another 3-4 good teams in my league and other 3-4 teams that could make damage in a good day, playing with good teams in CH.L., tough teams also in the Cup, having the injuries issue, as the "falling from the sky" bad form of some players, testing training and developing young players (and doing that for my alt team also :p ).
06-30-2015
pcmacdaniel

My league wasn't too bad as I was drawn with a bunch of hybrid 4/5* teams. My overall Quality is 84.3(4*) but that is being skewed by the presence of the dynamic duo; 42Q and 46Q respectively.

However, looking at some my rivals leagues I came across a league with 4 promoted managers (3 are token buyers) and all 10 not-promoted teams have at least 10 5* players starting. Four of them have starting 11's that feature almost nothing but scouts and one of those managers is featuring multiple 7* players. I'm guessing a token buyer or two won't be promoting...
06-30-2015
nikolgiorgos

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After all managers understand how it works, more & more managers will try to lower down team qualities before league drawings and then significantly upgrade their team after league draw is concluded

cook is absolutely right. I was thinking maybe do the same as I did this method for winning the Cup and the treble (as the ultimate challenge) , but I think it's stupid to do this for every season, for the league too.

* Hey Khris, how about to start an OMA league again ? :)
06-30-2015
khris

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

cook is absolutely right. I was thinking maybe do the same as I did this method for winning the Cup and the treble (as the ultimate challenge) , but I think it's stupid to do this for every season, for the league too.

* Hey Khris, how about to start an OMA league again ? :)

And my summer? LOL
06-30-2015
nikolgiorgos

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And my summer? LOL

you'right :)
September then ...
06-30-2015
Buffs Mad

I'm not getting tough leagues (unfortunately) so I can't comment on that (I'm more likely to complain about 14-player-OOC/retiral replacement teams in my league).

But the knock on effect is that CL groups are getting poorer and poorer each season now.
07-01-2015
Qambu Yaasi

Love the new league system! It's quite boring to have a 2-3 or 4 horse race with 12 whipping boys...
07-01-2015
Pikachu FC

The new league system is not for me..

Last season I had by far the strongest team in terms of start quality, many players 7 stars vs other teams with mostly 5 stars, 6 stars sometimes. I developed my team during the season, after the draw using lots of green packs but in the end I only managed 7th, losing many games 1-0, 2-1 and LOTS of draws with the opponent keeper literally being a wall with 5+ saves in many matches.

Funny that I won another CL and finished 3rd in the cup but in the league the team just sucked.
The season prior to that I won the league and CL pretty much with the same team so I believe the players and my formation is not really bad.

Start of this season, first matches knocked out of Cup, again opponent having tons of saves and first match of the league 1-0 loss, opponent keeper being a wall again.

I guess once the league draw is out, it does not matter how you improve the team as something in the game engine already decides the winner of the league so this season I will not bother power training.
07-01-2015
Sully

Quote:

Originally Posted by Staggy Stagg

With the new league system where every team is on a level quality rating, it does not make sense. In which league anywhere in the world is their equal teams competing.

When you get promoted you are ‘to face new challenges and better teams’ well not anymore. When you get promoted you have an equal chance of getting promoted again by doing nothing and meet same quality teams.

I used to like the challenge of promotion and then assessing whether I should invest and take a shot at a top 4 finish for a CL place or just let the season run and invest gradually to hopefully have a good run the next season. This is more reflects the real world but you cannot do this now. I would spend hours some days just trying to get the right player, now it does not matter. OK for 1 season I could spent a huge amount of tokens getting money from the bank and buy better players, win the league and then the next season would again be put in an even league. What is the point? I want a real challenge.

To use my level 35 teams as an example:

Team 1 – player quality ratings 190 - 192 (6* = 195), no chance of winning league

Team 2 – player quality ratings 179 – 180 (all retiring nordgens), every chance of winning league.

All I do now is go on daily to collect my tokens and boosters, check for injuries, make sure my autosubs are set and leave it until the next day, half an hour at best. Great game Nordeus.

I think that Nordeus, this time, have been listening to the wrong people. The ‘anti-tankers’ have won as there is no point in tanking anymore’

Please please Nordeus, return the league and promotion system back to how you originally envisaged it and back to fall in line with other football manager style games.

This is no fun anymore and that is 5 years after I started developing my team

anti-tankers have not won. I am still tanking successfully. I have 4 accounts vying for the title this season after great tanking seasons last season = almost all 5-6 star with special ability with great chances at doubles.
07-01-2015
HoofDaddy

There is lots of good competition from 4-8, glad i haven't been playing long enough to get bored of it.
07-01-2015
cookizzz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sully

anti-tankers have not won. I am still tanking successfully. I have 4 accounts vying for the title this season after great tanking seasons last season = almost all 5-6 star with special ability with great chances at doubles.

Are you grouped with 5-6 star teams in this season?

oic. New league system have minimal affect in tanking season, as tankers can use creative formations/player assignments to ensure losses (Actually I don't know how to tank, I just guess). However, are tankers also grouped in strong league if their teams are strong?.

To fight against tankers, anti-tankers may need to request T11 to identify tankers and build tanker leagues.
07-01-2015
Fredi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Staggy Stagg

With the new league system where every team is on a level quality rating, it does not make sense. In which league anywhere in the world is their equal teams competing.

When you get promoted you are ‘to face new challenges and better teams’ well not anymore. When you get promoted you have an equal chance of getting promoted again by doing nothing and meet same quality teams.

I used to like the challenge of promotion and then assessing whether I should invest and take a shot at a top 4 finish for a CL place or just let the season run and invest gradually to hopefully have a good run the next season. This is more reflects the real world but you cannot do this now. I would spend hours some days just trying to get the right player, now it does not matter. OK for 1 season I could spent a huge amount of tokens getting money from the bank and buy better players, win the league and then the next season would again be put in an even league. What is the point? I want a real challenge.

To use my level 35 teams as an example:

Team 1 – player quality ratings 190 - 192 (6* = 195), no chance of winning league

Team 2 – player quality ratings 179 – 180 (all retiring nordgens), every chance of winning league.

All I do now is go on daily to collect my tokens and boosters, check for injuries, make sure my autosubs are set and leave it until the next day, half an hour at best. Great game Nordeus.

I think that Nordeus, this time, have been listening to the wrong people. The ‘anti-tankers’ have won as there is no point in tanking anymore’

Please please Nordeus, return the league and promotion system back to how you originally envisaged it and back to fall in line with other football manager style games.

This is no fun anymore and that is 5 years after I started developing my team

Staggy Stagg, what you referred to was last season's League draw system. We changed it for this season ;)
07-01-2015
cookizzz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredi

Staggy Stagg, what you referred to was last season's League draw system. We changed it for this season ;)

Sorry for breaking in.

Since 3 seasons ago, my teams (in same server) no longer grouped with most of the friends (except one for my lower level team) in same league. Instead, my leagues comprised of teams with very similar qualities.

I believe these are similar to the new league system you referred (http://forum.topeleven.com/news-anno...tml#post350652). Probably, it is adopted earlier in some servers.

I really enjoyed the challenges in last 3 seasons. But I feel unfair after noticing some low 3 star quality teams could easily win in their leagues comprising of 2 to 3 star quality teams.