Well thanx for the above advice, least sum1 has the decency 2 reply, i honestly dont think my formation is the prob, i´ve played the same formation for the previous 3 seasons and i´ve had promtion these past 3 seasons, 2nd, 3rd and 3rd, and as ive sed in previos posts i´ve been beaten 2 top spot by scout bought teams, all quality 40 and above, and u can play 10 defenders and u´ll still loose, i´m building my team slowly, dont see the fun of spending loadsa cash 2 hav a top quality side and win all ya games and hardly concede a goal, i hav 4 strikers all of the same quality who i often rotate so i dont need 2 buy anymore, as i sed apart from 3 players who r quality 29, i hav a squad of 4 star 30 plus quality players, and most teams in my league uses 4-4-2, i dont buy dmf,amf aml/r, so not in2 playin people out of posssision, and not really intersted in buyin 1 of these positions just for maybe q handful of games a season, thanx for ya advice tho boys.