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GoodMorning People !!
I was wandering how does this opption (Force Counter Attacks) is working !!!
can any one make it clear ?!
1. It just make counterattack when is possible
2. its playing defencive in order to make counter attack ?
any one who knows ???
also which formatios
is working with counterattacks??
Defensive works best with counter attacks
Def/counter against strong teams ca.
You can use it against anyteam of any strength or with any formation you think is fit. Basically what it does is telling your players once possession is gained on your half, quickly try to find ways to counter attack instead of slow build up play.
so counter attack its a must for any formation
If your player makes a mistake, your defence is wide openQuote:
Originally Posted by Trella
what do you mean ???
It means what he just said. If your counter attack fails it will leave your team open for an attack.
hmmm how do I play counter for my team?
Just set my team mentality on very defensive?
I only see the option to force the opponent to play counter attack..
I fully agree with thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Trella
if you are in counter atack and you loss the ball chances are very high your oponent will score a goal against you , because your deffenders go to atack :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Trella
Counter attack does not leave your defense wide open. Counter attack is not full out attack. Counter attack is quickly distributing the ball towards the opponent's end in the quickest possible way. Mostly counter attacks are executed with long balls towards your highest attackers after dispossessing the opponent in your half while they are attacking which leaves your opponents wide open not you. However counter attack risks losing possession higher because everything is played at top speed, high rewards and low chances. Real madrid plays counter attack. Barcelona is a type of team that does not play counter attack because they prefer moving the ball upfield with slow build up play to maintain possession.
hmmm...
i still think that counters are good...
one friend of me playing 4-1-4-1
normal mentality, short passes, counter
in logic this is a defencive set up...
but he always scores to 2 - 5 goals
and always has more attends to goal that oppinent ...
strange or fact ???
p.s. for this reason am thinking to start play 4-4-1-1
new question
with formation
3-1-4-1-1
and short and mix passing
i read that its better to DONT use counter attacks
but am not sure why !!
can any one tell me why not ???
This is the best answer I've heard in a while, I know there are a lot of differing opinions about the use of 'Force Counter Attack'. But your answer really fits what I have been experiencing with my team, I counter with different formations, tactics and mentalities, all the time, and it has the exact effect you have described.Quote:
Originally Posted by fmldotcom
Force counter may be more effective with a normal or defensive mentalities, but you can use 'force counter' within an attacking strategy too, I attack!
Once the opposition looses the ball whilst on offense, 'force counter' will long pass (even if you have set short pass on!) to the front most open striker let it be a ST, AMs, Ms or even Ds quickly, and shock attack them. It really has nothing to do with your defense being unorganized or not. Its most effective if their defense is unprepared (no off side, man on man) for this sudden attack. Your attacker will 80% lone it, one-on-one or just have support and pass/cross at the last minute. It is a low possession move, giving the ball away a lot, but the rewards are high, so you have to judge.
I play 'force counter' all the time, my assist are very very low, (3 goals to 1 assist) most goals are one-on-one, so best if your have strikers that can dribble, shoot and finish.
When giving out help to newbies about tactics and formations I will always say "I like to counter", that is it, I will not insist this is the best thing since sliced bread.
I have built my team with 'force counter' in mind, always pressing my own half, I have a strong defensive back line, no off sides and a fall back DMC most games. 100's of games all with 'force counter' on, I'm like addicted, whenever I test it off, I see the difference, fewer goals.
Force counter is most noticeable when used against weaker or stronger teams. Teams with an all out attacking mentality, a red out team.
P.S. Please do not misunderstand, there is no turbo button with top eleven, force counter if done incorrectly will lose you more game than win.
Peace!
Holy thread res.
I have a side that counter-attacks every match regardless of opposition (mainly because I want to be able to recognise when my main team is on the receiving end to avoid the corner count turbo boost). Force Counter attacks does not break an attacking formation and so it can still work, but an attacking formation will not get as much advantage from it as defensive.....fewer triggered events imo. For me the power of Force Counters come from maximising the one-on-ones when breaking fast. So I use defensive to do that, just my preference. That's why when its working well you see higher corner counts and/or a better ration of shots on target to shots for the c-a team. Wins are not guaranteed. ;)
My real advice tho is don't dismiss Whole Pitch Pressing as part of a c-a strategy. Its not Force Whole Pitch. If you take the view that T11 has Pressing always on and that you only get to limit it to Own Half or No limit then for me it can make sense. Your players won't ignore every other settings just to rush all over the pitch chasing the ball.
After 3 seasons of always using defensive c-a I've tried Own Half and Whole Pitch and found no difference between results except when playing higher level opponents - then Whole Pitch performs better on average than Own.
In my language it says 'force opponent to counter attack', so I still don't know for sure whether it means that I play counter attack or that I force my opponent to play counter attack. How do you guys know for sure that it means that you play counter attack yourself?
LOL, I don't know man. How to MAKE the other manager counter attack! Maybe Nordeus sends someone over and up arrows all your players or something... again their reliance of GOOGLE translate bewilders me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Panzani
5-4-1 with counter attacks earned me a 4-0 victory against an equal team as me. Parking ftw!
If you are not playing with Force Counter Attacks or with offside trap that does not means that your team will never counter attack or play offside trap...
Playing with Counter Attack means that you are deliberately trying or forcing your team to create a Counter Attack by losing ball possession so that your opponent can attack you and when they are in your half you can Counter Attack them...That's why Forcing your team to play Counter Attack works well with Defensive formation and when you have less possession...:D...
Hi Sid..that means when I have less possession compared to my opponent..I can consider turn on force counter attack? ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Siddharth Shanker Singh
Yes, it should work well but then you formation should be a defensive one...:D...Quote:
Originally Posted by shakiraa
Good answer but....Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip L. Willis
We don't know if it really works here... or just cosmetic stuff.
Force counter will affect your passing ration, your assist, you will see different comments(!!!) and it will change the way your team attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtic
Turn it off in a friendly and turn it on against the same team, keep your conditions and morale the same and see the difference.
P.S. There are lots of people that believe Force counter will cause you to be defenseless which is untrue, it is about the speed of your attack build up. A slow short pass build up will also fail, just Force counter attack fail rate is higher, but used against a man-on-man team or an all attack team, it's the BOMB!
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Originally Posted by Siddharth Shanker Singh
This, from what i've seen your team can counter attack regardless of whether you have it ticked (based off of your mentality) when your opponent makes a mistake and has alot of his team pressing forward. But forcing a counter attack means you try to create the opportunity yourself ie your defense might rush up on the opponents attack to disposses them and then launch the counter (however if they fail to disposses them and get outplayed then the attack=1 on 1 with goalkeeper. The defense might also play the ball from their own box to the midfield while the midfield/attack get in position for the counter giving you a numerical advantage in the opponents defensive half if the defender successfully gets the ball away, but if they get dispossessed then your opponent will counter or a block will just end the attack. So ticking force counter attack is most effective when playing with a defensive formation and your wing backs have a high physicality rating compared to your opponents attack and are playing 4 or 5 defenders. It can of course work on any formation but if your defense is weaker than your opponents strikers/midfield then you're gonna have a bad time.
Top eleven also seem to have defenders sometimes scoring from forcing counter attacks (a lot of my dl/dr/dmcs have a few goals and a few assists in their time at my club)
Force Counter-attack works.
Ok, I'll try it out, but be advised that when we have tokens and great players, everything we think seems to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip L. Willis
I play counters on my 35T team, too. It hasn't power training, so I think it's safe to call it an average team.
I agree with Buffs.
I am a fan of counter attack (use it mainly with 4321, 451v, or motivated 442 (with 1 winger play higher upfront wt 2 st). Won many trophies, league tittle, c1 and doing well in cup (im not a token buyer) and I hv hd several undefeated results in league. 1 thing is, i applied counter attack on 1 main acc and 3 sub, all lvl 20+ and beat better Q rivals easily times by times. howerver, as far as i Noticed, counter only works with defensive mode and/or normal mode. Certainly, Attacking dont need counter attack, and if you dare to play attacking along with counter, feel free to experience some "unexpected results" againts much weaker teams. The most important thing is, playing counter attack need a different way of building players.
You could be right, because I'm using Attacking formation with Counter-Attacks and I had some "unexpected results" recently (but only this season :confused:). I'll try to don't force counter-attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by gohannie