Is TE unfair??

Hi all,

I'm in level 25 now, I have been addicted to TE, but day after day I discover that it is a "by chance" game, and it is just unfair.

In my last season, level 24, I bought more than 12 scout players, this means more than 600 tokens. My starting eleven were all scouts, and I even had scout substitutes. My team was a 6 stars team, and I didnt face any team with a higher quality than mine through the whole season. The result was: not winning any title. Second in league, knocked out in the quarter finals of the champions league by a team that is much, much weaker than me after winning the first away leg! The most important point here: scout players make no difference, 90% of the scout players i got got a 5 or 6 rating in most of their matches, and I ended up selling them!

In this season, level 25, I changed the system. I'm not depending on scouts anymore as its a waste of tokens. I had what I thought a better idea. I followed the best players in my friends' teams. Players who got a rating of 7, 8, or 9 in all their matches. I bought a full team of such players by negotiations, and you know how it is hard to buy a great player from another team. I paid more than 150M for a single player. The result is that those players who used to have very high ratings with their previous teams started getting a rating of 6, or even 5, when they arrived to my team. My team now is a 5 stars team, I still have the highest rated team in the league. The result is: I'm fifth in the league, I lost 4 out of 10 matches there, 2 of the losses were by 3 or 4 goals. I lost 3 out of 5 matches in the champions league and I'm knocked out from the group stage for the first time in 25 seasons. I lost 0-4 in the cup, and I know that I will never win a cup since all the teams I play with are 1 or 2 levels above me, not only in this season, but from the day I started playing TE.

What I know is that TE is a game. And in any game, the best player is the one who play more, think more, and maybe pay more. But here in TE, its all by chance, and its simply unfair! because when you have a team of scouts you dont win, and when you have a team of the best negotiation players you dont win. What else can you do to have a strong team???

So what you're saying is it's not a pay to win game? Awesome! I like it even more... :p

i'm level 20 (I would be level 28 but dropped down to a new club) and in my experience the best team in the league WILL win the league if managed properly. Cup competions are different as one troll result and its probably game over. but in a 26 game season the cream generally rises to the top. im sorry, but if you couldn't win the league with 11 scout players you seriously need to look at tactics and team instruction....

Yeah, you can have the best players in your team but they fail because your tactics don't go well with it.

Try to improve your players form first.
One or two bad player (average form lower than 7) you may replace.
Full team with bad form have two different major reasons: Bad captain, or bad tactics.

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Originally Posted by Mahmoud Wehbe

Hi all,

I'm in level 25 now, I have been addicted to TE, but day after day I discover that it is a "by chance" game, and it is just unfair.

In my last season, level 24, I bought more than 12 scout players, this means more than 600 tokens. My starting eleven were all scouts, and I even had scout substitutes. My team was a 6 stars team, and I didnt face any team with a higher quality than mine through the whole season. The result was: not winning any title. Second in league, knocked out in the quarter finals of the champions league by a team that is much, much weaker than me after winning the first away leg! The most important point here: scout players make no difference, 90% of the scout players i got got a 5 or 6 rating in most of their matches, and I ended up selling them!

In this season, level 25, I changed the system. I'm not depending on scouts anymore as its a waste of tokens. I had what I thought a better idea. I followed the best players in my friends' teams. Players who got a rating of 7, 8, or 9 in all their matches. I bought a full team of such players by negotiations, and you know how it is hard to buy a great player from another team. I paid more than 150M for a single player. The result is that those players who used to have very high ratings with their previous teams started getting a rating of 6, or even 5, when they arrived to my team. My team now is a 5 stars team, I still have the highest rated team in the league. The result is: I'm fifth in the league, I lost 4 out of 10 matches there, 2 of the losses were by 3 or 4 goals. I lost 3 out of 5 matches in the champions league and I'm knocked out from the group stage for the first time in 25 seasons. I lost 0-4 in the cup, and I know that I will never win a cup since all the teams I play with are 1 or 2 levels above me, not only in this season, but from the day I started playing TE.

What I know is that TE is a game. And in any game, the best player is the one who play more, think more, and maybe pay more. But here in TE, its all by chance, and its simply unfair! because when you have a team of scouts you dont win, and when you have a team of the best negotiation players you dont win. What else can you do to have a strong team???

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Don't waste money on this game. It seems that the results are affected by other factors other than quality and tactics. I have noticed that for some particular matches, especially two cup matches, the results seemed to have been already decided before the matches even started. The comments are there just to give you the impression that the matches are actually being played. Also, this game contains many flaws.

I have bought a lot of tokens too, and I worked a lot on tactics. But still, my team was beaten 5-1 on aggregate by a weaker team using an asymmetrical formation. The way the comments 'went' for the two particular cup matches, I could clearly see that it was already decided that my team would lose. The goals that my team conceded 'came out of nowhere'.

It is not worth putting so much money in such a game. Just play the game with the resources provided.

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So what you're saying is it's not a pay to win game? Awesome! I like it even more...

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yeah, sure, it's not a pay to win game :)
but usually this isn't from good/bad management or coaching but from random results and good/bad day (in many games) :(

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

yeah, sure, it's not a pay to win game :)
but usually this isn't from good/bad management or coaching but from random results and good/bad day (in many games) :(

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so the big clubs never have an off day or a weird day? if the top rated team won every single game, why would anyone want to play? just look at the quality, oh they are better q than me, i'm done playing bc it's an auto loss.

you only have to know how to Play it right. you will win if you want. i ve faced a lot of Teams if Scout or not. and i can tell you, i ve also beaten Teams with 7 or 8 stars. it s no Problem. if i have fewer Possession than usual, i have to react on this. maybe pressing full pitch instead own half. maybe defensive instead normal.

i met Managers which showed me their orders and arrows, because suddenly they cound not win anymore. i was amazed about their crazy orders and arrows.

from a certain Point a Manager have to know how the games works. since a "pupil", that i teached, learned it from me, he Plays much better and can win some trophies.

by the way, i dont want to be disrespectful, but i ve had the same Problem also on lvl 25. then there was the Point when i wanted to study this game. and now i am successful with 4 own Teams. lvl 6, lvl 9, lvl 25 and lvl 33

As another token buyer, i'll chime in.

This game is pay to win. My squad has won 12 league titles, 8 cl crowns and 4 cup trophies in 13+ seasons. If buying tokens didn't give a significant advantage, I wouldn't have had this much success.

Part of the reason it appears that it isn't "pay to win," is because Nordeus treats its customers like crap. The scout list has to many "busts" for the cost of a scout. The injury ratio is absurd, and the higher quality players seem to get injured more than lower quality ones. How do several players suffer a decrease in morale after beating a team 10:0? Plus, all the games within 3 hours of each other, dropping condition alongside morale. Now leagues are based upon quality, similar to the cup; but teams from all leagues are treated the same pertaining to Champions League qualification. I'm not going to even get started on players that improve regarding form after spending multiple seasons on my team. So, power-training to maintain quality with the injury ratio, bye-bye reds and greens. Oh, and the cost of negotiations; an offer of 7 tokens to another managers costs me what, 23 tokens? Come on now, give more of the tokens to the other managers... It'll cheapen my cost and help them get more tokens!!!

Also, pertaining to morale/condition this seems to heavily impact matches from my experience. I would rather face a higher level manager that is a free-player than a lower-level manager that buys tokens every day of the week! I've beaten higher level, higher quality teams several times in the cup, then turn around and have a dud in the league against a lower quality team. How many blues/greens does it take to maintain max morale and condition for all important KO round matches against quality opposition? If chasing a treble with the new league draw system, it'll could take over 100 of such packs to win a treble if the league is tight. Under the old system (unless one fools the league draw), playing the backups could get the job done in several leagues, but now?

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Originally Posted by muskrat

so the big clubs never have an off day or a weird day? if the top rated team won every single game, why would anyone want to play? just look at the quality, oh they are better q than me, i'm done playing bc it's an auto loss.

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Who said that the big clubs never have an off day or a weird day? I'm talking about two consecutive seasons, not a single match. Its ok for me if I lose like 5 matches in a season. But its totally unfair when you never play against an opponent with better quality than yours, and still win NO TITLES!

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Originally Posted by Mahmoud Wehbe

Who said that the big clubs never have an off day or a weird day? I'm talking about two consecutive seasons, not a single match. Its ok for me if I lose like 5 matches in a season. But its totally unfair when you never play against an opponent with better quality than yours, and still win NO TITLES!

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"I have been addicted to TE"

Caution with that, after 8 seasons I started tanking when had the feeling that I lost the control a little bit.
Now I play 2 and tank 2 usually, now T11 and ma time without T11 is balanced.

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Originally Posted by Mahmoud Wehbe

Who said that the big clubs never have an off day or a weird day? I'm talking about two consecutive seasons, not a single match. Its ok for me if I lose like 5 matches in a season. But its totally unfair when you never play against an opponent with better quality than yours, and still win NO TITLES!

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look, If you are spending 600 tokens a season and winning nothing you cannot throw your toys out of the pram and shout 'its not fair!!!' you need to review your entire formation and set up. And also review what you are spending tokens on. Only choose the very best scout players with special abilities that are useful. no point having 4 corner specialists... buy top youngsters and power train them.

if you gave me 600 tokens at the start of the season I guarantee you at the end of the season I could show you at least a league title and a champions league title. with that many tokens I might even have a shot at the cup too!

@muskrat

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so the big clubs never have an off day or a weird day? if the top rated team won every single game, why would anyone want to play?

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I 'm not saying this. I mean (by random or good/bad day) that the game doesn't give us enough evidence/clues/knowledge to be more managerial or coach better our teams or fix our mistakes and improve our team.
I 'm playing the game one year, winning a lot of trophies and still don't know how is working :
- the rating system :confused:
- a good player become all of sudden a bad performer (in a new season or in the middle of it) :confused:
- how I can prevent it or reverse it :confused:
- if special abilities has any function :confused:
- how critical is the formation in a match (I know, many will answer, that yes - but then, why playing a 4-4-2 ND, my AMC and two ST with better q couldn't won 1 oppo DC ?) :confused:
- how a player is performing with or without arrows :confused:
- what is the effect playing with hard/normal/easy tackling (same for offside, man to man/zonal) :confused:
- how the win bonus affect the performance and what is the role of morale :confused:
- why I have (or not sometimes) so many injuries :confused:

If we don't know sooo many basics of the game, I cannot judge another player if he is good manager or coach.

Parity rarely exists both in nature and human society. A better question would be, is T11 balanced?

And the answer is yes, but only early on in the game. I don't think this game is fully pay-to win because random chance and superior tactics still have an effect on match results. Easier to blame Nordeus and keep spending tokens than admit you got tactically outplayed.

I too like to base past performances as a basis to buy a player. With Scouts, I know it is a throw of the dice as you are buying unproven "talent" but not performance.

Here's my take on negotiating or even buying players off TM that has good track records. They will suddenly not perform once they sign for you and this is because maybe

1. Orders and formation is different.
2. They are simply past it.

Unless you use the same formation or type formation eg. lone striker vs pair you are more likely to destroy the player.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

@muskrat

I 'm not saying this. I mean (by random or good/bad day) that the game doesn't give us enough evidence/clues/knowledge to be more managerial or coach better our teams or fix our mistakes and improve our team.
I 'm playing the game one year, winning a lot of trophies and still don't know how is working :
- the rating system :confused:
- a good player become all of sudden a bad performer (in a new season or in the middle of it) :confused:
- how I can prevent it or reverse it :confused:
- if special abilities has any function :confused:
- how critical is the formation in a match (I know, many will answer, that yes - but then, why playing a 4-4-2 ND, my AMC and two ST with better q couldn't won 1 oppo DC ?) :confused:
- how a player is performing with or without arrows :confused:
- what is the effect playing with hard/normal/easy tackling (same for offside, man to man/zonal) :confused:
- how the win bonus affect the performance and what is the role of morale :confused:
- why I have (or not sometimes) so many injuries :confused:

If we don't know sooo many basics of the game, I cannot judge another player if he is good manager or coach.

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nikolgiorgos great summery of some of the big questions of this game. I guess we all hunger at least some indicators from Nordeus to how these work/play/influence the game engine

If you are winning, you are doing it right, that's all I know lol

I noticed this yesterday (that this is really bad),
my team was fit , i was there(i am almost always online when i need to play) i was against a lesser team,

and i lost big time..(strat yes)
the fun was gone and it still is, i deleted it yesterday so pissed of was i..

and to think of i am only in lv13..

The old thorny issue. As Nik says the game doesn't give us enough stats appropriate for team/player management.

What interests me is however why we don't ask questions about the 'simple' things eg What does Attacking do?

But then again if we were told would we believe it?

PS. We have been told the function of special abilities (just not the extent of the impact) and we have been told what arrows do.....which brings me back to my latter point, belief.:rolleyes:

Manager: "Tell me the truth.
Dev: You can't handle the truth.

PPS. No its not fair.

Is there ever a answer from a developer and or Admin on here ?
cause not much use for me to come back to this forum..

i find it a bit odd, that i see people here that complain from left to right(and that is fine on a pos).. but still play this POS !! (apparently).
i guess it is time to hit the delete button again...

I think you might be doing something wrong with your team, I believe that the amount of tokens you spend give u a bit of extra confidence to play more risk formations and orders and I can say that the game won't work the way you wish, I'm playing about a year this game and I am addicted to it as many others here, I don't buy tokens as I can't afford but I'm a farmer didn't win as much titles as I wish but I know my limitations so, I used to buy scouts as well when I could and some worked well and last even 3 seasons but some wouldn't work with my team until I realised I had to sell it and move on, I am learning every day about this game and if its fair or not but sure is good and it will never make everyone happy.

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i give up top eleven which very nonsense game.