The dictatorship of a captain in an asso group

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10-16-2018
nikolgiorgos

The dictatorship of a captain in an asso group

As there is a new contest with asso groups, I post here what I was thinking before long time.
Ok, so the captain decides for everything, he has total control of the groups, can kick out any member or even the vice-captain.

The vice-captain can do some actions but only if the captain agree - or else can change to default and kick out the v-captain.

Is it fair ?
Doesn't look so.

How about to add a new rule ?
The captain cannot kick out (or demote) the v-captain, only the simple members.

If one weekend the v-captain won't saw in any of the four games of the group, he looses his title and becomes a simple member automatically .

Then the captain can kick him out or make him again vice captain (if they are aware of his absence) .

Any other ideas against the dictatorship of the captain ?
10-16-2018
Crvena Zvezda

There is no democracy in real Nordeus life ;)
10-16-2018
nikolgiorgos

no, it's not only for this challenge.
For example Khris is the dictator of our group .
We live in fear and a chronic worry for years now :p
10-16-2018
lalexrus

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

As there is a new contest with asso groups, I post here what I was thinking before long time.
Ok, so the captain decides for everything, he has total control of the groups, can kick out any member or even the vice-captain.

The vice-captain can do some actions but only if the captain agree - or else can change to default and kick out the v-captain.

Is it fair ?
Doesn't look so.

How about to add a new rule ?
The captain cannot kick out (or demote) the v-captain, only the simple members.

If one weekend the v-captain won't saw in any of the four games of the group, he looses his title and becomes a simple member automatically .

Then the captain can kick him out or make him again vice captain (if they are aware of his absence) .

Any other ideas against the dictatorship of the captain ?

No, there is no need for such improvements. the captain is the OWNER of association, the vc - helper -is not a title to be earned). and in general, a member of association (no matter - vc or a simple member) who loses and does not bring points - must be changed. but it would be interesting to have titles and awards for a successful game for participants in associations.
and if the captain is a dictator, then in fact you are not friends, so it is not necessary to play in such an association. need to find one where everyone will be friends.
10-16-2018
nikolgiorgos

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if the captain is a dictator, then in fact you are not friends,

of course
The majority of the groups are not "friends", they are (we could say) partners.
And many times I have read cases where the captain kicked out a good active member to bring in another friend or his second account and get the prize.
10-16-2018
IImaestroII

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

no, it's not only for this challenge.
For example Khris is the dictator of our group .
We live in fear and a chronic worry for years now :p

LOL,

Btw, I can understand i'm a captain too :D, it really depends on what kind of person he is. A good Leader don't kick without sense or take decision always on his own.
For me the captain is a guide,the experienced and sage member, if there is a problem we all talk and take decisions, not a despotic Leader. In my case we are all friends a great group so no such problems. I already had problems like someone inactive but no instant kick, we talked and he left.
10-16-2018
IImaestroII

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

of course
The majority of the groups are not "friends", they are (we could say) partners.
And many times I have read cases where the captain kicked out a good active member to bring in another friend or his second account and get the prize.

Y this is a bad thing
10-16-2018
pcmacdaniel

Seems like a non issue to me.

No one is getting booted mere hours before this challenge kicks off without good reason, such as abandoning there team.

Develop some well-trained or mutant players and there will be plenty of opportunities to join competitive associations if kicked out.
10-16-2018
PricopGeorgeCătălin

Members are free to come and leave anytime so dictatorship is a big word I guess.

Captain is also a title to small, in reality you are more then just a captain, you are also the owner of the Association so you should have a full control.

The only issue is when captain is stop playing, in this case there should be demoting system even for the captain, if he is inactive for X period of time, then he should go as vice-captain and vice-captain to get promoted as captain, if both are inactive, then 3rd one, probably the person who contribute the most to go as captain and then so on.
10-17-2018
Lito Delcid

At least anyone of ya'll belonged to an asociation in which the dictator(and the rest of the members) connected to the game once a year, had a bad quality, and finished every Asociations Tournament as 4th! Now i am in a group in which all the members behave as responsible managers [emoji3]

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10-17-2018
pcmacdaniel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lito Delcid

At least anyone of ya'll belonged to an asociation in which the dictator(and the rest of the members) connected to the game once a year, had a bad quality, and finished every Asociations Tournament as 4th! Now i am in a group in which all the members behave as responsible managers [emoji3]

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Not that bad.

Worst I've encountered is a captain that always would take a double or triple bonus for themselves. Additionally the captain frequently kicked managers out, sometimes for illogical reasons. Such as replacing a manager that has 32% training bonuses w/ a manager that has 4% training bonuses.

I didn't understand the logic, so just left.
10-17-2018
khris

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

no, it's not only for this challenge.
For example Khris is the dictator of our group .
We live in fear and a chronic worry for years now :p

LOL

D.I.C.T.A.T.O.R.

Muahahahaha

:rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6DO_7px1I
10-17-2018
Nebu

Quote:

Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin

Members are free to come and leave anytime so dictatorship is a big word I guess.

Captain is also a title to small, in reality you are more then just a captain, you are also the owner of the Association so you should have a full control.

The only issue is when captain is stop playing, in this case there should be demoting system even for the captain, if he is inactive for X period of time, then he should go as vice-captain and vice-captain to get promoted as captain, if both are inactive, then 3rd one, probably the person who contribute the most to go as captain and then so on.

This is a very good idea.
10-17-2018
Nebu

Quote:

Originally Posted by khris

LOL

D.I.C.T.A.T.O.R.

Muahahahaha

:rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6DO_7px1I

Lol... the "dictator" himself shows up with a sound track...
10-17-2018
KenoticFC

Khris, I thought you were a good guy:p

Imagine what could happen on some top asso. I want half of the cut or you out lol.
Assos should be for fun, do this people put on their CV that they captain an association on TE lol.
10-19-2018
Blast

What a load of twaddle!
"Captain is dictator" if this was so no one would join him.
You have the freedom of choice: Whether to be in his Association or not.
You are not enslaved, intimidated or pressured to stay in an Association.
You are free to choose which association to belong to...if they will have you.

Should your association become top it will be due to all the members combined not one person.
Should a captain then risk it all by kicking the very managers that got him there then he would be an idiot and any managers who stay with him have only themselves to blame.

This does mesh with the present issue of associations in top 10 who have never played a match....which can only be because they have bought the association. This is against the rules, against the spirit of the game and should be stamped out by voiding the accounts of the perpetrators.

BE THE LIGHT
10-19-2018
Ποσιδονας

It's not so funny as the title sounds.
I guess nik wrote that for emphasis.
I have a friend who played for almost two seasons in a group and then, when they promoted to platinum, he found himself at Sunday morning, out of the group.
He played well, earning points, being present in almost all the games.
The captain fired him without warning and put another team in his place.
Probably a friend of him.
10-19-2018
khris

In one thing I will be agree here, and is that Vice's places should keep their place for sure till monday and the rank should be kept all weekend.

This would ensure that if you play for a asso, winning points, and so, you are not sacked on Sunday to add another team.

We know pretty well that the tokens are added on Monsay for those who are "inside the asso"..... now is a matter of confidance and trust the captain really, I understand that many assos are just made full of people that never played together, or never had any contact before...
10-19-2018
Blast

Quote:

Originally Posted by khris

In one thing I will be agree here, and is that Vice's places should keep their place for sure till monday and the rank should be kept all weekend.

This would ensure that if you play for a asso, winning points, and so, you are not sacked on Sunday to add another team.

We know pretty well that the tokens are added on Monsay for those who are "inside the asso"..... now is a matter of confidance and trust the captain really, I understand that many assos are just made full of people that never played together, or never had any contact before...

To a certain point I agree, however the world is not fair and life is not fair.
But to tweek the suggestion a bit, why not implement the current policy used in this association tournament?
Once a manager has taken part in an association match, he cant be sacked/kicked till new season starts. That way any contribution he has made will be credited to him.
Any new manager joining can not benefit from previous season. (especially if just promoted)

To help matters why aren't Associations starting on ZERO points each season? Then like any league you get points for wins and draws, possible bonus for winning...that way at end of season top ten assocs go up bottom ten assocs go down. League tables would be accurate and 'shoe horning' a mate in just as you get some decent points, would be mitigated.

BE THE LIGHT
10-19-2018
Ποσιδονας

It's Sunday morning, with the new season, not Monday.
I agree that if the prize, the tokens, can be added rights after the results - the fireworks, the captain wouldn't have a motive to fire a good member.
10-19-2018
khris

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blast

To a certain point I agree, however the world is not fair and life is not fair.
But to tweek the suggestion a bit, why not implement the current policy used in this association tournament?
Once a manager has taken part in an association match, he cant be sacked/kicked till new season starts. That way any contribution he has made will be credited to him.
Any new manager joining can not benefit from previous season. (especially if just promoted)

To help matters why aren't Associations starting on ZERO points each season? Then like any league you get points for wins and draws, possible bonus for winning...that way at end of season top ten assocs go up bottom ten assocs go down. League tables would be accurate and 'shoe horning' a mate in just as you get some decent points, would be mitigated.

BE THE LIGHT

Thats why after write this post, I wrote a suggestion;

https://forum.topeleven.com/suggesti...ll-monday.html

So yeah, rank positions should be locked... " members" -as I suggested- ensure the place in the asso till monday, and Vices can't be sacked till day 1 of next season (or in both cases if they leae the group)

About your 2nd point, the FA competition is based on leagues, different divisions, etc You can't start with 0 points cause this would mean don't promote from Bronze 3 as the Associations Feature is designed right now.

Of course could be changed to a;

Start with 0 points, -promotion in each division if 150 points , stay with 90 or so, demote with 0-89.

The problem here is that some assos have 4 members and some 6 so would be unfair.
10-20-2018
Blast

Quote:

Originally Posted by khris

Thats why after write this post, I wrote a suggestion;

https://forum.topeleven.com/suggesti...ll-monday.html

So yeah, rank positions should be locked... " members" -as I suggested- ensure the place in the asso till monday, and Vices can't be sacked till day 1 of next season (or in both cases if they leae the group)

About your 2nd point, the FA competition is based on leagues, different divisions, etc You can't start with 0 points cause this would mean don't promote from Bronze 3 as the Associations Feature is designed right now.

Of course could be changed to a;

Start with 0 points, -promotion in each division if 150 points , stay with 90 or so, demote with 0-89.

The problem here is that some assos have 4 members and some 6 so would be unfair.

Or just promote top ten teams and demote bottom ten teams irrespective of how many managers in association.
As when you win an Association taunament you get the same points regardless of how many teams in association.