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IF you are tired of easy leagues where there is competion against only 2-3 managers beacause the other are ones abbondoned teams or tanking teams:(
IF you are tired of managers that tank and then 1 day decide to use their best 11 to compromise the league results:(
IF you want this tanking finish once and for all:(
THEN VOTE , let Nordeus hear your voice:D
( I'm not the first that talked about this idea, but they ignored it many times so lets VOTE NOW guys )
Relegation you mean the team will demote to a level bellow or just gonna loose -20% q and repeat the level ?
Isn't so easy to apply a -5 (entire 20%) to the players base.... that's why Im more follower of do a straight training closing for non promoted teams, don't allowing to train when players reach the 7* or the 8*... or maybe a specific percent between this...Quote:
Originally Posted by IImaestroII
I really don't belive that this will be done tbh, as some other tactical simulators Ive seen, the count only goes up... and this means that then the promotion would be easy once relegated, and that as the league does the groups using the AvQ...... the only way to do it is like this, with no discount...
This of course will need to think in some changes regarding the FAs... maybe think in some realism, like send us a message saying that, X, Y and Z star players of our team are going to leave....
and at this point to make it work, they can "leave" to a reserve bot team that can be added in hidden way or visual one, in our same team list with spots for players that couldn't be selected if we don't promote.... locking them ¿?.....
This needs developement an a good structure to don't unbalance even more the distances of stars that we actually have with the Fas tankers... cuz we wont ppl tanking with 8* 5-6 seasons to have 13* players, u know what I mean.... but something like I mentioned could be done if +7* are locked till promotion.
Yes i mean thisQuote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
While I agree with the spirit of this, I don't think relegation is the answer. You can't relegate everyone who doesn't move up, because that's unrealistic; some people have to stay at the same level. Which means that you have to set a cutoff, and tankers can easily control their tanking to win just enough to not get relegated.
I think a quality cap is a good idea, where players on teams that do not get promoted are reset to 7* if they are 8 or 9 stars. However, Nordeus will never do this, as it disincentivizes spending tokens on the highest quality players. The idea where a team that finishes in the bottom 2 or 3 loses some of their best players is a good idea, as it implies that those players are seeking out better leagues and better situations, which occurs in real life. I think that should be looked into.
In the end, Nordeus needs to use their data to help eliminate tankers. They should find the standard deviation for every team, and if it's extremely high, it means the team has a wide range of qualities, and is likely tanking. Then they can either a) block the team, b) have it so that the worst players on such teams are automatically sold to agents, or c) calculate their "team quality" for pairings in such a way that the higher-quality players are weighted more. There'll still be exploits (and this wouldn't help with out-of-position or weird formations) but I have to imagine it would help close one loophole.
Well, I don't agree.
Motivation for this permanent tanking is the associations (platinum rewards, no motivation for the other competitions and the top100 list).
With this implement, a group can have 2 weak teams, which every season will loose -1* and after some seasons they will be -5* or -10*.
Those fake accounts with the other strong group mates will make a very low avg q group which will face weak opponents in every asso draw.
Remember, tanking is the way, not the motive.
I understand , but the introduction of a limit imo will be hard to make , if they do something like that probably they will "nerf" actual mutant players and the owners will rage and leave the game. Relegation instead will gradually decrease the attributes of that players and the managers will be forced to play normally.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcohen42
Mutants are a whole other issue. Mutants and tanking are both means that undermine the legitimacy and integrity of the game. If a policy to counteract tanking also gives trouble to mutants, then all the better in my eyes.
Tanking should be limited in some way. The easiest way is league trophy become more valuable (rewards in tokens and greens), but punishing of tankers will be more satisfying for me lol
Agreed,
All teams should loose 20% and also a relegation and promotion like in real football should be there....
Just like in de FA we loose always 20% of our points, so why not for the quality.
We get more competitive games, more fun...
Only let's make the bottom of the quality 20% so nobody can lower than that..
I voted NO. Idea is good but in the dreamland. I bet you dont buy tokens, FA teams do. So they pay wages of nordeus employees, not you. This will never happen. If you want to have fair competition, go to play FM 2019, pretty good game, I like it too :)
I agree in principle. However, 20% is too high. Players invest time and/or money to get to their current level, so such a massive drop would discourage the real players from playing. Keep in mind, tankers only reside in the upper levels of the associations, and there are probably only several hundred (or at most, a couple of thousand) of them. So the punishment should not negatively affect many more genuine players.
That aside, I particularly hate tankers who manipulate league results. Yesterday, my 115% team was beaten by a 144% tanker, who had earlier contrived to lose against my opponents. As a result, I dropped to second in my league. Today, I'm playing against another 137% tanker.
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dissagre with you, played few games where top cashers baned from them because they manipulate game events for taking unfair advantage to other players, that games still exist though, some of them even incresed number of new players, no one wants to be discriminated just because they cant or dont want spend serious money for playing half hour on dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirrowka
I understand you mate, no worries. The thing is since Nordeus made it harder to rise your Q player once it reaches 140% ... 20% is a huge drop... imagine how many greens you need to spend to get a player from 140 to 160% ... and after one season all the effort is gone ? If they go for this option, lots of people will leave the game, simple as that. I was expecting to improve FA feature in some way not to see these top 100 asso teams there... it take all the fun and believe that this game one day will be fair for everyone. Its not and it will never be .... like in real life .... its not fair or is it ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by drazen vtc
Exactly, but nordeus is making the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by po_zdrach
They replaced the reward of 15 tokens for the top scorer with 15 greens - lol
I do not understand what will help removing of top 100 asso teams against tankers. More of them even is not in Platinum and definitely are not in top 100. I think that no more than 10% of tankers are in top 100. My server is full with ****** tankers who even have not association in gold 1 division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirrowka
@Mirrowka
I don't think so, but top100 teams are farming like crazy, to create mutantsQuote:
I bet you dont buy tokens, FA teams do.
and have 30-40-50 or more accounts for tricks.
Which is also useful for nordeus.
10 greens lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας
personaly i dont have anything against cashers, every game depend on them, and there is one slight change that can give small balance, asso points drop after season is too high, if they lower it at least in 10% so you dont need to win 2-3 tournaments just to stay in division, especialy if you manage to enter with few points over the line that will give chance to get serious tokens for improving teams, if 20% drop is too big for relegated tankers than it is even more for those who play and strive to higher division in assoQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirrowka
I don't know but before associations it was very rare to see a good but tanking on purpose team.Quote:
Originally Posted by po_zdrach
For sure those (many of them fake-double) google accounts affect that as at the old days, there were only fb accounts.
Also this bad auctions system.
You could built a whole new squad with 35 tokens and now this is the cost of a 18 y.o. MC or ST :p
I'll replay here my suggestion to try to avoid tanking.
Apply a sort of "relegation clause" to the best players of teams (let's say all players above 120%, or the best five players of the team indipendent from %) that don't promote, and, at the beginning of the new season, the manager can buy them back for tokens (Nordeus prices, so for a 8* player you need to pay thos 1k tokens). I think this would descourage tanking, because it would cost a lot to mantain the team at the same level.
Just giving my suggestion here to eliminate tankers.
What if every team that is fail to promote the league will have their star players (players with quality above 100%) automatically reduced their quality to maximum 100% by system. Imagine personal trainer slider to increase quality but this is the opposite.
I think by having this 100% quality cap (or whatever the number will be) surely will disencouraged tankers since the effort to build mutant team would be a lot harder.
Totally agreed, that Will stop tankingQuote:
Originally Posted by Klenderr
T11 today
Tank, stay at low lvl ,Zero interest for the game and titles( or if you want you can win only cups and cl by destroying low teams), manipulate asso draws, play only weekend and get 100T per season easy.
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I made a thread like this about 3 months back. I think the game would benefit greatly from it. No more rewards to tankers who sit out 2-3 seasons to stock resources and player skills. Sure, they can dominate but it will be in league level 2 lmfao. Also, just like the trophies, relegation should be pinned on the manager for the season.
Despite that this, initially it's way too complex to be done -is too much hard a -20% for all as the %s system works with the same old system, linked with the base skill system that divides each star in 5 points-, maybe, what can be implemented is a reduction of level of market available....
so no promotion = market with 2*, 3* and 4* max.
I'll open a suggestion post.
Relegation should only be a feature if there is a standard top league to reach, kinda like associations. Since there is no top league to aspire to relegation is useless. Winning CL on level 5 has the same value as a level 40 Cl. Plus like khris said it is complicated and it will open the door to many unforeseen bugs.
Tanking is like the knife. You can cut the bread or you can kill someone (copied from nikolgiorgos [emoji23]) . I think that they should remove top11 FA list.that's all
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In this logic for dandruff best decision is decapitation, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by milpol
Association is not reason for tanking. Tanking exist many years before association tournaments and made me crazy lol
I agree, but there is more elegant way to resolve the problem. Just make League title most valuable of the gameQuote:
Originally Posted by KenoticFC
To discourage tanking
1. Rewards of tokens for top 4 of league ( comparable to top100 association)
2. Rewards of rest for All promoted teams
3. Ban upselling
4. Forced retirement of 7* and above players - just like the national team event
5. Limit the number of time for tanking - e.g. once in 6 seasons
6. Limit the number of rests receive or no rests at all for tanking teams
7. 10% less in quality for those that stay in the same level
8. Purchase of players limit to scout players and/or the daily recommended players
One question
How does one differentiate a mutant player thru friendlies and tanking from those that are thru intense training and thru the personal trainer option ( the token buyers type)
Cheers
you have really good ideas,i guess for your question the system would find a way of handling it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chai
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Relegation is not possible because will kill the the high levels. Would be almost impossible to promote at high levels if relegation would be introduced.
Y that can be a problemQuote:
Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin
1-4 promoted and qualified to champions league
5-8 promoted and qualified to super league
9-11 stays in the same level and loses 10% quality
12-14 gets demoted without losing quality (if they get promoted back, they will lose 20% again)
I can guarantee you that no active managers will be placed between 9 and 14, only dead teams. Unless until the game is clean and higher level leagues are full of active managers.
Another good idea, that someone mentioned above, would be to increase the league rewards by giving some tokens and rests (nothing crazy, but decent and fixed -that doesn't increase at higher levels- amounts)
Yeah, upper levels will see semi-active managers place 9-11 or so. The game is really a lot different at higher levels than in the beginning, and Nordeus really should tailor the game experience differently for both, but they insist on not doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagloriosa
And yeah, cash rewards are not going to motivate managers. Teams end up basically being giant cash generators, and you can't buy anything with just cash, so tournaments that you can win tokens in are prioritized. If there was a pack prize with boosters and tokens, you'd see a different situation. Maybe if you could exchange cash for boosters or tokens, it would be different.
