people leaving associations

why do managers leave their own group during week? cause ive seen , mostly the top 100 world groups, with few managers and when the weekend aproachs there they are again....and during the weekend we see them with few points....mostly of them get 12 points only, that means they won all the games during weekend....and then on monday when we look into those groups....pufff.....only 1 or 2 managers left there.....all others had gone somewere else, and as soon as the weekend aproaches there they are again.......with 0 points......why do they do that??? :)

To manipulate the draws, changing the teams once the 1vs1 are done.^^

I have noticed this too!

Besides the manipulate:

Maybe they are getting some kind of "unexperienced" draw in next week? :) I dunno maybe the engine mating similar groups together? :)

(don't take it seriously i'm just thinking "loudly")

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Originally Posted by khris

To manipulate the draws, changing the teams once the 1vs1 are done.^^

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so....you saying that the draw takes in order to choose the amouth of points managers have??? i have plus 600 points, cause i never leave, and the game engine takes that in account to choose my oponent?

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Originally Posted by José Carlos Matias

so....you saying that the draw takes in order to choose the amouth of points managers have??? i have plus 600 points, cause i never leave, and the game engine takes that in account to choose my oponent?

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No, if you have a asso, and you change the 6 teams for 3*, you will face a 3* asso, then once the draw is made, you put again the good teams -5-6-7*- so, that's how you can manipulate it.

I think that the engine count association quality and may be association points when makes draw. I don't understand too why managers leave their associations...

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Originally Posted by khris

No, if you have a asso, and you change the 6 teams for 3*, you will face a 3* asso, then once the draw is made, you put again the good teams -5-6-7*- so, that's how you can manipulate it.

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But you can not change teams in association after draw is made.

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Originally Posted by po_zdrach

But you can not change teams in association after draw is made.

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As far as I know is how it works... the draws are based in the quality, and as far as I know thats the reason why some assos have some or all members with 0 points... true is too, tbh, that Ive not seen any pic of what occur if one try to leave when the draw is made.... but that was the version I had about "how to manipulate the system" ....... and the reason why have and use so many multi accounts.... ¿?

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Originally Posted by po_zdrach

But you can not change teams in association after draw is made.

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you right po_ ...... khris gess you didnt get my point........they dont change teams after the draw......they get out of the association on mondays and come back on thurdays....i bet is some kind of an exploit....... :)

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Originally Posted by José Carlos Matias

you right po_ ...... khris gess you didnt get my point........they dont change teams after the draw......they get out of the association on mondays and come back on thurdays....i bet is some kind of an exploit....... :)

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This is the point, the teams leave to manipulate the draws, and be paired with lower AvQ's... but here I don't know exactly the "moment" when they join again the asso to do this........-.-'''

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Originally Posted by khris

To manipulate the draws, changing the teams once the 1vs1 are done.^^

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How isn't there an official method to combat this bull? You shouldn't be able to remove or add new teams in assocs once the draws are made. Actually always thought this was the case. Shook.

I couldn't remove an inactive player today even thou our matches ended, we have to wait until the other 2 association finish too.

Maybe they have an abandoned 2° account and manipulate the draws with thoose and, at the week 4, they use their good accounts and win the 100 T.

Maybe is something abstract and complicated but it can happend, right?

The draw for associations is actually an hour or so before the tournament officially begins (you can see your next FA opponent in your fixtures then). Perhaps they substitute during this hour???

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Originally Posted by The_Savage_1

The draw for associations is actually an hour or so before the tournament officially begins (you can see your next FA opponent in your fixtures then). Perhaps they substitute during this hour???

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I think is the timing they find the loophole there or otherwise how did they do it. Very smart people.

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The leaving and rejoining isnt as bad as it appears from the outside. My association does this and it isn't helping us with the draw and it's not intended too. What's really happening in we are using the association friendly feature to play in tournaments/leagues against managers from different levels. Several facebook groups are organizing tournaments in this way and some world top 100 managers are playing in them. No foul or exploit :)

If it creates a competitive advantage, it's because these midweek tournaments/leagues create a genuine pvp environment against active managers that are good tactically and that knowledge gets shared. Whereas the league, cup and cl are more like a pve environment as toxcatl stated in a different thread if I recall correctly.

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How isn't there an official method to combat this bull? You shouldn't be able to remove or add new teams in assocs once the draws are made. Actually always thought this was the case. Shook.

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You can't leave or join an association when the draw has already been made

Before the effective draw of the semifinals is done (around 07:30-08:30 CET), there is an association grouping in subgroups

Subgroups are based mainly on Group quality, but also on points (high Platinum associations are coupled more often than random)

I think if you replace your teams just after the grouping and before the draw...

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Originally Posted by Gabez Teh

I have noticed this too!

Besides the manipulate:

Maybe they are getting some kind of "unexperienced" draw in next week? :) I dunno maybe the engine mating similar groups together? :)

(don't take it seriously i'm just thinking "loudly")

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I agree with your thoughts. Quality of asso, division, and how many individual points every team won (experience). I noticed with my asso that if we are winning easily 36:0 it means that next oppo asso won't be easy to defeat.

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Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel

The leaving and rejoining isnt as bad as it appears from the outside. My association does this and it isn't helping us with the draw and it's not intended too. What's really happening in we are using the association friendly feature to play in tournaments/leagues against managers from different levels. Several facebook groups are organizing tournaments in this way and some world top 100 managers are playing in them. No foul or exploit :)

If it creates a competitive advantage, it's because these midweek tournaments/leagues create a genuine pvp environment against active managers that are good tactically and that knowledge gets shared. Whereas the league, cup and cl are more like a pve environment as toxcatl stated in a different thread if I recall correctly.

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i know there are alot of that going on McDaniel....... but i dont think this is the case.......the teams on this groups look like costume made for FA games....not for regualr tournements as that kind of games promoted in those FB groups :)