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If dev's followed the good ideas from managers Top11 would be perfect by now -.-
I play in the association which is now top-12 and this association until recently had no farms at all and even now only one team (mine) has a farm for only 2 seasons. We have achieved this place absolutely without farms. That's why I write - do not give arguments that you can not get into platinum or top 100 because of farmers. It is enough to be able to properly train players and have the desire to move forward. (Of course, more time is needed!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας
In order to eliminate the change in the rating after the draw (which is done by the vast majority of managers and associations), it is enough to prohibit in any form the purchase and sale of players (auction and negotiations) from the draw date and until the end of the association tournament (usually Friday-Sunday). do not invent anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας
No, only top100 and high lv (at points) platinum groups doing those tricks. When we re playing vs normal teams in gold or few times in platinum, they re playing with their usual q teams and existing players.Quote:
Originally Posted by lalexrus
None said anything about stop farming unless you mean farming to create 50 more TE accounts (with 150 tokens-greens each) and do training with this.
I correctly understood that you meant that there are unique managers who create 50 accounts and pull them to level 4 (or higher) and after level 4 they train players "for free" completely? if so, for me it's news) I'm the only thing that is not clear - why exactly 50, where so much then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας
lalexrus
I saw your group, its the Russisn at top12 with mutants but not 18 y.o. players.
Yes, creating 50 or more accounts with 2-3 levels difference each, you can create a squad of 11 mutants without even farming - lol
How many accounts do you have and how do you train your players ?
1. I (Normandie Niemen) have only 4 players from the farm - the other is regular players. Only 7 accounts and 13lvl difference. in this asso only my team is farmed, but training style is same on all teams in asso.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας
2. what do you mean "mutant" is a player in 18-19 years who has all the gray skills in 1? The fact is that the feature of the game is the reduction of all skills every season by 20%, respectively, the player is 18 years old 3 * in the usual team (not farmer) about 20 years will be with gray skills in 1 (if you don't train gray skills)
3) no matter the player from the farm or the usual (now there is 4 from the farm - the rest of the usual) - the player is bought 3 * 18 years (they are few - and can be 19 years) and only light skills are trained. to 22-24 years is a top-level player
4. For ordinary players, reaching a level of "all skills equal to 340" is different for different positions, for example DC / DL / DR (net without additional positions) is about 25 years. The farm only allows you to speed up the process.
In terms of time and resource costs - the farm is very expensive. This time to watch ads, instead of "train 1 time" you need to drive the player and train him on each level of the farm. By and large the main allies to "cancel farms" are the managers who own the farms themselves.
It's threads like this that has caused nordeus to ruin training for everyone
As far as I understand they "solved" the complaints of some managers ... making everyone worse off. and worse than ordinary managers without farms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartan117
SNAFU
Closed thread.
hmm, I wonder if it's a good idea to close this thread as it's not anymore some bug but we have a new update
but there will be people coming to report about this kind of gaining, so I will have to merge those posts/threads with this.
Sorry.
Please note, I have no authority to close threads. I just can't help being sarcastic sometimes.
I think, though, there are going to be quite a few redundant threads within the forum now.
I think that, this thread should be open as a informative thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altiplano
In the other hand, the thread related to the supposed training bugs, should be closed, unless is used to merge the posible new threads that are open inside the bugs subforum... and that can contain complains and questions related to the changes made in the training.
it is not necessary, the update is not relevant to the issue raised in this topic at all (not only does it affect absolutely all managers)Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
They made a change with the training of the players https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...-training.html
Sorry, but the update is entirely relevant to this topic as I have players who have certain skills at or around 300%. I would have liked to continue to train them to, or close to the maximum of 340%. However it now seems that there is a hidden point at which these players will considerably slow down or possibly even stop making gains in these skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by lalexrus
The question is when?
150%? 200%? 250? 300%?
And because Nordeus will never tell us 7 years worth of time, effort, research, resources and MONEY count for little to nothing.
How do you train your players now?
They made a change with the training of the players, but with the """6x10 training again (ZICO ) reached 230% Pass, Speed...
We can live without themQuote:
Originally Posted by lalexrus
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I'm still exploring how to train after the update - since there are players who train normally, and at the same time those who do not train. While there is no clear understanding of where this hidden parameter is due to which training slows down. I think this is a matter of a maximum of a week (to find out the reason by experimenting-training players of different ratings and skills). So far, as an option - even training skills and the opening of several positions. There is a feeling that Nordeus gave birth to new mutants with high ratings (closer to 200) and trained gray skills - I think it's a matter of time the emergence of such players, teams and associationsQuote:
Originally Posted by Altiplano
I'm against the way of the game - when the result is created for sale (association). Yet the game is for the soul, interest, fan. Yes, when there is interest in winning you have many ways to achieve this (including farms). Or you can just buy associations or exchange accounts (like this one with this Turk). But still go from bottom to top (in platinum and top100) it's interesting. And to buy (change) immediately the team and the association of top100 I think it's bad and nothing gives the manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
that's why I said to remove the top100 list.
Because it's a vitrine to sell their products (maybe the majority, not all).
As the vitrine will stay, the balance of the new training is not gonna last for long.
Because tricksters know better the game and soon we 'll learn what is the new trick or how to train our players.
hello guys...who can help and who know about this...
how some 18 years old players have some 1% skills!???
any trick is there!?
i want to find and buy like these players...
This new update did not solve the problem of the mutants at all, attention Nordeus !!! Only he harmed who trained his team daily without focus only in the Associations.
Do you know how there are 18-year-old mutants with three positions and special ability? Imagine the scenario:
1) You get a weak player from the base, say 2 or 3 stars.
2) Train only the specific attributes strongly, another position and a special skill.
3) Now let's say you have an account on the same server only two levels below. What happens when you if the lowest level buy this player? Your attributes will be multiplied by the level difference and a mutant will be created.
After this explanation, what made it difficult to train when the attributes reach close to 200%? ANYTHING.
If they do not end the DIFFERENT LEVEL negotiations, they will not disappear and the game will remain unfair.
Please help me get this to Nordeus.:)
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I guess you missed some episodes so I merged your posts with this.
If some won't use his "mutants" in official games or training, he can keep them with those stats till their retirement.
Yes, I was generating error after posting, thank you.
The question is not exactly the ones that already exist, because they can really hold up until retirement.
The real problem is that limiting training does not solve the "mutants", as they continue to be created by the negotiations and Nordeus needs to understand that.
how can it be :confused:
I don't think you can create 340% - 1% skills anymore.
* only "freeze" them.
Auctions and negos are the largest "token burners" in the game, no way Nordeus will ever touch that. Only long term averages are fair in a long term game. That's whats missing, pure and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by asmartins
If the top 10 assos are always the same, they should always be playing between them. Nothing else makes sense statisticaly. After 3 or 4 seasons of the game using long term averages on all seedings you can do whatever you want, that your power to manipulate anything is extremelly decreased. After 10 seasons you are powerless. Just like a normal manager game.
Now the best burner of tokens and green rest is training (for example, I spent about 850 tokens and 400 green rests on training this week). By itself, training (no matter whether you know about lifehack or not) has become significantly more expensive - in connection with which there is no reason not to limit sales through negotiations. I was talking about limiting the auction and negotiations for the time of the association's matches to stop the manipulation of the teams rating (when 5 teams 6-7 * and one 1 * for example). Restricting games of associations between the top 10 or top 20 is complete nonsense - you must understand this - then the entrance to the top10 should be complicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcdoomer
nice idea ... but from other hand if you take the ability of showing off (some are arrogant) more managers will quit the game ...Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
already two of my best friends left this season ... and more to come ... Nordeus needs ways to stop abusing without damaging the game more and more
ok but as we go back in asso review the last two years, if in one hand we have the top100 (and their whatever reasons) and in the other hand :
- no more take over a new club option
- no loans
- training under limits
- weird stats which cause abnormal performance
and maybe in the future
- limitations in negotiations or in auctions (time/days, friends, servers ...)
- changes in tanking/staying level
I prefer not to see any top100 list :o
Sad but true :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας
Depressing but in accordance with fact or reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian Ogłaza
Hi
Which drill use in training for create this player
And how many rest need ?
Thanks
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Hi @ Reza.johari
I merged you thread with that one - it was in page no2 and has the same subject.
If you go back, you can see that there is also a trick, upselling players from one account to another.
But tell me, are those pics recent or old ?
Are they from some asso group we can see ?
#2Z63MI try with this tag.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
Have multiple accounts and do upselling. Wow Nordeus did not fix this up to date? This is a joke...
This player is for captain associate rank 1 in associate rankingQuote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
Now you can open te app and see
Close 3 page in transfer
And here we have the next generation of mutants.
Well done Nordeus.
Now, and only now are the top associations needing to replace players. And thanks to season after season after season of reaping 100s of tokens through maintaining platinum status they have the tokens to spend to upsell between teams.
Hats off to them for having teams on the same server to be able to do this though.
And whilst Nordeus keep on pissing about with average quality of teams set to play in regular competitions for an undisclosed number of days prior to association draws, the association draws will continue to be manipulated by tanking teams.
Love it! Happy New Year.
Bring on Flop Eleven 2019..............I can barely contain my indifference.
