This is not a rant, just me looking for answers.

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Originally Posted by Narf

I bolded a sentence about some "favour bar" ... there's no such thing - this is a possession bar. Try switching to an illegal formation during a game and you'll see it working live - that "favour bar" will quickly go to 80/20 against you.

I would also argue about the game engine not being able to apply a score to a player in a different position. It's quite simple to do so - you have 2 teams with 11 players each. Eliminate the goalkeeper as it would never let him attack and it's down to 10 each. All 20 of them could easily be marked in the following form:

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<team_number><player_index>

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Where each of the fields is presented by a single number - 1 or 2 for teams and 0-9 for player numbers (it always starts from 0 in programming). No matter how many substitutions and or which positions they are made - if players 10, 15, 17 and 24 are scheduled to score - they will.

I'm not saying it works that way - I'm saying it can. Just my 2 cents.

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Narf, my hero. I TOTALLY agree with you on absolutely EVERYTHING you said. I couldn't have said it better myself....well maybe, but you beat me to it.

As a programmer myself, it is refreshing to hear from another person with experience. It gets frustrating with people with no experience stating that its impossible for the results to be pre-determined. We both know that it is possible but I cant prove that it is true. Nor do I care to. I have better things to do with my day. I just put that possibility out there so people can think about it.

All very good points. Nordues certainly has to up their game if they want to show us that they are serious about providing a game that is fair and enjoyable. Of course not everyone is going to be happy with this game, not matter what Nordeus does, but that is human nature. It just seems that Nordeus should be doing more. As a result, more people will speak out like you and me.

Colin OUT!

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Originally Posted by gkassimis

exactly. i have done it several times and the team who plays in the beggining with proper formation and correct positions but for 80 minutes with illegal formation and wrong positions is winning the team that is starting the match with illegal formation and wrong positions but for 80 minutes they play properly

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No way?! :eek:

But that means its useless to watch yout games. Why implement the possesion bonus then?

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Originally Posted by gkassimis

exactly. i have done it several times and the team who plays in the beggining with proper formation and correct positions but for 80 minutes with illegal formation and wrong positions is winning the team that is starting the match with illegal formation and wrong positions but for 80 minutes they play properly

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Dood, I am interested in what this means. Only I am not sure I understand what you wrote. Could you please clarify this? No offense but it is a bit confusing.

He meant that one player has illegal formation other one has a proper one. After beginnen they simply exchange formations, but the player with the now illegal formations wins anyway because he had the better (and not illegal) formation when game begun.
TEAM A: Illegal Formation TEAM B legal and proper formation

game starts

agter just a few minutes:
TEAM A: legal and proper formation TEAM B illegal fomation

after 90 minutes TEAM B wins
Did I get it right?

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Originally Posted by Hecke

He meant that one player has illegal formation other one has a proper one. After beginnen they simply exchange formations, but the player with the now illegal formations wins anyway because he had the better (and not illegal) formation when game begun.
TEAM A: Illegal Formation TEAM B legal and proper formation

game starts

agter just a few minutes:
TEAM A: legal and proper formation TEAM B illegal fomation

after 90 minutes TEAM B wins
Did I get it right?

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That makes perfect sense now.

The team that started the game with legal formation wins no matter what change of formation, even if illegal.

So just to make sure, the test should be done where the legal formation changes formation to illegal at first moment possible after the game starts. Of course the illegal formation changes at the same time to a legal formation.

According to all that has been IMPLIED, the team starting the match with legal formation should win 9 out of 10 times, of course factoring in the Nordeus random-result-game-engine.

This needs to be tested approx 10 times just to verify. VERY INTERESTING

thats what i meant. i have done it for 5-6 times and only once the team playing proper formation for 80 minutes won (you need about 10 min to change both formations) . please take notice that not only i changed formation to illegal but i changed also the players positions (striker for goalkeeper, goalkeeper for striker etc). i used it playing against my wifes team and i had to use my reserves against her first team in order the 2 teams to be equal quality. if the 2 teams have a significant quality difference then you can't be sure about your conclusions since the strong team even playing illegal can win the weak.

Thats just ridiculous...but than again...
A few seasons ago when the engine wasnt so ****ed up as it is now I had the feeling that when I missed a game I lost it. So why the thing with the ball possesion?

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Originally Posted by Hecke

Thats just ridiculous...but than again...
A few seasons ago when the engine wasnt so ****ed up as it is now I had the feeling that when I missed a game I lost it. So why the thing with the ball possesion?

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Just like in the Matrix...People reject things when they feel they dont have a choice - conscious or subconscious.

If Nordeus comes out and says "the games are pre-determined, but log in and click on your game and we can play a simulation of the result", does that sound as good as watching a game being played realtime where your choices can affect the game?

People want to be able to affect results. Just ask any Chinese betting company. :p

Nobody is saying that the results are pre-determined...it is just that certain results tend to make one lean towards believing it.

It would be nice if Nordeus came out and stated in basic non-specific terms, how their application is based so the conspiracies can be put to rest....

At the end of the day, this is clearly just entertainment. How much are you willing to pay to be entertained by Nordeus in this manner?

Has anyone else tested it? I fear Nordeus wont give a statement...
Perhaps its time to look for a new PVP game...

I may be able to shed some light on the subject, this season I played an illegal formation by mistake the game started automatically 20% possession before I could change they scored by the end of the match I had won 2-1 but it took until the 70th min for the possession to sort itself out as it moved very slowly.