Ever since the update, my team sucks

Ok guys, I'd like to know if anyone else has seen this happening.

I am Level 30, so no I'm not some noob who expects to win every match, I know that's not how it works, with that said...

My team last season lost 1 game across all competitions, 26-0 in league, which contained mostly active managers. I won CL as well.
I have kept the same orders, formation and players as last season, getting new players would be a bad strategy since i power trained many players and their ratings in the key categories were still very high, and they were all still under 25. I've won at least 1 cup or CL the last 5 season using essentially the same orders.

This season my team can't do anything right, and already have 2 draws and 2 losses to teams 5+% lower rated, including a pair of teams which i clobbered last season in league.

I train every day, and keep all my bonuses at either 8% or 10%.

Just recently playing attacking with 2 STs, AML and AMR, I was held to 2 shots at home in the first half against a team 9% lower whose manager wasn't even there (I eventually won 2-1, but was still outshot). I understand that you have bad games, I've played this game long enough to know that, but to have 3 or 4 in a row where your whole team just collectively plays well below expectation, that seriously makes you wonder if something has changed in the program.

A couple other managers in my FB group have reported their teams have been inexplicably under achieving as well this season.

I'm wondering if anyone else has had this happen to their team since the update?

Bridge- Some strategies might have been nerfed. Do you think there might be a reason for why the formation you used was targeted if that was the case?

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Originally Posted by Al Svanberg

Bridge- Some strategies might have been nerfed. Do you think there might be a reason for why the formation you used was targeted if that was the case?

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That's EXACTLY what I was thinking...

My typical settings were, 3N52V, with AML/AMR red, attacking, short passes, counters, high pressure, normal tackling, zonal.
I rarely ever deviated.

Why that would go from extremely successful to total crap I have no clue.

The same case. Very good team, 6* power trained, 26-0-0 and CL last year. But this season everything is the other way round...

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Originally Posted by Cholo Simeone

The same case. Very good team, 6* power trained, 26-0-0 and CL last year. But this season everything is the other way round...

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The other thing which troubles me is that in league I've been with pretty much the same crowd for the past 4 or 5 seasons.
There's about 6 of us usually dukeing it out for the top 4 slots, already lost to 2 of them which I have never lost to, and drew another guy who i slaughtered last season (tho he usually gives a good fight and was 3rd last season).

They also have very similar rosters and formations from prior matchups.

This really seems like not just having an off day...

Last 3 seasons I played 4-5-1v mostly, sometimes change the formation for counter; for changing my base formation 4-5-1v I don't have to change any players, I power train and give most of the players 3 positions. Today I sold all my scout players, even day before yesterday I bought one recommend scout, I also sold him today, I'm buying 3* cheap players then going to sell rest 14 players one by one. Yes, I'm Leaving the game; why, then I have write a big story. It's a very good game but some strategy I don't like; every season players skill lower way too much, dicing or bad day, competition team selection etc.

Especially lowerd players too much; Ie: on my first season I bought a dl/dc/dr with CK, he assisted over 15 but since lowerd the skill he can't even shoot the CK. Same thing with FK, areal or wall also goes bad soon their skill lowerd. I train my players everyday, you can judge, as lvl 4 manager my train lvl 50, 5000 training points not comes easily. My point is I train them they goes down way too much every season and there are not enough players on the market that buy every season new players and sell old lowerd players. Need too much time back n forth train the player then all over after 28 days boooom,

I salute those players who playing 30/40/50 seasons and having fun :)

well....i think that is about the players..... like my good MC, he is in my team for 10 season so far (i got him at 18...since than, he plays very well....and he is 28 right now...) at his 23, i got another MC to back him up....they both are fast trainer, and skill % are almost same (also both has FK)...now, one is 24....one is 28....the young one was doing good at the beginning, but now, when i put him on (cause i want to sell the 28 one....as he is getting old and not gaining exp fast)....the team doing not good... my team is 120%....vs a quit manger with ST, MC as DC...position not in order..... half time... i still only won 1:0...and other team even has more shoot than my team..... so, i took out the young 24 age MC....put the 28 age back....guess what... i won 8:0 at the end....

same thing happen in the CL....the 24 age MC on.... and i was not able to watch the game..... i lost 1:2 at home game.... and the opposite is only 75% vs my 120%-.-! one dump MC can mess up the whole team -.-!

@ Ahlony
I had 22 players, I sold 8 scouts, rest 14 I'll sell one by one when can buy any 2/3* player to replace, my players are between 18 - 24 yo. Only 2 players are 24 rest 18-22

What I noticed from the live matches is that, the goalies save a lot more often now, and what used to be sure goals, may now go wide.
There seem to be fewer counterattack quick breaks also.

I thought I was the only one who facing that problem. In Last 5 season I conceded less than 10 Goals. But this season I already conceded 6 goals in 4 League Matches & All team were lower quality than me. That formation I used in last 5 season isn't working anymore. I have to change formation in the Middle of the game to win the Match. Maybe they have made Change in Game Engine.

I rather agree with @Ahlony
Only one new player, can change the "balance", the "chemistry" of the team.
Maybe needs time to work together, play some games, observe if someone performs better in the side position (2 MCs or DCs or STs for example, the right and the left position).
There is another similar thread
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...w-version.html
but I don't see how the new update can affect the performance.
Even if there wasn't any, still many managers could report that their team, this season, after many successful previous seasons, cannot perform well (for no reason).

i have that last season, for the past 2 season they win me title power train no new player. but last season they suck even my top player and scorer this new season bought 4 nordgen they all on fire. my top player now on the bench. so i think you need to change 1 or 2 player in your team.

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Originally Posted by BridgeGoth

Ok guys, I'd like to know if anyone else has seen this happening.

I am Level 30, so no I'm not some noob who expects to win every match, I know that's not how it works, with that said...

My team last season lost 1 game across all competitions, 26-0 in league, which contained mostly active managers. I won CL as well.
I have kept the same orders, formation and players as last season, getting new players would be a bad strategy since i power trained many players and their ratings in the key categories were still very high, and they were all still under 25. I've won at least 1 cup or CL the last 5 season using essentially the same orders.

This season my team can't do anything right, and already have 2 draws and 2 losses to teams 5+% lower rated, including a pair of teams which i clobbered last season in league.

I train every day, and keep all my bonuses at either 8% or 10%.

Just recently playing attacking with 2 STs, AML and AMR, I was held to 2 shots at home in the first half against a team 9% lower whose manager wasn't even there (I eventually won 2-1, but was still outshot). I understand that you have bad games, I've played this game long enough to know that, but to have 3 or 4 in a row where your whole team just collectively plays well below expectation, that seriously makes you wonder if something has changed in the program.

A couple other managers in my FB group have reported their teams have been inexplicably under achieving as well this season.

I'm wondering if anyone else has had this happen to their team since the update?

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Same here, level 28, last season tripple, this season very bad just 1 win from 5 matches. Whole team 6* nordgen + special ability, the same equipment as a last season...but lets see, maybe just after tripple there is no motivation anymore 😂

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Another loss... and another one I just can't explain.

63% possession, and despite playing an ATTACKING style the entire match with a 15% attacking bonus, get outshot 10-2. I was there, and the other squad manger was not.

That just doesn't make sense. This is the kind of crap that use to happen on the OLD version, back before they had the new training and bonuses.
Since they introduced the new training and bonuses I'd had maybe 1 or 2 just ridiculous results like that, I've already had 3 or 4 this season!

I'm getting more and more convinced they HAD to have changed something, there's just no way that this group of players who has been consistently dominate for several season would just randomly forget how to play. The fact others report the same thing makes the evidence even stronger.

Top Eleven: If you changed the game to make it like this, please change it back, no one wants this. I'm not just speaking because my team sucks, it's because who would enjoy a game where the result feels like you're just flipping a coin?
If this is just a bug post update: Please find it and fix it, cause this is ruining the game.

I was thinking something was wrong too. Had a terrible start in League and CL which I won last season. Doing ok in Cup this season but that's it. Same team and orders as last season. Interestingly in my CL this season, only 4 teams including mine are level 35 and the rest are all level 34. Yet I'm struggling in my group against 3 lower level teams. I think something has changed since the update.


KFC Loella,
Level 35,
18 League Titles,
4 Champions League,
1 Cup

Same here, my team is in very bad form, no idea why, but wil keep using the same squad and see what will happen, good luck.

On my first League season I make some t11 friend on that league, they were playing with me last 3 seasons, I beat them every time, even though Q difference is high, like I'm 110% and they are 65-70%. Now I lost one match and draw one against them, my players were forgot how to play, during the match I change players 3 time in 3 position, still bad day...

I sent a long detailed message to support voicing our concerns. If I hear a response worth sharing I'll do that.

Well idk if this is the place to write this down but i would like to share my yesterday's match

First of all my team is q of %94 and his q %80.I couldnt watch the game cause i was busy.When i checked the game i got shocked by 0-3 result.You guys maybe wondering maybe he shot more but overall shots was 15/8 to 9/4(his overall),and im still thinking how to fk i lost that 3-0.

The other strange thing I've noticed is my keeper whose 100% with 1on1 ability that has been a very solid player for 7 seasons, all of a sudden can't stop ANYTHING, and my opponents keeper plays incredible every match.

Others see this pattern?

The keeper issue is not new. It is time to sell him and get a new one, I used to have a fantastic keeper but once he reached certain age, his form dropped a lot so I sold him.

The defense set up of this game was somehow touched by the game engine, as well as the MCs, that is where I am stuck with.

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Originally Posted by BridgeGoth

The other strange thing I've noticed is my keeper whose 100% with 1on1 ability that has been a very solid player for 7 seasons, all of a sudden can't stop ANYTHING, and my opponents keeper plays incredible every match.

Others see this pattern?

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I also had this Problem but now I am playing good. I just Draw once in Last 10 Matches. Try to Change Some Arrows & Orders. I am still conceding though but I am also scoring more.

Well tonight I drew a team 23% lower than me with no manager present.
His 3 and 4 star defenders completely shut down my 6 and 7 star attackers despite my 12% attack bonus. I had 64% possession and was still outshot.
I call BS on this game ever since the update.

As a manager who rarely uses percentage to compare relative quality of 2 teams and don't fully understand the calculation of percentage, I think the percentage may sometimes mislead managers on using it to compare team qualities. For example, 20% difference does not represent 20% difference in quality. The difference of 100% vs 80% team is different to that of 80% vs 60% team.

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Originally Posted by cookizzz

As a manager who rarely uses percentage to compare relative quality of 2 teams and don't fully understand the calculation of percentage, I think the percentage may sometimes mislead managers on using it to compare team qualities. For example, 20% difference does not represent 20% difference in quality. The difference of 100% vs 80% team is different to that of 80% vs 60% team.

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Actually no, they are exactly the same difference -- a difference of 5 quality points per 20%. That part is a linear relationship.
Now, the relationship between quality/stat points to actual performance could be non-linear. So a 60% team may do worse against an 80% team than an 80% team do against a 100% team. That part is unknown and probably involves too much noise from the random number generator.

But the percentage is introduced to spare some managers from getting headaches for translating the numeric quality value to their current level's five-star standard.

A 23% difference translates to about 5.8 quality points difference. The poster's team was labelled as the favourite and still lost.

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Originally Posted by Perry Sih

Actually no, they are exactly the same difference -- a difference of 5 quality points per 20%. That part is a linear relationship.
Now, the relationship between quality/stat points to actual performance could be non-linear. So a 60% team may do worse against an 80% team than an 80% team do against a 100% team. That part is unknown and probably involves too much noise from the random number generator.

But the percentage is introduced to spare some managers from getting headaches for translating the numeric quality value to their current level's five-star standard.

A 23% difference translates to about 5.8 quality points difference. The poster's team was labelled as the favourite and still lost.

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I am sorry if I make mistakes because I have not used current version for a long time. Probably I'm wrong but I don't feel that the relationship of star/quality points/percentage are simply linear. Moreover, since implementation of current version and introduction percentage, I am no longer able to exactly predict the quality point that players will add a new star. Even if relationship of quality points and percentage are linear, the line has been shifted since that moment. For example, I may think that a player will turn to six star at quality exactly 180 according to traditional experience, but he may turn to 6 star when he still needs 1 to 8 more sp to be 180q. That greatly confused me and was the third reason I completely gave up using current version. (BTW, I am not sure if the quality point as shown in old version is exactly the same as that in new version) As I understand, users of percentage do not feel such problem because 100% is always 6 star line.

Sorry again if i still have many misunderstandings. But I will not further study percentage as quality representation in current version and will not border current version users by making similar incorrect analysis on this.

Everything was as old days. 75 stat points per star, meaning 75 stat points per 20%.
In the player's page, it would require 20% increase on average across all 15 skills, so it's 300% total that your player needs per star.

It is linear. My spreadsheet still works after some minor tweaking to translate stats to percentage, and adjusting the base after each promotion.