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I'll be honest with you, I haven't paid enough attention to detail to know what I'm doing.
It's one thing training players blindly to get maximum out of team bonuses but is it really worth it? You could be wasting condition training stats you don't need. I train 8 players at random from subs and reserves
Does anyone have a training regime that trains the right players and high growth in all 4 bonuses at the same time?
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I always start with warmup. If they're low on condition, I go for warm up-pass go shoot-piggy (the last two are semi-pro). In fact it's useful to the starters; with sub I go a bit harder.
That's probably a good idea. Warm up for first team then do the rest with reserves.
Well I don't know exactly how it works because I didn't had enough time to test them all and I didnt' paid to many attention to understand everything but there are a lot of drills so a lot of combinations.
Indeed Arion have a good point and from what they told me and I tested it, it's important to start with some easy drills in order to get the maximum points. Starting with some easy drills then going to the others.
I assume we have to wait until a big part of members will reach the maximum level to unlock everything and then we can see the best combinations.
I have three combinations which work well and cover most of the drills I have unlocked so far. My players were already balanced in the old version, so I can train them evenly in all three categories. I suppose it will be harder if you want to train specific players in specific area's only, or if you buy a new player which isn't balanced as you'd like.
So train light with first team then train harder with second team is a must then. Good tip guys thanks.
Is there like a special combination that is better than a random selection?
I was hoping to cover all 4 bonuses fully in one session, is that possible?
It is possible to cover all bonuses fully (if you have included the right players). I find I get the best results if I build my sessions like I would build a real life training, including balancing intensity. Play around with it a bit and you'll quickly get the hang of it.
I don't train my bench apart from my main team, I just look at condition. I even train my GK's with the rest of the team, although I'm still not sure if that's wise.
As for starting each training with warm-up: you would be training the same set of skills in every training. I'm not sure if that's a good idea in the long term. I'd rather try to use each drill as much as any other.
I have not figured how to max all bonuses, but I figured a 3-2-3-3 bonus with only about 7-7.5% burn and 8 players. There may be a bug because I get attack bonus (2-3 bars) just for chasing the lads onto the field. No attackers at all in the practice (if you don't count a single AR/AMR) and I get the bonuses I expect (possession and condition), get only 2 bars for defense despite having four D in the practice, and 3 bars for attack for nothing. I'm afraid they are going to fix, but for now I'm milking it. Of course, using the same combo over and over again overtrains certain skills. Oh well, I'm addicted to having full bonuses for every game (only last one since the new version came out), so that's my first priority.
Funny, I was busy the first 3 days of the new version and thought when I came back you guys would have it all figured out and written down. I forgot it took 2-3 years to amass the tribal knowledge that is now considered common sense. For once I'm on the bleeding edge.
But I'm still burning through green packs to keep up. Remember when they gave us 50 free to learn the new system? That brought me up to 120. Now I'm down to 62 with the latest injection. I'll see if I can go a day without burning a green. Probably unrealistic. Getting knocked out of cup will help. :)
lol why are you warming up your players at the end of training, pistol? always start with warmup or stretching or both
I think that in the end, the best way to use this is not like a bonus addict, as many people sure try to do... probably the secret is try to focus training in youngers (or powwertrain if one have enough green) , try to save condition depending of your sistation, and try to focus in "overtrain" 1 bonus using and consuming the condition of the subs' in benefit of the initial 11 when is needed.
So the guide of how to use bonus should be more, a guide of how to control youself and focus in how to go for 1 way and not 4 to don't waste too much condition for these bonuses.
#autocontrol
It is wise. Pass go shoot, for example, also improves anticipation, a GK attribute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duncton
Anyone know what are the best drills for the main training? I train all my players with two attacking drills, two defence drills and one physical? And is it better to go for one hard training or 3 easy?
No real difference as long as you aren't duplicating drills on players more than twice daily. some combinations are better than others.
I would not overestimate the meta-impacts of various drills (like order, combination...etc) - it is still very likely that what only counts is the figures - meaning that utilizing this "fancy-named" drill just adds to such and such combination of skills in respective amount of % in exchange of this % of condition. Contrarily to the real world I am not sure it really matters whether you finish with the warm-up - in my opinion it is just calculation, no metaphysics.
Consequently, it is now much harder to customize the team - if that used to have any impact whatsoever...
That's another reason I have 3 different sessions:Quote:
Originally Posted by Apex
2 att + 2 def + 1 phys
2 att + 1 def + 2 phys
1 att + 2 def + 2 phys
Although I didn't look at intensity, so I might still be overtraining certain aspects. I'm all for balance. :p
One of my perfect sessions is easy - easy - easy - hard - very easy. Build up, balance intensity and don't make your sessions too hard. Your players won't like it.
True. But if I throw GK training in as well, it would be wasting condition of my field players (or wouldn't it? Will they still gain progress towards their next skill? That's one question I really like to have an answer to.). I have considered training them in normal drills with the rest of the team for half of their condition, then train them seperately in GK training for the other half. But that feels like a lot of work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arion
@Duncton I feel it will waste the condition of outfield players, since their skills aren't trained.
So how do you do it? Do you train your GK's in GK training apart from the team? Or do you just take your losses?
Earlier I used to train GKs and the others separately, but now I rarely use GK training much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duncton
I think you are worrying too much about things that are rather trivial. Each drill tells you what skill they are going to improve. It's just maths, not sport. I do not pay any attention to their names. There is no problem putting warm-up at the end, in the middle or at the beginning. The thing is you are just going to progress in the skills included in the warm-up drill. And the name is just a joke. They could call it "baking a pizza" it would be the same thing and improve fitness, aggression, heading and reflexes.
Lol, perhaps but I try to play sims with elements of realism.
Warm-down ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoofDaddy
I've been selecting them at random because I'm not sure if there is a pattern in what order you train them
ah, yes, you don't know until you test it, and a warm down isn't a bad idea I've done some successful easy medium very hard medium easy trainings
I did a small test with pass and shoot then warm up and done it in reverse there's no difference in training.
I think it's just balance and calculation atm.
I have not been able to do better than 3+2+3+3 bonus bars for 7.5% condition burn for 8 people. If anyone can do better, let me know. Change one drill, and the bonus bars drop.
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The best I got.
Thanks... I'll give that a try. Best I was getting was full bars on all bonuses, but at 9.75% condition
You're welcome. I did it by accident really.
Best result with high training (13,5%) was with warming up (blue) - sprint (blue) - pressure (green) - fast counters (red) - shooting (red). 12,78% in the end but all 4 classes 3 bars.
I've been looking at training in a different way. I uses this topic as a start:
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...ills-list.html
Still missing a few drills, but here's what I've come up with (I don't have the last one yet):
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As it is, it isn't perfect in building towards bonusses (3-2-2-2 blue bars). What it does do:
- It trains all attacking, defensive, physical and 5/10 GK skills.*
- It's leaning towards training attack and defense. For me that isn't a problem, I noticed I've been overtraining my players physically.
- Intensity isn't balanced yet.
I do have an Excel file, but not sure how/where to upload it.
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*So far only GK training trains Throwing and Kicking (as well as Aerial Reach), only Counter Attack trains Communication. For Concentration there are a few options.
Has anyone tested what's the most efficient way of getting the full bonus pie/progress thing filled? I don't think getting the 3 blue bars mean you're getting everything out of your training, there's differences between full 3 bars. What I mean is, you can do -6% condition training for 4 players and have 15% bonus pie filled. Or you can do -9% training for 4 players and get 20%. And both show 3 blue bars. Or am I wrong and it's as simple as getting 3 bars?
I haven't done any proper calculations but I think I can get all 4 bonus pies full using 18% condition on 8 midfielders, 24% on 8 defenders and 12% on 5 strikers. That's without videos or trainer.
That would be combined 396% condition used.
How many times you got to do the -6% condition using training for 11 players to max out all bonuses?
I don't think you can really optimize the trainingskills for bonuses. There is a lot of training to do to reach level 35. Im now on level 24. i managed to get a max bonus on training like this
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Itry to split up the team by training def/mid/attack sperately once a day. Also once a day a complete team and for getting the needed trainingen i train subs.
for trainingen i always start with warming and a second fysics training. Further one or two defend and att exercises.
