Do tactics still matter ?

It was one of those matches to force you quit this game. After 1 month of commitment and huge investment in new players + power training, my treble hopes vanished in the CL final today. From week 1, I had a very bad feeling about this game and I was right. I already mentioned this season that I was doubting of the effects of tactic in the new version of the game. I do not focus on the 2018 update because I started feeling this a couple of seasons ago: whatever tactic I used, I never felt I had control over the game. Classical counters are not efficient as they used to be, obvious (although less classical) counters were of poor help. But due to the quality of my team, I did well nevertheless. This season, my opposition has been too weak for me conclude about the tactical aspect of the game. And then, arrives the CL final: first "serious" oppo of the season. He is -25% compared to me: I have never lost with this quality advantage in 39 seasons except a couple of trolls in league more than one year ago. But this is a final. He plays 3W-4-2AMC-1. What ? No DMC, only one DC ? This should be a walk for 4-4-2 ND! I play normal/middle/short and after 35 minutes, I am down 0-3. So stunned that I could not think of any smart change... My strikers rated 4 and 5 !. Cannot remember getting numbers that low ! I ended up in 4-5-1V high press and attack (which I never used before) just to score 1.
So, my title question remains: have they killed the tactical aspect of the game on purpose ? by incompetence ? What are we left with if this is the case ?

I never trusted the ND
so yes in a way , tactics matter - lol

Used to be master of the game and now feel frustrated?
Just plan to have a season without winning anything then start over, you will feel like a virgin again.
Yes, you heard right, like a virgin. Everything will work amazingly normally. :D

A lot has obviously changed as regards tactics with the new fluid formation settings. We need to unlearn all that we know and delete the table of counter formations thread. However tactics still work we just have to figure them out.

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Originally Posted by 112000

Used to be master of the game and now feel frustrated?
Just plan to have a season without winning anything then start over, you will feel like a virgin again.
Yes, you heard right, like a virgin. Everything will work amazingly normally. :D

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Thanks for your useful post.
I've never been (or claimed to be) a master of anything. I am just asking questions. You should save your 72 poor messages to add something constructive - would be much appreciated.
On top of that, please keep you sexual remarks for yourself and have fun.

For me before match, matter the avQ and programming of the players, my thesis always has been that one can win a treble with any formation, so, formations, matter in this case, during the live match, when the game has created the scenario and then you can affect on it moving players/doing a change of formation.

Thats why again I defend that with this theory is the same play with a counter or without, is exactly the same cause once the game starts the game will choose a scenario more in your favour or against you playing with, or without counter...

So matter only inside the live simulation once you know the scenario you face, not before.

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

Thanks for your useful post.
I've never been (or claimed to be) a master of anything. I am just asking questions. You should save your 72 poor messages to add something constructive - would be much appreciated.
On top of that, please keep you sexual remarks for yourself and have fun.

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OK, this is my last poor message in this topic.
I know you upset about your freaking match, so you think my reply is idiotic. And I'm truly sorry for that.
But if you decide not to quit playing and someday do what I said, you will figure out how it's useful to solve the problem - not just talk about it (and .... well maybe funny).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHW5RVvg2v4

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

He is -25% compared to me

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The system separated a troll for your final, that's the only thing I can imagine ;/
Better luck next time, gizzmo.

And I have the same feeling you have: there's no longer much of a control in the matches, no matter if you are watching it and making changes to the instructions/formations.
It's seeming to be more like: build a strong squad, pick a formation, train the players, pray for them to do the job by themselves. If "the system wants you to lose", you will lose.

I hope the trolls are with me today and my boys do the job, cause I have a hard CL final in some hours.

Changing tactics can change the course of the game completely, I did it couple of times this season. But what should be changed to what, and how to start the game correctly -- these are the questions.
If tactics and orders don't work, I make radical changes and hope for the best. It often works.
And if something does work, I try not to breath =] Many times I was leading with good statistics, and changing orders to protect the lead (to defensive, short, off) ends with the opposite result.

I won Treble today with only one formation, didnt change it whole season, I just make sure I am 40% stronger than any other opponent in the draw. And dont care about tactics. Average quality is what matters , enough said.

One more thing, I have lost one game whole season that day when Devs implemented UK Tour, so after the update. That day I was superior only 25% to theopponent i have lost. So I added another 20%, he added something but was able to beat him in away game. Since then, walk in a park

i need two more trebles then i will quit because simply there is nothing more to achieve. I will master it and leave the game......

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This is my CL final for main team today.
I was playing 451V vs opponent who was changing between 451V and 4321.
Went behind to an early goal.
Made the sub around min 60....one of dc goes out...added an amc...went 3w-1-2-3-1
Immediate impact!!
Sub scored the equalizer......non-stop pressure till the end to score the winner....scored a late Fergie time winner :)

So yes, tactic still matter!!

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Originally Posted by gamer5289

This is my CL final for main team today.
I was playing 451V vs opponent who was changing between 451V and 4321.
Went behind to an early goal.
Made the sub around min 60....one of dc goes out...added an amc...went 3w-1-2-3-1
Immediate impact!!
Sub scored the equalizer......non-stop pressure till the end to score the winner....scored a late Fergie time winner :)

So yes, tactic still matter!!

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Congratulations, dude! Nice job!

In my CL final I will start on 451V, flanks, low pressure, zonal marking, mixed pass (trying to be neutral). Then I will wait the first statistics to decide for High Pressure or Man-to-man Marking and Short or Long pass. This is my "plan A"
And if the things aren't going alright, my plan B is to switch AML AMR to double AMC and play through the middle. I hope you are right and the changes affects the match. I'm sceptical about it because I've done this kind of changes in most of my matches this season and I didn't feel like something was changed :/

After update I think 4-2-3-1 and 3-1-2-3-1 are a bit op....

I'll use the 433 pep guardiola 'false nine' formation with aml and amr. The plan is to attack through the middle and blow the opponent away with my massive attack! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...bd1a523be2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...8ff507ff58.jpg

The best of the best

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

Thanks for your useful post.
I've never been (or claimed to be) a master of anything. I am just asking questions. You should save your 72 poor messages to add something constructive - would be much appreciated.
On top of that, please keep you sexual remarks for yourself and have fun.

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I had similar ruined treble v cup final weaker opponent. Simply I think it was bad dice roll pre game rather than anything I did wrong.

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Originally Posted by Spartan117

A lot has obviously changed as regards tactics with the new fluid formation settings. We need to unlearn all that we know and delete the table of counter formations thread. However tactics still work we just have to figure them out.

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unlearn what ?
At old times I was playing vs an oppo who was using 4D-ML-MC-MR-AMC-2ST.
I thought that 4-4-2 nd was a good counter.
During the game, one of his DCs got a red so it was my AMC +2ST vs one DC (who was 1* weaker).
But he managed to eliminate my attackers.
Oppo manager wasn't present.

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Simply I think it was bad dice roll pre game rather than anything I did wrong.

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that was always a TE element.

ive felt a significant change on the tactics roles after the atualization in a better way. Sometimes only the fluid positioning make possible to change the game course without any subs, so for me, the tactics work "ok". But..... sometimes i make changes to keep the ball possession and hold the result, and i realize that was the worst decision made

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Originally Posted by gamer5289

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This is my CL final for main team today.
I was playing 451V vs opponent who was changing between 451V and 4321.
Went behind to an early goal.
Made the sub around min 60....one of dc goes out...added an amc...went 3w-1-2-3-1
Immediate impact!!
Sub scored the equalizer......non-stop pressure till the end to score the winner....scored a late Fergie time winner :)

So yes, tactic still matter!!

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Resume: Khris have all the reason of the world.

lol

yes tactics matter. In my opinion you should have played 4141

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

This season, my opposition has been too weak for me conclude about the tactical aspect of the game. And then, arrives the CL final: first "serious" oppo of the season. He is -25% compared to me: I have never lost with this quality advantage in 39 seasons except a couple of trolls in league more than one year ago.

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Tactics still mater ! But if you play the last month against only - 25 % or more , i think the manager felt asleep and this is what can happen ... especially in final which run on a neutral stadium .

At the end of the day this game comes to players and how good they perform, we all may have witnessed a team in our servers that keeps winning despite the formation.
I had a really really bad league season (there is an unbeaten team leading and some other competitive teams and that means massive troll results), but in the CL I reached the final, surpassing my wildest expectation. I used same tactics and despite knocking out active higher level teams in CL, I struggled with the good old abandoned teams in the league like always. My players performance was the key, I had 5 or 6 players constantly getting 8 and higher marks. The game determines which player Is gonna be your scorer and all the ones that will have a key impact in your journey beforehand.
A bad player will always be bad and a normal player will always be normal. I experimented with many of mine by giving them SA and new positions out of curiosity and nothing happened.

I change tactics during those games that everything seems to go wrong all the time and 90% of the times in my case nothing happens.
Tactics seem to matter more during the times that my team is being surprised by a lower team.

That's right players, players, players.. . Good players win titles not formations

112000

Used to be master of the game and now feel frustrated?
Just plan to have a season without winning anything then start over, you will feel like a virgin again.
Yes, you heard right, like a virgin. Everything will work amazingly normally.


"Like a Virgin" Touched for the very first time. :p

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Originally Posted by Jean.Monico

The system separated a troll for your final, that's the only thing I can imagine ;/
Better luck next time, gizzmo.

And I have the same feeling you have: there's no longer much of a control in the matches, no matter if you are watching it and making changes to the instructions/formations.
It's seeming to be more like: build a strong squad, pick a formation, train the players, pray for them to do the job by themselves. If "the system wants you to lose", you will lose.

I hope the trolls are with me today and my boys do the job, cause I have a hard CL final in some hours.

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Well, I am always reluctant to blame a bad result on a troll. I do not like this word. The first think I am investigating on after a defeat is ME. What did I do wrong ? What should I have done ? In this particular game, I said it previously: I just froze. Beeing behind 0-1 or even 0-2, I may have come up with something. But there... To me, this was not a proper troll anyway as the stats were just slightly in my favor. We'll see this season as the screenplay might be very similar...