I dont understand this game and i am angry!!!

[Ahlony Wong]

No, it is you who misunderstood me. I know what you mean, and yes players are not fixed about their positions. What I meant is if you face an opponent using a formation like GK-DL-DR-DML-DMR-ML-MR-AML-AMR-ST, then an appropriate penalty should apply in respect to what is wrong in there. If you think it that it is not possible to face such formations, just ask other 'old' users here and they will tell you up to what kind of strange formations they have faced.

Based on your post, I can say that you have underestimated me. I probably know much more about football and tactics than you. Take into consideration that you might meet anyone, with any kind of experience, knowledge, qualifications and so on on internet. Do not underestimate people. I have watched and played a lot of football, have learnt many things about football tactics and training, and also managed teams (university level) in real life. In terms of video games, I have played both management games and player games before this game.

What is there or what is asked to be done in this game is very very simple as compared to what is there in real life. There can't be much comparison between those two in many terms. Football is much much more complicated and difficult than many people might think of, especially those that only know about football video games or about what they see on the internet or on television. In terms of video games itself, it can be said that this game is very simple. Try to play FM 2015 or 2016, you will see yourself. Some people might think that T11 has much football sense or is what football management is. This is not the case. T11 is very far from a proper football management simulation game, but it provides something extra that makes it fun to play.

P.S: Your reply is kind of inappropriate; either you misunderstood me or you underestimated me or both. I suggest you to read (or re-read) well all my posts here and try to understand what I meant.

well... i am not trying to argue, but first of all, i hope you 「take back 」what you said " Do not underestimate people" so, you can "underestimate" me? (you have done all things in real life or watch whatever people do, means you are better than me???) better watch what you said ok?

also, i didn't "underestimate" anyone, this is "base on " what you think, and you create this "underestimate" theory. not what i mean.

btw, i know what you talking about "GK-DL-DR-DML-DMR-ML-MR-AML-AMR-ST," which is also "side", but "yes players are not fixed about their positions" all were what you said (and yes, i said too) so, you mean DL, DML ML AML only running at the side and only stick to the side, not going to move?? so you need "appropriate penalty" ?? (and if you want to make a point here, go back and re-read what i am talking about this, ok?)

and i am replying to the topic at the first place (don't you see what i am saying in the last post?? if you really don't see that, you are the one should be go back and "re-read" what i am talking about, ok?? )

"Do not underestimate people" that is what you said, so you have whatever in you real life is not meaning you understand better than me, ok?

end with discussing with you, my first respond is replying to the topic, and again if you don't understand what i am talking about, you should go back and re-read it and don't underestimate and misunderstand me~ have a good day.

[Joseph P Brenner]

Mr. wong working for top 11 i reckon
they deleting posts i wrote , there is no way you can say your opinions here if they againts top11 allegedly

[Tactician]

well... i am not trying to argue, but first of all, i hope you 「take back 」what you said " Do not underestimate people" so, you can "underestimate" me? (you have done all things in real life or watch whatever people do, means you are better than me???) better watch what you said ok?

also, i didn't "underestimate" anyone, this is "base on " what you think, and you create this "underestimate" theory. not what i mean.

btw, i know what you talking about "GK-DL-DR-DML-DMR-ML-MR-AML-AMR-ST," which is also "side", but "yes players are not fixed about their positions" all were what you said (and yes, i said too) so, you mean DL, DML ML AML only running at the side and only stick to the side, not going to move?? so you need "appropriate penalty" ?? (and if you want to make a point here, go back and re-read what i am talking about this, ok?)

and i am replying to the topic at the first place (don't you see what i am saying in the last post?? if you really don't see that, you are the one should be go back and "re-read" what i am talking about, ok?? )

"Do not underestimate people" that is what you said, so you have whatever in you real life is not meaning you understand better than me, ok?

end with discussing with you, my first respond is replying to the topic, and again if you don't understand what i am talking about, you should go back and re-read it and don't underestimate and misunderstand me~ have a good day.

I have spoken for the part as quoted below.

well...i think you have a wrong idea ...this is football... well... what you mean all players are on the side?? you mean if i put all player in the right side and my players are only stick on right side and leave the left side open??? NO, this is football, even you DC will run to the opposite box to pass or shot...they are and they always will, even that is not their primary role. and let say i put AML, ML, AML and DL, next to it I put AMC, MC, DMC, DC and than i put 1 ST in the left front and another DC in the right (or whatever position to put on the right)

You said I am wrong? Wrong in what?
I never said what you are claiming, that is players don't move on to the pitch or do not move away from the 'assigned' positions. This why I have said you underestimated me. Because, you insinuated that I said such things. This is complete nonsense in terms of football. How can I say that players don't move away from their positions? What are you talking about? What have you understood?

I have spoken for inappropriate formations where an appropriate penalty should apply with respect to what is wrong in there. Moi, understood what I meant. What the 'author' meant is something else, and for sure it is not appropriate. What I have said and the 'author' of this thread said in these terms are very very different.

You have not read my posts well. You misunderstood what I see.

[Tactician]

Ahlony Wong, this 'illegal formation' thing is something that I have never agreed with in this game. Like you said, you should be free to use whatever formation you want, that is there should be no penalty in these terms. However, if ever the formation is inappropriate to be used against a particular opponent, then of course it should be classified as inferior. In fact, in some cases, illegal formations have been observed to be superior. But, some people have mentioned the possible purpose of having the 'illegal formation' system. This might prevent unexpected outcomes (referred here by many users as 'troll' results). But, still 'troll results' have been occurring. So, this game might be fooling you.

Apparently, in the past, there was the illegal formation system in this game. The penalties imposed were apparently a reduction in possession. Some of it still appear to be there.

The question is why should there be a penalty (whatever sort of penalty) just because you use of a formation that has at the back say only 2DC, followed by DMR and DML, or like you say a formation that has no ST. In fact, this make no sense, since playing with an extra midfielder instead of a ST might give you more ball possession, and also playing with DMR and DML might give you more ball possession. Penalties should be there only when the formation or orders you have selected are not appropriate for facing your next opponent. That is, reasons should be tactical or in terms of football, not just because a user did not make use of an ST or did not make use of at least 3 defenders..

Of course if a team plays a formation where all the players (except the GK) are on the side, then there should be a penalty, but in that case, the formation should classified as tactically inappropriate, and the penalty imposed should be in relation to what is tactically wrong in that formation.

No, it is you who misunderstood me. I know what you mean, and yes players are not fixed about their positions. What I meant is if you face an opponent using a formation like GK-DL-DR-DML-DMR-ML-MR-AML-AMR-ST, then an appropriate penalty should apply in respect to what is wrong in there. If you think it that it is not possible to face such formations, just ask other 'old' users here and they will tell you up to what kind of strange formations they have faced.

I have highlighted the parts. Yet, you say that I'm wrong. Based on your reply, you either misunderstood me or you did not read the posts well. What the author of this thread suggested in terms of penalties and what I have said are totally different.

Take into consideration that this is a simulation game. There has to be things for the system to distinguish between what is good and what is wrong, and to apply appropriate penalties so that the final outcomes (match results) are logic. Whatever is happening on the pitch is based on whatever the game has decided there will be as final outcome. All variables are considered and a final overall decision is taken, and a simulated segment is sent for you see.

I stop here for this because it seems that you don't want to see what has been really said, and what you did wrong in your replies to me.

[Ahlony Wong]

I have spoken for the part as quoted below.


You said I am wrong? Wrong in what?
I never said what you are claiming, that is players don't move on to the pitch or do not move away from the 'assigned' positions.

if you don't understand this part, why don't you go back and re-read the post?? you keep saying people misunderstood you and "asked" people to go back to re-read the post, but why don't you go back to see what my post is talking to which post?

and than you were funny bringing the "underestimate" thing here. and again, this is what you think, not I mean. you keep think that way, no one can stop you.
but you said

.... I probably know much more about football and tactics than you.....Do not underestimate people ...

even in this post has a logical problem, you ask people do not underestimate people, but right before that, you think you probably know more than me base on you own real life or whatever internet video things (that is underestimate), doesn't it sounds funny already??

I have spoken for inappropriate formations where an appropriate penalty should apply with respect to what is wrong in there. Moi, understood what I meant. What the 'author' meant is something else, and for sure it is not appropriate. What I have said and the 'author' of this thread said in these terms are very very different.

You have not read my posts well. You misunderstood what I see.

i think you really the one don't read the post well... don't you see that (below)~

....i think the only penalty is like Moi said....

really, don't you see that??? ok, whatever you like to say, or funny underestimate or misunderstood whatever, go ahead. I am done with this post~ i am not going to reply anymore with you in this post~ that's kind of waste time with the "underestimate" well known soccer things' one~