Idea for players and buying/selling

Team to be limited to 11 reserves (that includes bench)

HAVE A UNDER 20 JUNIOR TEAM OF 13 PLAYERS
there could even be a league for them too....? Even a cup...
These players then get trained and when they reach 18 yrs old you have the option to promote to reserves or sell them.
What age should they start? 14/15 but your scout could find a range from 14-19
Maybe only available once you've built a junior team training area and pitch?

For all players there should be a SALE button that lets the game know that player is for sale. (18 yrs old and over)
In the transfer window your player(s) appear with their rating. Prices should start 10% below market rate.
Player's bracket ratings determine which you are able to buy, 99% or lower still. (if your player is rated 48% it will appear to lower league teams as higher due to rating in brackets) similarly you will have opportunity to buy players from higher leagues dependent on their bracket rating.
Do you chance it that a player you want wont get sold so price will decrease...or bid straight away?

Same 3 min window with unsold players being relisted -5% of starting price.
When players get sold you get the final price AND TOKENS - 20% of both fee for Nordeus / Top Eleven being the sellers.
This means if bidding goes crazy on your player you stand to make a decent profit not only in gold but also tokens.

This also means you may have space in your junior team for more youngsters, which your scout can give options on.

you can still approach managers for players not listed....and make offers

This means instead of random generated players filling up the transfer window, there would be a finite number of real players. This would mean you have to be smart with your buying and selling rather than just haphazard as it is now.
Plus training players becomes more crucial.
This would also create a history for the players which could be another area that could be of interest. Showing stats gained from previous teams.
It would add another level of reality.

To counter peoples mistaken idea that I am suggesting reverting to an older version but that I am suggesting an improvement to the new system.
Same as the current negotiations tab but as the auction tab instead.
Where all listed players are from real teams who wish to sell them!
But with the players skill level so that only teams from certain levels can buy. i.e. 99% and below so if you decide to list your 74% player and your level 20 then only teams level 18 and above can purchase. Similarly if you have a 24% player then your probably talking 5-6 levels below your level would view him.

Too many changes to do to the current system to implement your ideas

Unfeasible

"When players get sold you get the final price AND TOKENS - 20% of both fee for Nordeus / Top Eleven being the sellers.
This means if bidding goes crazy on your player you stand to make a decent profit not only in gold but also tokens."

You obviously have no idea what so ever how the Transfer market works do you ?
Your idea would not work unless the whole system was reconstructed and I for one do not want a system where I have to bid on other players rubbish.I´d much rather have 24/7 Nordeus generated players.

Yes it would mean an overhaul of system but it's not unfeasible.
An update in progress, when ready....roll it out, surely

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Originally Posted by Bunzo

"When players get sold you get the final price AND TOKENS - 20% of both fee for Nordeus / Top Eleven being the sellers.
This means if bidding goes crazy on your player you stand to make a decent profit not only in gold but also tokens."

You obviously have no idea what so ever how the Transfer market works do you ?

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errrr Yes I use it regularly!
Never earnt a token on a player listed though....maybe your special?
Where do you think players with no history/ratings come from?

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Originally Posted by Blast

errrr Yes I use it regularly!
Never earnt a token on a player listed though....maybe your special?
Where do you think players with no history/ratings come from?

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You will never earn a token as nobody is bidding on your player ..the game decides a price.. the end

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Originally Posted by Bunzo

You will never earn a token as nobody is bidding on your player ..the game decides a price.. the end

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Your obviously happy with that state of affairs, fine
Just tick the dislike box.

I for one, believe I should get some tokens for sold players, as I've used tokens to buy and train them.
When you buy players from other managers direct they get some tokens....why not for all players bought and sold?

What you are asking is to go back to the old server based TM ?
Would bidders get their tokens back if they lost ?
Tokens from winning bidder goes to manager?
Would there be Nodreus generated players in this TM ?

All this is a giant overhaul of the TM and Im satisfied with the new system as I no longer I have to get up at 5am to hunt for Nordgen FT players
I was unsure of it at first but once it was understood to be all generated players I liked the idea yes as you point out im happy with the state of affairs regarding the TM.

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Originally Posted by Blast

Your obviously happy with that state of affairs, fine
Just tick the dislike box.

I for one, believe I should get some tokens for sold players, as I've used tokens to buy and train them.
When you buy players from other managers direct they get some tokens....why not for all players bought and sold?

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I'm more fan to keep the size team as it is now -people has been claiming for it months- and use the Mou team as a source for younger players of different kind of positions...

Regarding the tokens for players this would mean sell all players via negotiations -as since seasons ago the market was changed, players now don't interact and is a bot who sell you and buy your players-

I will say I'm not agree basically for one reason, and is that for the abuses that we had regarding the multi accounts I've been defending the idea that the negotiations should be limited.
What you suggest as the game is actually can be a source for the multi account reselling just to give resources to 1 main account using ..another 5? 10? accounts.. this means undervalue the tokens itself and I guess that the game can not allow a fluctuation of tokens in this scale (thinking that mostly of these tokens would be non bought tokens).

So, I will finish with a -something should be done, regarding the academy, somethin "can" be done regarding decrease the ages of players to 14-16 years to create a new academy system... something can be done increasing the Negotiations experience... but every decision have consequences and that's not so easy and flat...-

:)

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Originally Posted by Bunzo

What you are asking is to go back to the old server based TM ?
Would bidders get their tokens back if they lost ?
Tokens from winning bidder goes to manager?
Would there be Nodreus generated players in this TM ?

All this is a giant overhaul of the TM and Im satisfied with the new system as I no longer I have to get up at 5am to hunt for Nordgen FT players
I was unsure of it at first but once it was understood to be all generated players I liked the idea yes as you point out im happy with the state of affairs regarding the TM.

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I too liked the Nordgens.. were a plus to the game but inside the academy as seems that they are now, are better placed....

Having a youth team and league looks like a good idea. It may help to increase the
'reality' of the game (but wouldn't it be little more stressful )
You should get some tokens for selling a player.
Sometimes I feel negotiations is token eating machine ,it takes TOO many tokens.

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Originally Posted by Nithish78

Having a youth team and league looks like a good idea. It may help to increase the
'reality' of the game (but wouldn't it be little more stressful )
You should get some tokens for selling a player.
Sometimes I feel negotiations is token eating machine ,it takes TOO many tokens.

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It depends on which kind of players you buy in negotiations. If you buy a well trained player that can last in your team 2-3 years or even more for around 15-20 tokens, it's not really expensive. If you buy not trained players, yes, that's a waste of tokens.

I dont think there is tat much wrong with the TM as it is. I wouldnt mind a small change or 2 , like it only being 3 minutes long instead of 4 and would like more players listed in each auction , maybe 20 to 30 but otherwise its ok. Negotiations are not too bad. I think Nordeus take too big a cut , maybe it should lower its cut to 50%. I also feel that there should be as minimum offer which might stop the guys who think I am going to sell an 18-19 yo player for 0 tokens , its just not going to happen. I usually offer between 5 and 10 tokens for the other manager which isnt all that expensive with te Nordeus cut added on , 20 to 35 tokens , which when compared to the auction in early season or scouting and assistant prices is pretty good and your getting a player that has a decent starting point.

As for having an under 20 league , meh most of my main team are already in that bracket anyway , maybe an over 23's league would be better to try to keep older players in the game a bit more.

Good points Khris
I was not considering the cheaters who have multiple accounts...but how would they profit from it?
I envisage putting your players on the market in the same format as is current, to let all managers have a chance to bid, but you would only receive 75%-80% of final selling price, as there would be a sellers fee for TopEleven. So even interacting between multiple accounts means you'd lose 20-25% of your tokens each transaction....not a good way to boost an account! But yes a limitation on number of transactions per season would also counter act the fraud.

Not asking to go back to old system at all. But to use new system with a transparency about the players and who is selling them. Similar to the negotiations tab except as the auctions tab....it would not be that difficult to impliment.

John Like the old timers idea :)

Totally agree with you about the silly offers.
But instead of 99% players automatically being listed (which I find annoying especially if I've just bought the player myself...) what about a means of listing players you don't mind selling?

Some people have got this bug in their head that I'm suggesting going backwards....couldn't be further from the truth. As per Khris: to use new system with a transparency about the players and who is selling them. Similar to the negotiations tab except as the auctions tab....it would not be that difficult to impliment.

Cheers Nithish78
This is precisely my point. With a youth team you get to train them. Then when they reach 18 or so you have option to purchase them for your main team or sell them.
If all players on the market were from teams selling theirs, they'd all have some training and possible playing experience.

Quote Originally Posted by Bunzo View Post
What you are asking is to go back to the old server based TM ? No I'm not
Would bidders get their tokens back if they lost ? yes, same system...just like the negotiations tab...
Tokens from winning bidder goes to manager? Less 20-25% for Top Eleven marketplace
Would there be Nodreus generated players in this TM ? only at the Junior level / Academy Level which you choose to accept or not

It would not be that difficult, other football manager games utilise it.

You're making things far too complicated.
Think. Under the current auction system every single token and every single dollar spent by the winning bidder to buy a player goes to Nordeus.
Why would Nordeus want to reprogram the whole system if not to recover even more of the tokens and cash we have in our accounts?
I know you've suggested a sellers fee, but when Nordeus is the only seller on auction............that's all. They get everything.
Someone call the monopolies commission.

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HAVE A UNDER 20 JUNIOR TEAM OF 13 PLAYERS
there could even be a league for them too....? Even a cup...
These players then get trained and when they reach 18 yrs old you have the option to promote to reserves or sell them.
What age should they start? 14/15 but your scout could find a range from 14-19
Maybe only available once you've built a junior team training area and pitch?

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This is an interesting idea

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Too many changes to do to the current system to implement your ideas

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who knows what tomorrow holds for us :rolleyes:

let's see that again in the future

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Originally Posted by Altiplano

You're making things far too complicated.
Think. Under the current auction system every single token and every single dollar spent by the winning bidder to buy a player goes to Nordeus.
Why would Nordeus want to reprogram the whole system if not to recover even more of the tokens and cash we have in our accounts?
I know you've suggested a sellers fee, but when Nordeus is the only seller on auction............that's all. They get everything.
Someone call the monopolies commission.

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Absolutely Altiplano
They'd still get everything at the acadamy level but then the managers would be able to recoup a little selling older players to the beginner levels.
Maybe for levels 1-5 you can only play acadamy level which would generate some of the players scouted by higher level clubs.
Think it would spread the players across the levels more and you'd have to manage your teams more, as it may not be so easy to buy the players you want...as in the real world.