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    I'm also noticing a goal soon after the manager joins the game, this also happens quite often.
    BTW the first screen is from a single cup game. 1 sub 1 goal, 1 sub 1 goal. The rest is happening in the league every day. This is getting ridiculous.


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    If I ever need to secure the result I feel like exploiting it
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    Winning Eleven season records:

    15 Leagues won : 1, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 14, 18, 19, 20, 23, 24, 25, 30, 31, 38 - Runner up: 8, 10, 15
    9 Champions League won: 7, 9, 11, 19, 20, 21, 24, 31, 33 - Runner up: 15, 16, 26, 34
    1 Super League won: 38
    7 Cups won: 17, 18, 20, 23, 24, 33, 35 - Runner up: 9, 14, 34, 38

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    I came to a point where I can predict goals. Association game that I just played, made a substitution that triggered at 81st minute, then the subsequent action was a goal for my opponent. It was so obvious that I took a screenshot even before the goal.
    It happened 7 minutes after the substitution which on average is a lot, but it was the first and only action that happened after it, maybe a sync problem? I sometimes switch to the other live games, so maybe the timing was a little off.
    Opponent manager absent, no fans for the opponent.


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    Winning Eleven season records:

    15 Leagues won : 1, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 14, 18, 19, 20, 23, 24, 25, 30, 31, 38 - Runner up: 8, 10, 15
    9 Champions League won: 7, 9, 11, 19, 20, 21, 24, 31, 33 - Runner up: 15, 16, 26, 34
    1 Super League won: 38
    7 Cups won: 17, 18, 20, 23, 24, 33, 35 - Runner up: 9, 14, 34, 38

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    I played 6 games yesterday (5 official and 1 friendly organized by a friend) and 4 games out of those 6 had this substitution "bug" occurring. The other 2 games where it didn't happen it was because...I simply did not watch, nor did the opponent!

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    Winning Eleven season records:

    15 Leagues won : 1, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 14, 18, 19, 20, 23, 24, 25, 30, 31, 38 - Runner up: 8, 10, 15
    9 Champions League won: 7, 9, 11, 19, 20, 21, 24, 31, 33 - Runner up: 15, 16, 26, 34
    1 Super League won: 38
    7 Cups won: 17, 18, 20, 23, 24, 33, 35 - Runner up: 9, 14, 34, 38

  5. #45
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    Update (see posts 31&34)

    29 games, 88 goals (54 2nd half), 82 subs
    0-1 mins ~ 7 goals
    2-3 mins ~ 8 goals
    4-5 mins ~ 6 goals

    Total 29×45/54=24,17 min/goal
    0-5 "after-sub-mins" (0-5,5)* ~ 19,52m/g (21,46m/g)
    0-3 "asm" (0-3,5)* ~ 16,40m/g (19,13 m/g)

    * see post 34
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    Based on what I have observed in this game, substitutions clearly cause a sort of re-calculation by game engine. This is ok, else doing substitutions would be like doing nothing as such to influence matches. But there are flaws in the system. Many times I have noticed substitutions resulting into immediate penalties like yellow cards, red cards, penalty conceded, free-kick conceded or goals conceded. The same applies for the case of a manager or a fan suddenly joining in the game too. It seems that the effect is not appropriate, and in some cases, clearly it is. For example, concerning this game, you may not be 100% sure that the substitute your made is the correct move, but how about a fan or the manager of a team suddenly showing up during a match, where a clear negative effect (yellow card, goal conceded, or other) is seen? How can just the act of a manager or a supporter joining in a match affect the supported team negatively so much that this results to immediate things like a goal conceded or a red card?, when in fact it should be positive or at most neutral? This is an indication of how much randomness there possibly is in this game.
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  7. #47
    Kto
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kto View Post
    Update (see posts 31&34)

    29 games, 88 goals (54 2nd half), 82 subs
    0-1 mins ~ 7 goals
    2-3 mins ~ 8 goals
    4-5 mins ~ 6 goals

    Total 29×45/54=24,17 min/goal
    0-5 "after-sub-mins" (0-5,5)* ~ 19,52m/g (21,46m/g)
    0-3 "asm" (0-3,5)* ~ 16,40m/g (19,13 m/g)

    * see post 34
    Update after a full season -1 game:

    48 games, 146 goals (85 in 2nd half), 133 subs

    0-1 ~ 8
    2-3 ~ 10
    4-5 ~ 12

    Overall 25,41 m/g
    0-5: 22,17 (24,38)
    0-3: 22,17 (25,86)
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