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Since you make the League more balanaced i have 1 question.
Why you don't make the cup balanced to play with teams that your level, last season i was level 23 and i played cup final against 1 player whose level was 26 and he had all players 9 stars. Now i am the only player level 24 and all others are 25 or 26.
This is not fair. Please don't ignor this.
I also mentioned this issue here but didn't get any answer :(
http://forum.topeleven.com/news-anno...-system-2.html
but it's not impossible some guys already start working at this project.
Hey, Rome wasn't built in a day
* yes from me
Cup should be level based , I agree with it , its just nonsense to play against manager who is 3 level above me and have won the league previous season ....
Also I would welcome some kind of Europa league cup for teams finished in 5th, 6th and 7th place.... if you finish in these 3 places you are biggest loser in the league because you go one level high without chance to win current league level next season and you do not play CL next season only cup ....
Those are the same rules than real football. in a real Cup competition, top flight teams face teams from second, third, fourth and fifth division early on.
I agree with you, but let me tell you something, i have a friend with all players 9 stars, he is season 5 and his cup adversary was level 10, is fair enough for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by mmunger
Whatever they do about Cup draw system, there will always be 1 satisfied and 127 unsatisfied players... :rolleyes:
I think cup sistem is based on your team stars, if you had a 2 stars team, you will play with teams with same stars.
Today, Bayern plays against FC Nöttingen, a fifth tier team, in the German Cup. Is it fair? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaharia Cristian
That's the Cup system.
I often think I'd like a more level based system but with same levlI think the comps will all be the same. No easy solution.
I think a fixed range is probably better.
But regardless the poll is too narrow, can't vote.
That is real football, this is virtual football, how do you explain a team with players with 1 star can beat your team with 5-6 stars? Don't forget i am not a team from any division, i win almost every time League and i play against players who almost forget about their teams and when they have players with 2-3-4 they start to make transfers and they buy players with 5 stars and their players show me they have 8-9 stars, and my players for him have 2-3 stars.Quote:
Originally Posted by mmunger
if you want to play people of equal merit play champions league. there are like a billion of these threads already. it's geting old. cup draw is mean to test your team and managerial skill. CL is meant for relative equality.
I already play CL, but i want to have equal chance like others managers to win cup too.Quote:
Originally Posted by muskrat
Thats why I always suggest do the cups in groups of 3 levels.... 1-3 4-6 7-9... so at least 1 time every 3 seasons we can be in the group of the "market advantadged"...... but.... I'm not Nordeus boss.
cup isn't designed to be equal. if it were, they would call it CL 2.0
It would be better if it was like that. As it is now, if you had a relatively high quality team for the level you were in the previous season, you would mostly be among the lowest levels and rarely be among the highest levels for the Cup; this is not fair and it is also to some extent, discouraging.Quote:
Originally Posted by khris
yea CL is same level already, I would not want that in Cup again...Quote:
Originally Posted by muskrat
Play just against same level is a stupid idea from the start. Is almost like you are making another CL but without group stage.
Something based on multi levels should be the best option but something where everyone have a chance to win from time to time.
....and play a entire year against teams of +4 levels simply because you are in a high level and you have a good team, and you don't wanna cheat to distract the system is no stupid?...Quote:
Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin
Looking what people is complaining I try to suggest systems to have equal oportunities.. talking about a new Cup system or a 2nd verion of a new league draw.... now in League + Cup is always the same static answer really.... you want it easy? cheat, play with the rules, decrease Q. and problem solved... and no, no problem solved, because at my level the cup is won by lower Q. teams with 2-3* players of +4 levels than me....
So really if we put the teams as 2 teams of the same level, I was FC Barcelona, during a whole year in Q terms, and others, the 90% were like Cadiz CF .... here the dilemma and consequence to have a good team and be active....
Like I said, a CUP must be a CUP and it can't be based just on the same level if you want a competition closer to real life but you have a good point, playing each season against teams with 2,3 levels over you isn't good at all because is just not fair.
As i said is not fair to play against players with 2-3 levels more higher because the game see your players more week and his players more strong.
It is fair to be playing against 2-3 levels difference. It's not fair for active managers to always be playing against Managers with access to a higher Q TM every season.
Again I'll say I like the idea of fixed ranges rather than the loose concept of fixed Q. However I don't like the idea that it should be predictable eg "next Season is my easier Cup" or "Cup is a no go for me next Season". That would just introduce new reasons to complain. I'd rather have my chance managed by luck than by design. ;)
In theory I'd like a fixed level range then all the teams thrown in the air and 127 chosen to be in my Cup. Whether I'd like it in practice if I got 3 bad ones in a row is another matter.
Its a game designed around progression and all solutions will have unfairness built it.
Other more wacky changes might include:
using the exiting mechanic but weighting the Q calculation.
Teams drawn from Lower levels would have a slightly higher Q (but less than +5Q) than mean or median level and those from higher levels have a slightly lower actual Q (but greater than -5Q). So........active higher level managers can have an advantage from the TM but only if they sign players and this alone is not enough to put them 'out of sight' of active lower levels.
PS the above wacky suggestion is not the finished article, its just a prompt for what's possible ;)
Disclaimer: The ideas presented here are designed to convey the impression of thought, there is no guarantee that any thinking was actually done.
I like this idea, and support implementing this in addition to the current method grouping by qualities.Quote:
Originally Posted by khris
Restricting a Cup to teams in same level is boring. I finally decided to vote for "no".
Makes sense to me, as it is now I am up against 1 and two levels higher EVERY season.Quote:
Originally Posted by khris
So in reallity I am without chance of winning.
For me the CL is the same thing, and to top this, it is always the same teams that beats me out :( Monotone and unfair IMO
I don't even have to check them out because I already know that they are at least 12-> skillpoint stronger than me (aprox 2.5 stars on each player)
Let's talk about few simple things.
The Cup I think it's the most easy trophy to win (I mean for an experience manager or an active member of the forum)
* maybe there is an exception for higher lv teams, where there are few managers at their lv.
The only thing you need is to finish (and start) the season with 14 low q players.
maybe 2-3 0T academy players and the rest 3* players, oldies or free agents.
The problem comes when you have a good team, with players you don't want to loose.
The other thing is that the target, the holy grail of a (trophy hunter) manager is the treble.
But why a manager must destroy his team or trying manipulating quality methods for that ?
-So, why not to play in a competitive league (now with the new draw system)
- in a competitive (as always) CH.L.
- and in a Cup with q draw but with teams only from the level of the manager ?
If win those three competition (and it's not easy) , the treble is yours.
I tell you how it's this game, if you want to win the championship you must to have a good team, if you want to draw in cup with teams on your level you must have a poor team. Conclusion make your team 2-3 stars for chance to win the cup.
My opponent in cup.
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