Experiment/Mythbuster?/Fixed results

Allright, this season I will extend Nikos Experiment (https://forum.topeleven.com/Εκπαιδευ...ix-result.html) and playtest 26 league matches with my 2nd team.

I will have to learn how to post screenshots especially those "combined", with many pics in one. Anyone can help out?

Target is to attend 26 matches (I rarely did attend) or as much I can and immediatly after kick-off set the worst "formation", sub in two or three 1* players.

We prove the hypothesis: "Results are fixed during those 3mins before the match starts".

Maybe any conclusions can be found concerning "Season results are fixed at the beginning", but I wont pay much attention to it. IMO this theory is completely absurd. Maybe I start to believe it if I end up 1-3 place as always, even with those changes this season.

Combine image:

I'm doing it on PC/WIN with GIMP.

And i'm eagerly waiting for your results! I like when somebody testing our made up theories. :)
GL!

I 'm using paint.
It's a free simple program in windows but very handy
https://forum.topeleven.com/tutorial...tml#post312987

* if you want some help to delete or merge posts, ask

I'll try something like that, with SP Cows that are happily tanking at level 1 :D
aim is to have minimal and necessary loses or draws to be #10. prefered result 0:1 or 0:0
plan is to play
---DR-DC-DC-DL--
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--MR-MC-MC-ML-
with def/hard def, both, short, off, low, easy, zonal, off
to keep 0:0 as long as posible, open up a little to allow that one goal if stil draw at 75m, or go attacking if losing 2 goals
not sure how many will be able to watch, probably not much mon-fri

too much useless condition, so tried one friendly
not good
carefully adjusted strength
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starting formation
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but then scored from uncalled for CA
and pulled back even more to prevent next
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at halftime even opened midfield to allow him to equalize
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and some more at 70'
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but.. it looked like this in def
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and not too bad at all in another 2-3 counters (playing hard def!)
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so managed to have slow uneventful game
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but won, which was trying to avoid. equal or better in all stats, solid 6.7 to 7.9 all over.
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must try something else next time.. ideas?

got all-bot leauge this time. would be so easy to win it.

anyways, lost first leauge match, as intended. score - not so. was 1:0 for a long time, but they scored another one at '70. after that, all changes i made was without any effect. 2:0 at the end. still im counting this one as
free will - destiny 1:0

how was yours, KTO?

The match is later today. I think I will open a clean thread for my experiment, as both experiments differ, and it would be easier to follow as a continuously history

I'm tired of the programmed results...only 4-0, last season and this...please fix this and let teams play at their value...:(

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The match is later today. I think I will open a clean thread for my experiment, as both experiments differ, and it would be easier to follow as a continuously history

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ok, open a thread from the start and I 'll keep it "clean" from out of topic, or merge some posts,
we 'll see

sure, clear this one. I'm out

I don't want to be troll, but you have set tank formation and you lost? :D

who?
kto lost his league match 2:0
I lost my league match 2:0, won friendly 1:0

formation - not really. more like park the bus thing, in the start. with low Q players. changing whole time to try to steer the match to desired outcome.

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who?
kto lost his league match 2:0
I lost my league match 2:0, won friendly 1:0

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COOL!

I replied earlier to original thread but somebody moved my reply!

So it ment to be KTO's game! :)

so about jamaica test, day 1 still cannot prove the hypothesis, looking forward for day 2

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Originally Posted by adifairus

so about jamaica test, day 1 still cannot prove the hypothesis, looking forward for day 2

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yep, I did that :p
@Kto asked to keep that thread clean so to post his games day by day and we cane make comments here.

So day1 as I can see (#2), he lost with a low score for the formation he played and no GK.

:) The pics show, that I ve set a 4-5-1V. Normally an easy win, 0-2 was a "lucky result", statistically domination of the opponent was huge. Thanks Nik :)
Main question is, do our changes during the game influence anything? Day 1 is a very clear Yes.
Interesting was AM's comment "Individual skills was the key factor" which he could never said about my start 11

What do people think of day 2 'Fixed in Jamaica'? Interesting, eh? Some might say, 0-3 is almost a normal result for a lower quality team. I am more tempted to think how low the influence of formations is, probably lower as I thought before. I am convinced that this result with these stats wouldnt happen in a regular game (at least never happened in tons of games with that team). So if we say that there was a game changer, those three subs alone could be enough for a clear loss.

I've seen many times a goal being scored after i made a substitution,but 2 goals scored the same minute each sub was made, first time i've seen.I don't belive this was a coincidence.
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Originally Posted by madflo19

I don't belive this was a coincidence.

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I'm pretty sure it was. It doesn't happen all the time (almost never, to be exact), so what else could it be?

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Originally Posted by Toxcatl

I'm pretty sure it was. It doesn't happen all the time (almost never, to be exact), so what else could it be?

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Yes this is very rare,but what i wanted to say is that every time i do a sub,a goal will come,from 6 games in this season,in 5 games a goal was scored by my team after a sub was done and it took from 1 to 4 game minutes to happen.This means that because of our actions,the engine reacts (this is my thought) ..of course this doesn't means that the game is not fixed =] (who will win/lose)

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Originally Posted by madflo19

Yes this is very rare,but what i wanted to say is that every time i do a sub,a goal will come,from 6 games in this season,in 5 games a goal was scored by my team after a sub was done and it took from 1 to 4 game minutes to happen.This means that because of our actions,the engine reacts (this is my thought) ..of course this doesn't means that the game is not fixed =] (who will win/lose)

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I think the engine reacts too. It generates the match before it starts, and every time someone makes a change, the rest of the game is being recalculating. A red nickname said once, that in some cases the engine simulates a match in the background, and it happens almost instantly.

We have only three levers on the game: formation, orders and subs. I'd like to see an experiments like this, but with each of those tested independently, not together.

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Originally Posted by Toxcatl

I'd like to see an experiments like this, but with each of those tested independently, not together.

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for example?

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Originally Posted by Toxcatl

We have only three levers on the game: formation, orders and subs. I'd like to see an experiments like this, but with each of those tested independently, not together.

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That would be great, maybe someone gets interested in those experiments. I think "Fixed in Jamaica" stays with changing formation and subs (changing orders makes IMO under 1% difference) to weaken the team as much as possible. If we get 26/26 times bad results, the issue with fixed results before the kick-off is for me definetly closed. If not 26/26, new questions will be created.

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Originally Posted by madflo19

every time i do a sub,a goal will come,from 6 games in this season,in 5 games a goal was scored by my team after a sub was done and it took from 1 to 4 game minutes to happen

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Here I did some math, in two seasons the chance to score after a sub was a bit higher, but tbh the sample size is not high enough.