Do you know what UpSelling is?

[asmartins]

This practice exploits a major flaw in the game. It's not just about passing the level players, but the attributes with negative values presented as 1%.
When a player has a 1% attribute and he passes the level through negotiation or advances a season, visually that number does not reduce, but for the calculations of quality of the players are used negative values and that drastically reduce the quality of the players.

See the following example of its effects with a TOP 1 player. The print is in Portuguese, but I believe that the attributes are in the same positions in all languages.

Player


1- Quality of the player attributed by Nordeus


2 - Quality of the player calculated based on the means determined by Nordeus


3- Player quality calculated with math



Here is the link for visualization with the calculations: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Now, was changing training really a priority to eliminate mutants?

[Spartan117]

They didn't just change it, they called everyone that was using the GK training system to train our players cheats.

[adifairus]

mutant still can be created without upselling if you are rich and you are keep leveling up and keep hard training same player every season

[asmartins]

mutant still can be created without upselling if you are rich and you are keep leveling up and keep hard training same player every season

Yes, but what I'm trying to explain is that a player 76%, should be 204%. The 1% actually represents a negative value internally in the game.

[adifairus]

Yes, but what I'm trying to explain is that a player 76%, should be 204%. The 1% actually represents a negative value internally in the game.

yes, i know about it because i was feel weird also with those mutant overall skill compared with mathematically calculated.

but, if we want to stop the mutant production activity, prevent upselling only will not solve the problem,

there are still rich people out there, and what make they rich? many ways

i) born in rich family
ii) hardwork and good salary
iii) selling the Asso.. whoppps
iv) etc

[asmartins]

my question is precisely this, Nordeus is prioritizing some corrections and leaving critical and old points behind.
It is attacking the training as the focus of the problem, but I see it as a priority and even bizarre.

[HairDryer]

my question is precisely this, Nordeus is prioritizing some corrections and leaving critical and old points behind.
It is attacking the training as the focus of the problem, but I see it as a priority and even bizarre.

Exactly they keep pointing the training as a major problem and try to correct what is not wrong at all. Keep avoiding questions of upselling.



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[Altiplano]

Individual skills being allowed to have a negative, and therefore hidden value is the problem.
I started playing in 2015 so I don't know how the old system that Khris writes about worked. But a limit of average quality between the 3 areas of training (attack, defence and physical and mental) does sound like a better system than the one we have today. 20%, 30% difference at least gives some scope for players to have some individualism and not leave every team in every league on every server with exactly the same player skills.

[HairDryer]

Now back to topic @Altiplano yes agree every player should have their own individual skill rather then clone.
I don’t get it even the mutants if all have the same 340%-1% what really determine the skill. To me there shouldn’t be any limit or cap in skill.



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[Vernie83]

What I didn't get is the nordeus way. Is really this things, changing the training system or ending the GK trick the best way to achieve what T11 wants? Really? Nordeus can't do worst.... Or maybe they can, they are proving it day after day