Strange draw or cheating in FA matches???

Today I want to discuss one top 6 FA and the princples of FA tourney draw.

This week our low 6star FA for unknown reason was to play against same 6 star team from China, 7 star team and 1 more 8 (!!!) star team both from Brazil, which is also in addition top 6 team of our chart. The first question is how such a draw can be possible? Do you really think the team with 6 stars max can beat full 9 star team?

But this was only the start of my surprise. In the semi-final where 7 and 8 stars FA had to play suddently 7 stars FA puts stupid systems in all the games losing with craze scores like 0-14 etc. So our top 6 team easily wins the semifinal 36-0. Is it really the way to get to top 10? To play against your "daughter" FA and easily get their points. In this case how does it happen that these teams meet in the same draw? By the way, I have forgotten to mention that both FAs have same teams names in some cases. And after successfully losing the semifinal with stupid tactics in 3 hours they have the game for the 3d place, replace all the squad, put correct systems and easily win our chinese friends

Finally we come to the final where we met these 8-9 stars monsters. What should I say - they beat us but we were really close to winning this game. We had draws with all their strongest teams. E.g. their 180smth team and our 112 team had draws in both games 3:3 and 4:4 with their manager scoring the last minute in both matches and in this way bringing draws. Our problem was our new guy who came only before the start of the tourney and sabotaged us putting stupid tactics, not attending the game and not giving the bonuses. And his result was 0:4 and 0:9. And these 2 losses played a bad joke with us.

So the top 6 team with super squad didn't impress me at all. And once again made me ask the question if it is legal to earn pints like this. This case really smells strange

Hmmm... this is a fail in the stars converter system... basically the game did not convert 5* of one level in 5* of the other level to do the draw equated... so the winners are from higher levels for sure as they have such advantage...

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Truly remarkable.
So was that just the luck of the draw?
Paolo Hernrick or whatever your name is, how many teams you got?
What a waste of time associations is.

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Originally Posted by Altiplano

Truly remarkable.
So was that just the luck of the draw?
Paolo Hernrick or whatever your name is, how many teams you got?
What a waste of time associations is.

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Actually these are the 2 reasons I made this thread. Simply I want to find out and pay the Nordeus attention to the below facts:

1. Is it possible to influence the draw of the FA tourney? The game between these 2 Brazilian teams don't look like coincidence, so if anyone have ever played with any of these teams, or have similar strange results in their tourneys - please, let us know.

2. Why the system makes possible such draws - 6 stars FA against 8 stars. Our top 3 teams are 114, 113 and 112,5. They top 3 were 187, 176 and 168. Our lowest team 68% and their 112 if I remember it correctly. And only 2 teams had the difference of 10% in their favour (some 110 to 120 +/- 2%). This is a huge difference. Or maybe there is again any way to influence the draw?

If case it is possible - this bug/cheat must be corrected. Even if the FA games have a lot of strange or render results and the engine looks different from the main game - we still enjoy playing it with my friends. So it must be improved to work perfectly

Hi,

there are lot of wrong evaluations in Association draws by Nordeus:

1) Some 6 stars associations ,actually have 7 stars and 8 stars members. They sometimes lower association rates using 5 stars members, but normally, their associations
should be rated as 7 stars instead of 6.

2) It's unacceptable that 6 stars associations (which are the majority of partecipant to this tournment) may be drawn with 8 or 9 stars rated associations.


3) Evaluations for quality of each member are based on strongest players,regardless if you can or cannot enter all of them in your formation (for example you cannot play with 2 gks,or with no defenders,no midfielders or no st at all).

The combination among all those factors , plus any weekly new bug, make this tournment unmanageable...

Thanks for the reply Matteo. We all know that this FA idea has a lot of bugs and problems. I just hope if all of us keep searching and pointing to these bugs maybe someday Nordeus will pay attention and change smth. I'm simply very optimistic ))) Anyway, the idea of such a game is great and it can be improved a lot to be much better

To be honest, I would prefer a total random draw for associations.
There is no reason a 4* association should be in the World top 100.
Im a part of a 6* association and wouldnt mind facing a 7* association, if it means that I have equal chance of facing a 4* or 5* association.
This would go a long way in helping to eradicate the draw manipulation being done by lowering quality of 1 or 2 teams.
Also, the draws should be made between associations close to each other in total points.

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Originally Posted by Matteo de Clemente

2) It's unacceptable that 6 stars associations (which are the majority of partecipant to this tournment) may be drawn with 8 or 9 stars rated associations.
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Completely disagree with this. To me, it's completely unacceptable that 6 star-assos get the chance to be in platinium when 8-stars can't just because they play each other! If you want to be at top, make the required efforts!
We are a 7-star asso fighting season after season just to save our spot in gold 1 and seeing 5-stars in the top 100 just drives me mad!

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

Completely disagree with this. To me, it's completely unacceptable that 6 star-assos get the chance to be in platinium when 8-stars can't just because they play each other! If you want to be at top, make the required efforts!
We are a 7-star asso fighting season after season just to save our spot in gold 1 and seeing 5-stars in the top 100 just drives me mad!

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Mate, as i understand you say that thanking is equal to EFFORT ? For me it is pretty normal that even 4 star team to be in platinum division. It is not normal and not fair play my 7 star (120%) team to play against 170%. I can say that i put huge efforts to maintain 7 star team without tanking and i participate in 6 star assoc, that is always in Gold 1. The draw must be more precise so everything will depend on EFFORTS and LUCK :)

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

Completely disagree with this. To me, it's completely unacceptable that 6 star-assos get the chance to be in platinium when 8-stars can't just because they play each other! If you want to be at top, make the required efforts!
We are a 7-star asso fighting season after season just to save our spot in gold 1 and seeing 5-stars in the top 100 just drives me mad!

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That isn't going to fix FA's. It will just further reward managers for not playing the game (tankers), and spoil more treble bids as those managers with 9* teams will only participate in the cup and possibly the CL/SL as well.

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

Completely disagree with this. To me, it's completely unacceptable that 6 star-assos get the chance to be in platinium when 8-stars can't just because they play each other! If you want to be at top, make the required efforts!
We are a 7-star asso fighting season after season just to save our spot in gold 1 and seeing 5-stars in the top 100 just drives me mad!

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This is exactly what I don't want to see in this game - it's not possible to play against 8-9 stars FA when you are only 4-5 stars. No matter how good you are your 100% team will NEVER win against 180% team. Such draws will only ruin the game process as all low stars FAs will have no interest losing each time to much stronger teams. Additionally, IMHO the weaker associations are the teams which really DO need these additional tokens to get better and to improve their squad but not these overrated FAs which already have 8-9 stars players and still keep tanking a lot.

So the idea is vivid and clear - the draw MUST be between equal teams. So let these monsters struggle against each other to see how good they are. That is fair enough in my point of view. But still there must be found the way to stop such draws like ours and such a strange semifinal tanking like in our case

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Originally Posted by a.gavrilin

Actually these are the 2 reasons I made this thread. Simply I want to find out and pay the Nordeus attention to the below facts:

1. Is it possible to influence the draw of the FA tourney? The game between these 2 Brazilian teams don't look like coincidence, so if anyone have ever played with any of these teams, or have similar strange results in their tourneys - please, let us know.

2. Why the system makes possible such draws - 6 stars FA against 8 stars. Our top 3 teams are 114, 113 and 112,5. They top 3 were 187, 176 and 168. Our lowest team 68% and their 112 if I remember it correctly. And only 2 teams had the difference of 10% in their favour (some 110 to 120 +/- 2%). This is a huge difference. Or maybe there is again any way to influence the draw?

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The draw with those "friendly" asso groups must be coincidence.
You can't affect the draw. I mean like two friends who can play in the same league.

About pair of quality, as I can see from your pic, the three teams are fake new google accounts which started with 3* players.
So they dropped the avg of their group.
Right after the draw, they bought some players, maybe from the started token a couple of scouts, they also got 3 loans from the others, used all their greens and made 6* teams.
Next weekend they put 3 other teams instead of those.

That's a classic trick.

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Originally Posted by a.gavrilin

This is exactly what I don't want to see in this game - it's not possible to play against 8-9 stars FA when you are only 4-5 stars. No matter how good you are your 100% team will NEVER win against 180% team. Such draws will only ruin the game process as all low stars FAs will have no interest losing each time to much stronger teams. Additionally, IMHO the weaker associations are the teams which really DO need these additional tokens to get better and to improve their squad but not these overrated FAs which already have 8-9 stars players and still keep tanking a lot.

So the idea is vivid and clear - the draw MUST be between equal teams. So let these monsters struggle against each other to see how good they are. That is fair enough in my point of view. But still there must be found the way to stop such draws like ours and such a strange semifinal tanking like in our case

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I respect your opinion but still disagree. This is a football management game. In football, Real, Bayern or Barça may win the CL not Hoffenheim, Alaves nor Burnley. That's life. To me, the kind of draw you want would be like a World cup where one half of the table would be made of China, Feroe islands and Gambia. And the other of Brazil, Argentina and Spain. And one team out of each half-table would reach the final. What would people think of that ? If people put the effort/investment to build a fantastic team, they deserve to beat me! But I won't be an easy prey to catch, be sure of that!

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Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας

The draw with those "friendly" asso groups must be coincidence.
You can't affect the draw. I mean like two friends who can play in the same league.

About pair of quality, as I can see from your pic, the three teams are fake new google accounts which started with 3* players.
So they dropped the avg of their group.
Right after the draw, they bought some players, maybe from the started token a couple of scouts, they also got 3 loans from the others, used all their greens and made 6* teams.
Next weekend they put 3 other teams instead of those.

That's a classic trick.

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You are absolutely right and I know this trick quite well and a lot of FAs that are using it (which in my point of view must be also fixed). But the strange thing is that this time the strength of the team was like this exactly from the first second of the tourney. I usually check the draws in the first 5 minutes once they appear and this time they were 8 stars just from the start.

Now I have another idea - maybe the pools of the teams for all 4 tourneys (I means for the whole playing season) are also made the first day of the season together with cup, ch.league and league? In this case it can explain the situation - the 1st day they had 3 strong teams and 3 rubbish teams making their total strength close to 6 stars. And then during the season the draws are made from this pool of let's say 20 teams

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

I respect your opinion but still disagree. This is a football management game. In football, Real, Bayern or Barça may win the CL not Hoffenheim, Alaves nor Burnley. That's life. To me, the kind of draw you want would be like a World cup where one half of the table would be made of China, Feroe islands and Gambia. And the other of Brazil, Argentina and Spain. And one team out of each half-table would reach the final. What would people think of that ? If people put the effort/investment to build a fantastic team, they deserve to beat me! But I won't be an easy prey to catch, be sure of that!

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From the other side people don't want to watch such games like Argentina - Faeroe Islands. Because everyone knows in advance who will win this game. I just wonder why people from UEFA in the starting round of champions league made 2 roads - the road of the champions and the road of other teams struggling against each other to get to the main stages. Otherwise the champion of let's say Armenia or Norway had to play against 2d/3d team of the spain (e.g. Barcelona). Do you think such small teams would ever have chances to get to the main stages. And such a holiday of football like CH.LEAGUE would never reach these small countries and in the main stage there would be only the battle of football giants

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

I respect your opinion but still disagree. This is a football management game. In football, Real, Bayern or Barça may win the CL not Hoffenheim, Alaves nor Burnley. That's life. To me, the kind of draw you want would be like a World cup where one half of the table would be made of China, Feroe islands and Gambia. And the other of Brazil, Argentina and Spain. And one team out of each half-table would reach the final. What would people think of that ? If people put the effort/investment to build a fantastic team, they deserve to beat me! But I won't be an easy prey to catch, be sure of that!

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Real, Bayern, Barca may win the CL if they finish at top 4 on their league. After that, they can enter the CL. But this tankers, they didn't won anything but still at the World Top 100. And we (5*/6*) must fight with them (7*-9*)? Finish last in league but at Top 100, is that football management?

Continous Tanking for associations == Root of all sorrows in the game
When will any Nordeus dev/admin listen to this??

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Originally Posted by gamer5289

Continous Tanking for associations == Root of all sorrows in the game
When will any Nordeus dev/admin listen to this??

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I'm afraid this will never happen. Nordeus is busy making silly useless minigames((((

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Originally Posted by gamer5289

Continous Tanking for associations == Root of all sorrows in the game
When will any Nordeus dev/admin listen to this??

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when everyone start tanking. Look at the top ten or maybe 20 its obvious do we really need to tell them. Those guys up there is having a good laugh with all the complain in this forum.

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Originally Posted by HairDryer

when everyone start tanking. Look at the top ten or maybe 20 its obvious do we really need to tell them. Those guys up there is having a good laugh with all the complain in this forum.

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Unfortunately once the previous problem/cheating is solved by Nordeus people find other ways to cheat. I've been playing this game for almost 4 years and I still remember those happy moments when I've played against equal opponents with 32 tokens for the whole season thinking only about correct strategies and tactics in order to beat the next team. Unfortunately the time has changed and now I spend more time moaning on the forum (which I don't really like) about strange cheating/tanking opponents. For me the league has lost all the interest, because each season I get very strong and good opponents but they start tanking and losing all their games so I easily win the league with 25-30+ points in advance, At the same time in the cup, ch.league and especially in FA I have to play against 7-9 stars monsters

Indeed those happy days is over. We use to talk more of strategy and tactics form our game improvement now all we talk is all about cheating. Clearly we are going to a wrong direction more frustration then fun nowadays. Nobodys fault its up to the devs to act and get serious with this matter.

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