Cup draw needs to be fixed

Hi all,

Since I started this game, I have been in a higher cup draw every single season. This year, against a team two leagues higher than me AGAIN, I didn't manage to make it out of qualification (even though I had won it the two prior seasons).

Coupled with the fact these guys sell players at the end of the season, and use lower quality players to manipulate the draw, making it near impossible for us to win : this is something that needs to be fixed, and fixed NOW. Once again it has ruined my entire season, and makes me just want to start again at level one so I can get a fair crack at the cup.

Cheers.

So does the Cup draw need to be fixed UGRENTLY, or not?

My favorite fix is:

Only people in same league can participate together. (may need one or two bot teams, or award top players from last year's cup a by in the first round).

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My favorite fix is:
Only people in same league can participate together.

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and Tansin, the 8* team which won the last season league and CH.l. will won the Cup too ?
No, I don't think so, I prefer this way.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Nifield

Coupled with the fact these guys sell players at the end of the season, and use lower quality players to manipulate the draw, making it near impossible for us to win : this is something that needs to be fixed, and fixed NOW. Once again it has ruined my entire season, and makes me just want to start again at level one so I can get a fair crack at the cup.

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I understand what you are trying to say. One choice would be to disable transfers 1 week before new season so that people stop selling their current level's stars or buy weaker players. This 14-best players can still be exploited in the last day. Also disable instant sell during that last 7-day period. Not funny to meet 1-2 (sometimes even more) levels higher active manager with weak team and the next day to come back with 6* 7* 8* squad and eliminate you from the first round.

Cup and champns league no more possible !!!!!!
I am level 42 and i play against teams level 44/45 and they earn cup and champions league every season because not enough teams on my server !!! No more possible, change something nirdeus!!!! I am ready to spend money for tokens but just bevause of that i don't buy because no interesting impossible to win the 3 competitions!!!!! Change this and fast please !!!!
Administrators, changement preview for this ???

I assume that's a terrible joke. Or is it that you actually want to perpetuate a system which you can exploit, to get easy cups so that you don't have to go up against any real competition and spoil everyone else's fun? It's either a joke, or about the most selfish position someone could possibly take.

If you can't stand the competition in your own league, then hold back a year, or realize you aren't good enough to win. Most people just want a fair competition, against people who have been playing the same amount of time as them. It's not too much to ask. All this cheating crap that is encouraged on the forums is bull.

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Originally Posted by Aris Vardakas

I understand what you are trying to say. One choice would be to disable transfers 1 week before new season so that people stop selling their current level's stars or buy weaker players. This 14-best players can still be exploited in the last day. Also disable instant sell during that last 7-day period. Not funny to meet 1-2 (sometimes even more) levels higher active manager with weak team and the next day to come back with 6* 7* 8* squad and eliminate you from the first round.

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That could be one way, but you are only stopping cheating, not evening out a system where you play against people playing much longer than you.

i talked about that so long.... and before i say that is "cheating" ....
i suggest that the CUP draw is go for totally random for +/- 1 Level will be more fair~

now the stronger team you are, the higher level team you meet to balance the Q ---> this is a stupid idea~ (i don't know who come up this idea... but he is STUPID!" every season i am facing at least 3 LV higher than me~ and the team Q has limited to level~ like what the hack is that system~ my LV13 team .... 7 star player is just look like to be a 3 star team in LV 17 "cheating" team who sell all the player in the last couple days of the last season. he can easily overpower a LV 13 team even using 5 stars players~ fair??? this is totally unfair!

well... and some people will say, the lower LV CUP they go, the lower $$ they gain, but still, they take up to final and gain more than usually what he has to be go over in his LV!!

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Originally Posted by Aris Vardakas

I understand what you are trying to say. One choice would be to disable transfers 1 week before new season so that people stop selling their current level's stars or buy weaker players. This 14-best players can still be exploited in the last day. Also disable instant sell during that last 7-day period. Not funny to meet 1-2 (sometimes even more) levels higher active manager with weak team and the next day to come back with 6* 7* 8* squad and eliminate you from the first round.

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So, should Top Eleven have 2 transfer windows? Let's say one is from Day 1-7 and another is from Day 15-16.

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Originally Posted by Arion

So, should Top Eleven have 2 transfer windows? Let's say one is from Day 1-7 and another is from Day 15-16.

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I suspect with just 2 transfer windows, it's gonna be a massacre every time you want to buy a player and in the end I doubt you will get one (unless you have many many tokens). Forming a team will be harder as well. But if the transfer window closes 1 week before the season's finale, then I assume it reduces the chance of some people getting into weaker cups, because you stop them from selling their team or buying 3* players (I don't think if someone goes for the treble or double will sell his squad till the last day, do you?). If they want, they can always stay in the same level as many times as they want with 1* 2* 3* squad, get into weaker cups and then reform their team, but then again if you stay in the same level, you don't get a place in the Champion's League, so they might get discouraged to do this anyway.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Nifield

That could be one way, but you are only stopping cheating, not evening out a system where you play against people playing much longer than you.

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I wouldn't call it cheating and that's because the game itself is made for allowing it, well, for now (what I'm saying is people are just taking advantage of it). Although I have the same opinion as you on this. But I guess if it's stopped, we'll see more balanced cups.

I don't think, one or two transfer windows will solve this "issue". I think, the main thing is, that managers who train, like, love their squads/players will get disadvantage of keeping the players. And that's the biggest issue... no real club will sell his (best) players, only for showing a weakness... -.-
I think, one of the best ideas is, match them on their levels: 1-3, 4-6, 7-9,... so there's every third season the best chance to win the cup.

I'm one of those manager, who builds up his squad over a whole season, where I don't cared much on standings. And now I'm the dumb, because I have a pretty good team for my managerlevel... and that's really frustrating and annoying. :(

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Originally Posted by nash123

no real club will sell his (best) players, only for showing a weakness... -.-

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Except that in top eleven, they do...
As far it goes for 1-3 levels and a best chance every 3rd season, it doesn't sound charming.... I would personally want to be competitive every season, otherwise if you get to face a 2-level higher manager from 1st round and get eliminated (best scenario is this, let's face it), you lose your precious money from the cup.

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Originally Posted by Aris Vardakas

I understand what you are trying to say. One choice would be to disable transfers 1 week before new season so that people stop selling their current level's stars or buy weaker players. This 14-best players can still be exploited in the last day. Also disable instant sell during that last 7-day period. Not funny to meet 1-2 (sometimes even more) levels higher active manager with weak team and the next day to come back with 6* 7* 8* squad and eliminate you from the first round.

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I think disabling transfer for 1 week near the end of season can be considered. However, it may reduce transfer activities and revenue of Nordeus, I don't think restricting transfer activities to short windows of a few days is reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Nifield

Hi all,

Since I started this game, I have been in a higher cup draw every single season. .......

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If a higher cup draw means playing with higher level teams in Cup, it is impossible unless you do not start to play from level 1.:)

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Originally Posted by Ahlony Wong

i talked about that so long.... and before i say that is "cheating" ....
i suggest that the CUP draw is go for totally random for +/- 1 Level will be more fair~
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If Cup Draw go for totally random, it must draw from pools of teams in same level or a set of several levels. For a pool with several levels, there should still be some teams having advantages as higher level teams in that set.

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Originally Posted by cookizzz

I think disabling transfer for 1 week near the end of season can be considered. However, it may reduce transfer activities and revenue of Nordeus, I don't think restricting transfer activities to short windows of a few days is reasonable.

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I don't think anybody buys players for next season during the last 7 days, except for weakening their squad for weaker cups.

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Originally Posted by Aris Vardakas

I don't think anybody buys players for next season during the last 7 days, except for weakening their squad for weaker cups.

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I actually want to avoid teams lowering qualities before season end.

BTW, I can imagine that some teams can also buy players to build team near the end of season. For example, teams which cannot promote to next level, and teams which keep in low quality like average 3 star so that they compete in 3 star league in every seasons.

I avoided a promotion for 2 seasons, while building up a good team for the cup. Last season I ended up winning a lvl 16 cup while I was 13. However I already planned for the infamous "easy cup draw exploit". I now ended up in a much much MUCH easier league with 1* or even 2* teams while even the cup is a lot easier.
I am now guilty of the same crime I've been a victim for several seasons. Yeah, I might win but this surely will piss off a lot of people.

I also agree to implement a better draw for the cup without having to exploit it because it leads to 2 problems:

1) Unfair cup to some players. Contrary to real football where a weaker team can actually eliminate a stronger team in a single leg match, here it's nearly impossible for a 3* or 4* star team to win against a stronger team in 2 legs.

2) You have to dismantle a good team to get a good draw. I had 2 sell 2 6* players that I now miss because I couldn't find a replacement, unless I spend 1 or even 2 seasons to get them to the same level with a SA and a second or third role. You should keep players for more seasons like in real football instead of working continously on the market, instead of being an occasional activity during the season.

However, having only a few market window despite realism will close the game even more and make it more "static", other than preventing Nordeus to get their money (which is what they are working for).

I don't know if a slight improvement in player's progression is gonna help keeping a good team together, or that we need to rework the cup draw itself. I hardly found in the cup the same teams I faced in the league, and those where much more balanced (to me at least).

I think that the first cup leg could be "blind", and working as a real qualification round where you can't see your next opponents. Once you win it the game can calculate the next round as normal with equivalent opponents. I think this way you can't really plan for an easy draw in advance.

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Originally Posted by Tyltyl

However, having only a few market window despite realism will close the game even more and make it more "static", other than preventing Nordeus to get their money (which is what they are working for).

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Then it could be made so we can't buy 3* and 4*. Keep it open for just 5* players and of course nothing happens to scout players. Just disable the opportunity to buy 3-4* players in the last 7 days.

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Originally Posted by cookizzz

I actually want to avoid teams lowering qualities before season end.

BTW, I can imagine that some teams can also buy players to build team near the end of season. For example, teams which cannot promote to next level, and teams which keep in low quality like average 3 star so that they compete in 3 star league in every seasons.

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By making it possible to buy only 5* players in the last 7 days, teams who cannot promote to next level can still build their teams. AND you get to disable the opportunity of those who keep weak teams to get into easier leagues/cups.

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Originally Posted by Aris Vardakas

Then it could be made so we can't buy 3* and 4*. Keep it open for just 5* players and of course nothing happens to scout players. Just disable the opportunity to buy 3-4* players in the last 7 days.

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That could be unfair to those who can't afford better players and just want a substitute. Since I couldn't find any better players for the moment I bought a 3* player to train if I ever need a substitution.
Unfortunately you will never know if you are buying a low level to exploit the draw or because you really want it.

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Originally Posted by Tyltyl

That could be unfair to those who can't afford better players and just want a substitute. Since I couldn't find any better players for the moment I bought a 3* player to train if I ever need a substitution.
Unfortunately you will never know if you are buying a low level to exploit the draw or because you really want it.

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One problem leads to another :)
But you have the whole season to buy a substitute, why wait till the last week to do so?
And also you got the academy.

To my opinion, the cup is perfect as it is. I won it 3 times by manipulating my squad and 3 times without. There is always a way to win it. But remember, in all cases, it takes luck and maybe was I lucky more than deserved...

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

To my opinion, the cup is perfect as it is. I won it 3 times by manipulating my squad and 3 times without. There is always a way to win it. But remember, in all cases, it takes luck and maybe was I lucky more than deserved...

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Some people say luck is a skill too haha.
In the subject, I don't really care to be honest, just throwing some ideas to make it more challenging and fun for all.
I always play my matches despite the quality difference. Won the cup last season, eliminated in 1st match this season. I win and I lose, it's just how it is.

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

To my opinion, the cup is perfect as it is. I won it 3 times by manipulating my squad and 3 times without. There is always a way to win it. But remember, in all cases, it takes luck and maybe was I lucky more than deserved...

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I also won a difficult cup last season, but I lost every other until now, some were ok, some were unfair. The fact that you can win it doesn't mean it works.
It's one winner out of 128 participants and for this reason alone it's difficult enough even without a huge quality gap that sometimes cripples teams that are well maintained and properly followed.

bumping for more votes