I thought I'm winning my games because of my formations and tactics, but sorry to say

Here is example [IMG]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...7c68503c65.jpgfirst leg of cup semifinal, my opponent quality is 128%, my team quality is 114%
So I decided to do a test, I set weird tactics hard attacking, passing through right flank( without MR & AMR),easy tackle, low pressing etc... My players are condition is about to 75% ( because I played a league game before 3 hours) didn't trained my players, I removed win bonus, his formation 4-3(w)-1-2, I win this game by 3-2, my AMC and 2 Strikers scored each goals...
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...f8e1912426.jpg 2nd leg game, Hard defending, other tactics are same as first leg games, removed win bonus, this time my players condition is about to 60%( when I played league game 3 hour before my team conditions is 80% average, so after the league game my players went down to 60%) didn't trained players, his formation was same as first leg, game result 4-4, I went to final,
If I played this game with any legal formation & tactics I should have won, by this way what's the use of tactics & formation, player condition and many other things? In my way just buy good players, train them daily, you don't need to attend match, you will achieve top 4 place in any of 2 competitions,

you are lucky and should be very happy with the result. bt what work for you might not work on other manager. there is alot of factor which we cannot understand in te like you mention formation,bonus,condition and many more.
my question is your oppo watching and how is his player condition? he might not be intrested or left the game. which is ofcoz unlikely.
in term of quality is not a suprise anymore expecially in CL. i seen alot of high quality team beaten and out of the tournament.
anyway i am happy for you.������

Sunil- I actually think that are some great health signs from the game. Just shows that we all are looking for different things from a game like this! ;)

Take this scenarios in real life, how do you think they would affect games:
-Mourinho tells his player to look for passing the ball up the right side if they have the opportunity, but then puts a team on the field with no MR/AMR. Do you a) think that Smalling and co. would send the ball up the ride side just giving it away, or b) pass to someone else instead?
-One team has had a tough schedule and is playing a team that has had an easy schedule. Is it a given that the well rested team wins?
-Mourinho tells his team to attack at every opportunity they get, will Smalling and co make dumb decisions?

I am not saying that it is wrong, but many obviously want this to be more than a realistic "manager" game. They want it to be more like Chess or Clash Royale, where you -- control -- the out-come of the game.

Nevio Scala is a tremendously successful former coach of Parma in Serie A. I think he won just short of 10 titles in Italia and Europe with that team, still many of his ex-players will claim that he knows nothing about soccer. They will say, with Scala as the coach the players have to coach themselves. He picked the team, said some dumb things, the players sat silently when he talked and then looked at each other thinking we will figure something out. I don't know anything about that, but fact of a matter is that many coaches have won titles at places and then failed tremendously at other places because they really wasn't good coaches to start it. Other times, the coach can be a great factor for his team winning a title, or do a heroic job and see his team relegated.

I have seen many players claim that there is something wrong with the game because they cannot "mess" their team up. "Even if I give them stupid orders they will not give the game away?" But seriously, if a "real" coach gives a "real" player a "stupid" order, what will he do?

I had this debate with another poster that was tremendously frustrated with his players making short passes despite him ordering them to make short passes. How could they make short passes when he ordered them to make long passes??? I checked the Premier league stats.

R -- Team Long Balls pg --Short Passes pg -- Short Passes %
1 Watford 80 308 79,4%
2 Crystal Palace 74 293 79,8%
3 Norwich 74 313 80,9%
4 Everton 73 405 84,7%
5 Leicester 72 282 79,7%
6 Sunderland 71 270 79,2%
7 West Bromwich Albion 71 255 78,2%
8 Manchester United 71 461 86,7%
9 West Ham 70 332 82,6%
10 Newcastle United 69 333 82,8%
11 Tottenham 68 427 86,3%
12 Aston Villa 67 341 83,6%
13 Southampton 67 355 84,1%
14 Bournemouth 67 394 85,5%
15 Swansea 65 419 86,6%
16 Stoke 63 371 85,5%
17 Liverpool 63 460 88,0%
18 Chelsea 62 461 88,1%
19 Manchester City 56 487 89,7%
20 Arsenal 49 513 91,3%

It shows what I am trying to say, Watford, making by far the most long balls in the PL, made short passes 80% of the time as opposed to Arsenal (the team making the most short passes) making them 90% of the time. The difference in the real world is that the team making the most long passes -- in 1 of 10 situations will pass long instead of short compared to the team making the most short passes. So if there was an option for "Extreme Long Passing Style" and one for "Extreme Short Passing Style", if the game was realistic, the result would be that one made a long pass once in 10 passes more.

I don't think, a manager left, if his team is at the semifinals of the Cup.

But... for sure, I think, there was a change... my normal way doesn't work anymore. I use other tactics. F.E. todays CL-Semi: I was down 0:2 vs 60% weaker opponent at 50' with old tactics. At 50', I only changed tactics (to "new ones"), finally I won 6:2. Same at League game: I used old tactic, at halftime I was down 0:1 vs 50% weaker team. At halftime I changed to new tactic, finally I won 7:1.
That's only today... this started friday. On Sunday, Monday and yesterday, I used new tactic, no problems. Today, I just want to test, if it was just random... and now I'm sure, to use new tactic.

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Originally Posted by HairDryer

you are lucky and should be very happy with the result. bt what work for you might not work on other manager. there is alot of factor which we cannot understand in te like you mention formation,bonus,condition and many more.
my question is your oppo watching and how is his player condition? he might not be intrested or left the game. which is ofcoz unlikely.
in term of quality is not a suprise anymore expecially in CL. i seen alot of high quality team beaten and out of the tournament.
anyway i am happy for you.👍

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I mentioned about another game result in another thread, if they decided you to make win or lose a game, you can't change result with changing tactics & formation, game result will only change if some one set a illegal formation, this is the story of my team,
Today I won cup tournament I knew it already when I beat stronger opponent in Semis, but I won because of their random game engine system, not because of my formation and tactics

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I don't think, a manager left, if his team is at the semifinals of the Cup.

But... for sure, I think, there was a change... my normal way doesn't work anymore. I use other tactics. F.E. todays CL-Semi: I was down 0:2 vs 60% weaker opponent at 50' with old tactics. At 50', I only changed tactics (to "new ones"), finally I won 6:2. Same at League game: I used old tactic, at halftime I was down 0:1 vs 50% weaker team. At halftime I changed to new tactic, finally I won 7:1.
That's only today... this started friday. On Sunday, Monday and yesterday, I used new tactic, no problems. Today, I just want to test, if it was just random... and now I'm sure, to use new tactic.

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I hardly believe that the game system was different from manager to manager,
Last season I'm full active whole season I never missed a single game, I had a best team in my league, but still my team got many weird results I got 4th position very hardly,
This season I played with same team, there are many better teams in my league, I put a same formation in almost of games, I didn't attend many games now my team at the top of table, I'm at top not because of my tactics, it's because of their system, that's it

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I thought I'm winning my games because of my formations and tactics, but sorry to say

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Many people think that this game is like Chess but actually it's like Backgammon.
It needs strategy, tactics, experience but a good/bad roll dice can be critical.
If you played those two games, you know ;)

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I don't think, a manager left, if his team is at the semifinals of the Cup.

But... for sure, I think, there was a change... my normal way doesn't work anymore. I use other tactics. F.E. todays CL-Semi: I was down 0:2 vs 60% weaker opponent at 50' with old tactics. At 50', I only changed tactics (to "new ones"), finally I won 6:2. Same at League game: I used old tactic, at halftime I was down 0:1 vs 50% weaker team. At halftime I changed to new tactic, finally I won 7:1.
That's only today... this started friday. On Sunday, Monday and yesterday, I used new tactic, no problems. Today, I just want to test, if it was just random... and now I'm sure, to use new tactic.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

Many people think that this game is like Chess but actually it's like Backgammon.
It needs strategy, tactics, experience but a good/bad roll dice can be critical.
If you played those two games, you know ;)

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Tactics, formation doesn't work in this game, if game engine wants us to win or loss a game that only happens, no matter which formation & tactics u use u will win/lose that match followed by game engine system(u can only change results by using illegal formations,
I only mentioned 2-3 match examples but I realised lately why I'm winning against strong teams, my players are not in good condition but still I didn't loose against strong opponent, it's not normal, well this is just a start I will test more games against stronger opponents in upcoming season,

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Originally Posted by Sunil Chetri

Tactics, formation doesn't work in this game, if game engine wants us to win or loss a game that only happens, no matter which formation & tactics u use u will win/lose that match followed by game engine system(u can only change results by using illegal formations,
I only mentioned 2-3 match examples but I realised lately why I'm winning against strong teams, my players are not in good condition but still I didn't loose against strong opponent, it's not normal, well this is just a start I will test more games against stronger opponents in upcoming season,

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My experience is pretty much the opposite. But, I think you need to achive certain things in a game to get a certain reaction.

A random order with a random formation will probably have zero or little impact.

A few examples:
-(i) With the right formation and (ii) the right opponent, I would definitely say that for example an order to focus the passing to a certain area of the field can have an impact.
-Possession is definitely impacted by how strong you are at center midfield, if you face a team that plays only with a MC and a AMC and you have 3+ MCs/DMCs, you will get more possesssion. With more possesssion, you will get more chances.
-If you can gain an advantage at either side of the pitch, without giving up too much in other areas, it can result in many goals and be very productive for you.
-Counter attack can be effectful at times -- but -- it can definitely be dangerous used in the wrong situation/against the wrong opponent. Set Counter-Attacks on in the wrong situation and you will get a steady stream of give aways around the center field and attacks against you.
-Hard tackles can improve your defense a bit, but it also definitely can give you more free-kicks against.

I think you need to look at it from this perspective.

1. The starting point is that a "normal" game is played. Ability vs ability is processed, and with a random factor you get an outcome.

2. If you manage to do something well, take advantage of the opponent in any area, like by;
(i) getting an advantage in an important area of the field (2 AMCs against no DMCs, a DL and a AML against only a DL on the other team)),
(ii) adding possession or creating chances focusing your passing to any area of the field by using short passing through the middle against a team with fewer MCs/DMCs than you or down a flank that is weak on the opponent,
(iii) by exploiting an offensive team with counter attacks, or sitting back and exploiting a team using counter attacks against you,
(iv) etc etc etc etc;
your actions can improve the chance of your team winning by it having more possesssion and hence more chances or directly creating more chances. This can definitely affect the outcome of a game.

3. If you make a misstake, by giving your opponent any of the above advantages, you can decrease the odds of your team winning by loosing possession and having more chances against you. This can definitely decrease the possibility of you winning games.

well..... since season 2.... until now.... my team use the same formation..... except 3 games in this season.... I against a very strong team almost same Q as me in the league.... i use a very defensive formation.... DL/DC/DC/DR, 2DMC, 1MC, AML AMR ST to against him.... i won home game 2:1.... i did the same thing today... won 3:1 at his home... i also use the same formation against the 3rd early this season...draw as 1:1....

but this are the only 3 games i use different formation since season 2 ...(now ...season 15 for me...going to 16) .... i won all title...except season 2 ~ and only lost two CL in all CL season ~ (well... CUP...i don't care.... stupid draw and i don't sell team in the end of the season.... so, LV15 vs LV20 in CUP~ will you still care this stupid CUP) ~

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Tactics, formation doesn't work in this game, if game engine wants us to win or loss a game that only happens, no matter which formation & tactics u use u will win/lose that match followed by game engine system(u can only change results by using illegal formations,

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Tactics & formation it's the first step.
The second is to watch your game, to "read" it and make some changes.
That's coaching and it does help.

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This season I played with same team, there are many better teams in my league, I put a same formation in almost of games, I didn't attend many games now my team at the top of table, I'm at top not because of my tactics, it's because of their system, that's it

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yea, if there are two teams without the managers, playing in auto, F & T has a small role to that.

Team abandoned for the last 2 weeks or so; no management, no counter tactics, no condition boosting, morale boosting and training as such, and so on. If you don't believe it, then ask other members here who are on this team's account friends' list.

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Do I need to say more?


Some people's replies here are more based on how the game was a few months or so ago and not this month or so (some might have been replying based on experiences from even way before). In other words, they have not considered and hence, verified the current state of the game. There are things that have been changed but hidden from you, but some users have been suspecting it, and tests that I have made using several other accounts confirmed it. Most users won't even notice the changes concerned because of the ways they had been playing this game. Create several other accounts and do tests, and see yourselves. Oh, and of course, if you test, say later in several weeks or months, where if ever those changes will be reverted back, you won't see what were wrong. So, be careful with the deductions you will make.

I would also add this: don't believe in everything that people from Nordeus tell you.

@Tactician I also have another 2 teams with google account just for testing and fun,i post pics only with one team because the other 1 when i log in had players 2 and 3 stars so it's no worth to show it (i have few seasons to log in)
The other team i made it last season for this 1,good team,5 players 6* and the rest 5*
So 1st day of this season i set formation and everything and let it play,i just log in now,last day of the season and I realised that I was not so lucky as u been (despite i was playing only league and cup,not qualified for ch l)
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@Tactician I also have another 2 teams with google account just for testing and fun,i post pics only with one team because the other 1 when i log in had players 2 and 3 stars so it's no worth to show it (i have few seasons to log in)
The other team i made it last season for this 1,good team,5 players 6* and the rest 5*
So 1st day of this season i set formation and everything and let it play,i just log in now,last day of the season and I realised that I was not so lucky as u been (despite i was playing only league and cup,not qualified for ch l)
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You don't get it. Managing (being active as we have been, putting all this effort and so on) does not make such a difference these days in terms of the final outcomes. In fact, it might make things even worst because the active manager might get frustrated with the behavior the game has these days. There is not much football sense in how things are and happen in this game. You can browse the forum and see how many users have quit after this season, and for what reasons. As long as you have decent players and a decent formation (and some other things which I will not say here), the game itself does most of the things. It is not like in a period a few months ago where being active mattered a lot. In some way, to describe the situation now, it can be said that the matches are more like matches on playback. Even in associations it is like this. The last associations' tournament I have played in, it was so clear. I noticed some things in the matches of the other members in my associations, and in the last associations' match for my team, in a way to say, I just sat back eating peanuts and see the other manager fighting (doing changes and so on) for nothing despite him having enough quality in his team as the outcomes on overall were already decided and there was no way he was going to win there unless there was a failure. Test matches using several accounts confirmed the suspicions. I even got a draw (120 min of play) against Mourinho FC using a weaker team and 0% training bonuses. Logical tactics and management (especially the adjustments done during matches) don't matter much these days. You think you are changing things during the matches but you got fooled. The goals would have come soon or later, even in the last minutes if required so that the pre-determined outcomes are be respected; like I have said, the matches are like on playback. Even quality seem to matter less than before unless you have it in your advantage in the extremes. You think I have decided to quit this game just like that, with still a lot of resources left in the account? I must have seen some really bad things in this game lately for me to have taken such a decision. What is even more wrong is that some people have been lying concerning this game. Why your team on auto mode has failed? This is because you lacked some things (the things I said I will not mention here), and also there can be only one winner from all those teams for each competition and so some teams have to fall behind. I have clearly said above that most users won't notice what is wrong because of the way they have been playing this game. If someone cannot see some things that are wrong, that does not mean that there is nothing wrong. So, no more arguments with me. If someone cannot see certain things for whatever reason or does not want to make the effort to find out, then his problem. If someone wants to get fooled, waste his money, effort and time, then again his problem. The game might still be fun in some way, especially for some people, but for me, the game 'lost it'.

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You don't get it. Managing (being active as we have been, putting all this effort and so on) does not make such a difference these days in terms of the final outcomes. In fact, it might make things even worst because the active manager might get frustrated with the behavior the game has these days. There is not much football sense in how things are and happen in this game. You can browse the forum and see how many users have quit after this season, and for what reasons. As long as you have decent players and a decent formation (and some other things which I will not say here), the game itself does most of the things. It is not like in a period a few months ago where being active mattered a lot. In some way, to describe the situation now, it can be said that the matches are more like matches on playback. Even in associations it is like this. The last associations' tournament I have played in, it was so clear. I noticed some things in the matches of the other members in my associations, and in the last associations' match for my team, in a way to say, I just sat back eating peanuts and see the other manager fighting (doing changes and so on) for nothing despite him having enough quality in his team as the outcomes on overall were already decided and there was no way he was going to win there unless there was a failure. Test matches using several accounts confirmed the suspicions. I even got a draw (120 min of play) against Mourinho FC using a weaker team and 0% training bonuses. Logical tactics and management (especially the adjustments done during matches) don't matter much these days. You think you are changing things during the matches but you got fooled. The goals would have come soon or later, even in the last minutes if required so that the pre-determined outcomes are be respected; like I have said, the matches are like on playback. Even quality seem to matter less than before unless you have it in your advantage in the extremes. You think I have decided to quit this game just like that, with still a lot of resources left in the account? I must have seen some really bad things in this game lately for me to have taken such a decision. What is even more wrong is that some people have been lying concerning this game. Why your team on auto mode has failed? This is because you lacked some things (the things I said I will not mention here), and also there can be only one winner from all those teams for each competition and so some teams have to fall behind. I have clearly said above that most users won't notice what is wrong because of the way they have been playing this game. If someone cannot see some things that are wrong, that does not mean that there is nothing wrong. So, no more arguments with me. If someone cannot see certain things for whatever reason or does not want to make the effort to find out, then his problem. If someone wants to get fooled, waste his money, effort and time, then again his problem. The game might still be fun in some way, especially for some people, but for me, the game 'lost it'.

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Maybe I don't get it,the worst thing is that not even you don't get what you are saying

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Well flo, if someone has a specific perception about the game, you cant' change it.
After all, it's about if like keep playing the game or not.

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Well flo, if someone has a specific perception about the game, you cant' change it.
After all, it's about if like keep playing the game or not.

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Totally agree with you Nik and I don't want to change someone's perception about the game,there are many users who left or they want to do it from different reasons, that's not my problem,anyone is free to do what he wants,what I don't like is people trying change others (like they know everything ) and saying that those who are still playing are fools. ...
You left the game,you said what you didn't like end of story...

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http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...b6fc5d1481.jpg this is one of league game from last season, both teams are almost equal quality team, winning manager is not attended his game while loosing manager got bad day achievement in his own home, winning team formation 4-3(mc)-2(w)-1, loosing team formation is 4-1-2-1-2ND

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With more possesssion, you will get more chances.

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Simply said, NO :)
I have numerous examples loosing despite having 70-30 possession.

We'll see when you will be playing for 3 years ;))

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Simply said, NO :)
I have numerous examples loosing despite having 70-30 possession.

We'll see when you will be playing for 3 years ;))

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Hm, I don't follow. Care to elaborate what you mean? Thanks!

What lvl are your son and daughter's teams? 3? 4?
By the time you reach lvl 31 you will see plenty of matches where you clearly dominate ( even 70-30 possession ) and still loose. It is worse when that happens in the cup as it happened for me in the last 4-5 seasons...

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What lvl are your son and daughter's teams? 3? 4?
By the time you reach lvl 31 you will see plenty of matches where you clearly dominate ( even 70-30 possession ) and still loose. It is worse when that happens in the cup as it happened for me in the last 4-5 seasons...

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Ah ok, I am sorry. Yeah I am sure I have some big upsets and dissapointments ahead of me.

I thought you ment that more possession -- as a general rule -- didn't result in more chances, my bad. :)

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http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...b6fc5d1481.jpg this is one of league game from last season, both teams are almost equal quality team, winning manager is not attended his game while loosing manager got bad day achievement in his own home, winning team formation 4-3(mc)-2(w)-1, loosing team formation is 4-1-2-1-2ND

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We can't tell after the game, but the two goals assisted by Wilkinson could be cornerkicks.

The winning team has more players in the midfield, so he has more possession. He is correct to have two wingers when the opponent has no midfielders on the wing. On the other hand, I'm surprised that the losing team could not score a single goal, as the opponent did not have a DMC nor an AMC.