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rookie the fact that there are many crap things about this game doesn't mean that the game is crap. i find very interesting thigs about it thats why i am still playing. i try to set up my team properly before the game begins but i have no illusions that i can change the course of it if something goes uglyQuote:
Originally Posted by SimplySimon
We're actually saying almost the same thing, and I agree with you. The game engine decides if it will be a tough match before it starts - to an extent this is exactly like real life when the team preparation before a game influences how they perform on the pitch and changing tactics or players during the game can have an impact, but if the flow of a game is against you probably not a huge impactQuote:
Originally Posted by Morgan O'Bree
On the other point, sometimes a good team has an off day. Sometimes a good team has many off days. Arsenal in the EPL always have a better possession than the opposition, but they are a long way from winning the league. Man City have a more expensive squad and arguably better players on paper than Man Utd. Utd will win the league comfortably though.
At the other end of the table, QPR have spent more money than anyone this year and have excellent players. They are rock bottom and have been almost all season. Shows that you can't just throw money at a team (or tokens) and have guaranteed success
Perhaps with illegal formations, if you are going to bother having them they should almost always be beaten. Almost always. Not always. Just like you shouldn't always win if you have have 'better' players or tactics
I love to be patronised :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by gkassimis
If you think the results are pre-determined, then just do the other things in the game like training and transfers and don't worry about watching the matches - because if what is going to happen will happen anyway, you don't even need the possession bonus
Whatever the game is like, it's like that for every player
I guess I'm playing devil's advocate a bit with some of these complaining threads because I think there is so much right about this game - and I've played 1000s of hours on different manager games over 20 years
Of course if people want to vent a bit then I guess hitting up the forum can help. Here's mine:
My star midfielder, who's got 10 goals in 5 league games this season, broke his leg this morning in a game I couldn't watch and is out for 10 days FFS!
You are right in that most people want to win, this is natural. I laugh my ass off at the tons of post from people who EXPECT to win because of 1) formation , 2) they buy tokens, 3) team quality is more than opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplySimon
But there is nothing wrong with wanting to know the ins and outs of this game down the most minute detail in order to win every game. At the end of the day, this is just a game and not cold fusion. If people want to put their effort into this and study it, so be it.
We only hear from the people who want to voice their opinions on this game. We dont hear from the many thousands (LOL) of people who have the same amount of frustration and anger and yes, even happiness. Since they arent on here, they really dont exist? (Yes the cat is both alive AND dead).
Anyways...just sayin
Colin OUT!
OK, the simple fact is this: you can make subs anytime in the game and IF the game is already pre-determined, it takes this into account and if your DR was going to score in the original pre-determined outcome at the 67th minute, and you sub your DR at the 55th minute, the engine changes the game to reflect this and your new sub is the player who scores. Is it that hard to figure out???Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgan O'Bree
Assuming things are pre-determined. the game knows the results and creates the storyline/commentary to entertain you. All your arrows, formation changes, subs etc are just window dressing and can easily be adapted into the storyline.
I am not saying that the games are pre-determined. I am saying that it is very possible to do this. AND it is most likely easier for Nordeus to do this.
Schrodinger reference, love it!Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
The forum holds an incredible amount of info on how the game works and how to do well on it, even down to the most minute details, so I guess this is where study and experimentation can be - and is - done
All I'm saying is that however hard you study the game, there shouldn't be 'one way' to win matches or beat other tactics, and that as long as the game is the same for everyone, it being difficult and even downright frustrating at times isn't a bad thing. In some ways it's more realistic because of that
Final Note: Statistically people are several times more likely to complain about something than praise it, so the balance of posts will never be in favour of those who are happy with the game
It's why I'm trying to strike a semblance of balance here - I think Nordeus are doing a fantastic job with this game AND are working hard to make it better. Of course they will never be able to make everyone happy all the time
i am 37 yo. i started playing football manager games about at 1992. i remember my first was a primitive game called 1-0. since then i have played almost every fm game i had the chance to find. the rookie thing is a fact. you play 2 months while i play 8. i had the chance to read many threads from the old forum which changed at december. there you could read very interesting things from managers level 20-30. they wrote about predetermined games, the crazy results each seasons last week, how token buyers have more unlucky incidents etcQuote:
Originally Posted by SimplySimon
Non exactly like you say. Changing a DL for another Dl wont change a bad flow. If you are losing 2-0 and make thst sub, you are likely to keep losing. Pre determination diesn t matter apart from what kind of match you ll have engine decides.Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
My point is that indeed it works like that in real too somewhat, but the problem here is that in t11 it s TOO random.
Otherwise, module changes DO effect the game. Changing your setup at right time might mean difference in win-lose a match. As example yesterday i faced a q43 in cup (im 40) with 4-1-2-1-2 vs his 3-1-4-1-1 and dominated him for 80 mins, being 2-0. Favour bat alwais on my colour mostly and 60% possession. At 75' i switched to 4-5-1 V (which is 3-1-4-1-1 counter) to protect till the end with one more midfielder. By the time of 5 mins needed to register the change the favour bar suddenly went for him for the first time of the match, and possession dropped to 56%. I took the 2-1 which keeps qualification over. So yeah changes can effect game engine.
Its posts like that which make these threads so frustrating. So to me you didnt read the thread properly. Cant we talk here about the issues with the engine without someone telling the obvious, like you cant win them all or things like that. No one said he wants to win them all. No one said there shouldnt be bad luck. But some things are just so ridiculous, that it should be said here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplySimon
Ok, baited into one last response. Of course I read the thread properly and responded as best I felt I could, addressing two specific points from the OP as well as other posters. I'll say it once more, the game engine will never make everyone happy because it comes down to what a person can accept as a realistic result - ultimately it's very difficult to simulate the real thing, because it's so unpredictable
Real life examples from English football - Bradford City get to a cup final, team costs about £200k. QPR terrible in EPL, full of expensive internationals and much higher 'quality' than other teams. If the equivalent to those things happens in a game people will scream "it's not realistic"
Of course easy for me to say, my team is doing well. And yes I've only played a couple of months. But that doesn't make my opinions less valid - as I stated, I know manager games well as does my Greek friend above, so I know this is a good one
The devs have done well, created a great game, and clearly try to make improvements. I try to be a voice of reason or to offer a counter point, perhaps people just want someone to say "Yeah, same for me, ****ing stupid devs don't listen, they need to change it/change it back blah blah blah"
So rather than my post ruining the thread, it is the comments heading this way that ruins the forum. There is a vent thread to screw off about all the injustices of the game engine, because these frustrations will always exist
The OP summed it up when he said that no answer will satisfy him, that is true for most complainants I guess
-sign off-