How many troll results you had this season ?

[nikolgiorgos]

ok @ MiddleEarth
interesting your post (oh no, not another T11 nerd - lol)
I can see that you had
Season 2, 2 troll
Season 3, 1 troll
Season 4, 1 troll
Season 5, 2 troll
Season 6, 2 troll

so far so good, that's a normal T11 situation
Season 7, 6 troll
Those are too many but I wonder if it was a "bad" season, something happened to your "key" players or don't know what else.
No one knows your team better than you

Season 8, 3 troll
Season 9, 3 troll
Season 10, 7 troll
Season 11, 6 troll
That's the interesting part.
What we 're searching for.
If something broken the latest months.

but consider that

1) You mentioned about 1-2 games which was your finals.
A team, an oppo who reached the finals deserves some respect.
Even if he has lower quality or not using the perfect formation or been present in the games, he has some chemistry, he has built a team that for some reason can destroy any opponent.
Like Atletico Madrid phenomenon (wth is this team doing in top 3 of Spanish League or top 4-8 of Europe ? )

2) Ball possession
Is this factor overestimated ?
Considering that a big part of that, comes from the +8% of our presence, our supporters and the 5% from home game/tickets.
That's a big discussion.
We already had some, here for example
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...en-matter.html

3) The stats are broken, not the game.
What I mean is that the stats we see aren't the real ones.
If we leave away the b.p. (and the Live game as it's only preset videos)
the next weird thing is the efficiency, the broken balance between the Shots, the SoT and the successful shots.
But if those numbers are wrong ?
If (despite the ball possession) the number of the shots and the SoT are very similar ?
I spotted this here. 3 months ago
https://forum.topeleven.com/suggesti...ics-table.html

4) Another one factor, is that the teams from +1LV, have some hidden bonus (that's my theory from experiences) which give them higher efficiency than our team (which maybe can have the same quality with oppo).
So now that most of the active managers are playing vs managers from a +1 lv (in the Cup and the CH.L. or Super League) but maybe not so active, this multiplies the troll issue.

[MiddleEarth]

Season 7, 6 troll
Those are too many but I wonder if it was a "bad" season, something happened to your "key" players or don't know what else.
No one knows your team better than you

no "key" players missing throughout the season, all within my books, don't you worry...
Well, finished the season ending 2nd within the league with a 7 points margin behind the league winner, got that wonderful troll within the CL Final, and lost to the later finalist within the Cup (1/4 finals stage). I've seen far lousier seasons as that one, lol

Season 8, 3 troll
Season 9, 3 troll
Season 10, 7 troll
Season 11, 6 troll
That's the interesting part.
What we 're searching for.
If something broken the latest months.

but consider that

1) You mentioned about 1-2 games which was your finals.
A team, an oppo who reached the finals deserves some respect.
Even if he has lower quality or not using the perfect formation or been present in the games, he has some chemistry, he has built a team that for some reason can destroy any opponent.
Like Atletico Madrid phenomenon (wth is this team doing in top 3 of Spanish League or top 4-8 of Europe ? )

Nik, I did'n play Atletico f... Madrid, I played a school boy who had even +7 support bonus with all his FB friends on board of that goddamn Final. He didn't change a damn thing throughout the entire freaking game, but yet he turned around matters with that late 2-1 winning goal out of nothing, washing away my nice 1-0 lead up until minute 63. Shootouts are another story, but I can just say - ENGLAND, you'll get the point... never won a damn penalty-shootout in my entire f........ virtual T11 life, lost all 3 of them, including 2 Extra-time decisions, like I sad; "this is England!"

2) Ball possession
Is this factor overestimated ?
Considering that a big part of that, comes from the +8% of our presence, our supporters and the 5% from home game/tickets.
That's a big discussion.
We already had some, here for example
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...en-matter.html

Does Barcelona get trolled 6-7 times within a single season? If you answer that one correct, well, then this damn T11 game is pretty close to reality, otherwise; better luck next time...

3) The stats are broken, not the game.
What I mean is that the stats we see aren't the real ones.
If we leave away the b.p. (and the Live game as it's only preset videos)
the next weird thing is the efficiency, the broken balance between the Shots, the SoT and the successful shots.
But if those numbers are wrong ?
If (despite the ball possession) the number of the shots and the SoT are very similar ?
I spotted this here. 3 months ago
https://forum.topeleven.com/suggesti...ics-table.html

Off f..... course are the stats broke, but not just the stats, the entire goddamn black-box called; engine is in a Marylin Manson state and doesn't seem to get out of it...

4) Another one factor, is that the teams from +1LV, have some hidden bonus (that's my theory from experiences) which give them higher efficiency than our team (which maybe can have the same quality with oppo).
So now that most of the active managers are playing vs managers from a +1 lv (in the Cup and the CH.L. or Super League) but maybe not so active, this multiplies the troll issue.

I'm playing since level 3, season 3 +1LV (Cup even +3 up until season 6...) opponents, so I got sort used to it. Jesus-f.....-Christ would I love it to see changing that into something meaningful, to be more precise, to be once in my freaking live on the other side of the board, facing -1 lv oppo's. Can't be that ****ing hard to implement that, a cycle, once every 3 goddamn seasons your awesome looking team getting drawn with -1 lv opponents either within the CL or within that damn Cup, and back to +1 and even, than circling around until our head blow of our necks. But hell freaking, nope, we have to live with it as is, always and forever playing the same old ****ers from one level above. I almost know their freaking teams better then they do, most likely...

Long story cut short;

Nordeus, please make that code of yours Opensource, so we can fetch that to our bloody machines and have a look into the same, do some tweaks here and there, modify that bloody hell called engine and put our changes back on f.... github or wheresoever...

[Palash Mitra]

@Nik, I know this has probably been discussed to death, but really - I don't get why the +1 level in Cups & CL exists. Defeats the whole point of building a strong team, doesn't it, if I have to play against opponents with access to a higher transfer pool or gut my team by selling players to remain competitive. -_-

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[xander]

Hey hello I just want to say wherever you are, God bless you man just for opening the thread and willing to put something on the front table. As for the evidence, good people over here at the forum will already be posting it.
What the current scenario is I have 25 good players on the squad, but I am bound to use only 12 to 13 of them, the very best of the squad, every time. I can't rotate the players. Seems like a total wasted investment.
Why?
Because that tiny team placed at the very last position of the league gets better of me no matter what. Yes I am not afraid of the fairly equivalent teams but those "LLLLL" form teams.
I lost the league last season because of the continued poor results against the abandoned teams. I can admit losing one or two to poor teams but beaten/drawn throughout the third week when each time I was a favorite, seems very scripted.

And sadly it haven't changed this season. Above 7 ratings for opponent defenders, Gk with below 50% avg skill sets made you question your whole scout level team.
There you have my frustration.
Either this or what can I say I am a very bad manager.

Good evening to all the managers. Thanks.
(And..Sorry If I didn't make sense somewhere. Little weary!)

[nikolgiorgos]

I understand that some of you are mad about some results but

[MiddleEarth]

Within the Bay Area you say hello with that f... word you just corrected, but I'll try to hold back in future posts, as hard as it may get, I'm just used to it, that's my writing style and it has nothing to do with my mental state or being mad, it's just style of writing - nothing f... else, lol

Well, that of the table, funny story from couple of minutes ago. Played the league leader away, similar quality, 30-70 possession, 12-18 shots, 2-8 on goal and won 0-4. Why on earth does that work with "real" though teams, but you most likely get trolled by some bot teams or bottom feeders. To find an answer to that f... question would be revealing...

[Palash Mitra]

Within the Bay Area you say hello with that f... word you just corrected, but I'll try to hold back in future posts, as hard as it may get, I'm just used to it, that's my writing style and it has nothing to do with my mental state or being mad, it's just style of writing - nothing f... else, lol

Well, that of the table, funny story from couple of minutes ago. Played the league leader away, similar quality, 30-70 possession, 12-18 shots, 2-8 on goal and won 0-4. Why on earth does that work with "real" though teams, but you most likely get trolled by some bot teams or bottom feeders. To find an answer to that f... question would be revealing...

Heheh the f word is second nature for some of us. xD

And yeah, that's what I don't understand. I see so many instances, where in spite of using the same tactics that are consistently giving me wins against top teams, I get hammered by -20 /30% teams.

For the game I mentioned, the lowest team of the league, possibly a tanker, with 5 DCRL, 5 DMCRL & 20% possession, manages to score 3 goals against a side that had only let in 8 goals in the entire league last season ! How does that result even compute !

What's worse are the knockout legs. I get that there can be an upset, however unlikely, by a team with a -20/30% difference. But, in both legs?! With full win bonuses, condition, even morale & ofc tried & tested counter tactics ! What genius programing is this?

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[khris]

First would be interesting to determine more exactly what is a troll result... because in more cases than what you think I consideer, for my understanding of the game that are normal results... I would start talking of troll when the differance of Av.Q is +30%, non less... this rank is insidethe margin of beatability... and well... I don't talk about when I won 9* teams in cup been 6* just training the speed till 12* lol... thats another... so really everyone of the results that every forum has posted have particular strokes that can be analyzed....

...so IMO, to analyze a result:
1- The AvQ of the 11
2- The best player Quality (individually)
3- The %'s of some individual skills despite of the Individual Quality
4- Formation as far as the team have no players OP-out position- right now, and here I am disagree, the illegal formations have no penalty..
5- Possession... 40-60 in RL and here never is and shoud be guarantee.... from 65 as we say in Spain "another chicken sings"
6- Attend or leave the auto simulation, which is different...
7-had you the +8% advantadge totally for you because the other did not attend? had you some extra 2%?
8 Did you activate to be paid the Victory Bonus?


and then "if you attend"... simulation is not the same as if you don't watch, so here we can analyze other questions like...
Despite your Quality, your players do a good contribution per match?
Did you pay attention to the players that did not appear in the comments?
...did you a substitution when a player failed continously?
..some change of orders? formation or just switched some players positions?
...did you noticed if some player was more aggressive than usually, or, failed passing continously?...(so maybe he provoked cards, or counters against?)
...if a corner or FK was bad picked, did you change the man for this job? (if not, why lol)


and this is how I analyze. Hope will help to someone, because for me works.

[ibangali]

As we discussing about trolling and everybody comes with lots of points; since last season I found away games are better than home games. And now I'm considering this also a trolling

Last season I can't manage time to keep screenshot as record but today I'm posting one and I'll try to come back with more about this home-away matter soon, as those already happen in this season. Very few I bring in here now but believe it or not I have more and I'll try to bring it in here soon when I manage more time. Can't really understand when playing with over 55% weaker team and win 0-7 away, on the other hand when playing home, to win I have to use 'all out attack', high press etc then hardly win with 2-0. Another win away then lost home. Really strange this game engine. I think asso game is the main problem. when the asso game comes game engine start doing crazy, when asso game left it start another crazy behavior, so on.
Thanks

[theclubofwins]

As we discussing about trolling and everybody comes with lots of points; since last season I found away games are better than home games. And now I'm considering this also a trolling

Last season I can't manage time to keep screenshot as record but today I'm posting one and I'll try to come back with more about this home-away matter soon, as those already happen in this season. Very few I bring in here now but believe it or not I have more and I'll try to bring it in here soon when I manage more time. Can't really understand when playing with over 55% weaker team and win 0-7 away, on the other hand when playing home, to win I have to use 'all out attack', high press etc then hardly win with 2-0. Another win away then lost home. Really strange this game engine. I think asso game is the main problem. when the asso game comes game engine start doing crazy, when asso game left it start another crazy behavior, so on.
Thanks

0-3 was a big one