When will it stop ?

Hello,

I come here to talk about my experience in this game but mostly to ask you and the developers what's going on right now with the game engine ?

To put things in context, I'm level 27 and i play this game for 28 seasons (I will explain why the -1). I'm not only a weekend player, i spend about 2 hours a day playing. In EVERY morning and before EVERY match, I prepare my team for a 10% bonus and maximum of moral and stamina. I'm online at EVERY match, I have LEGAL and BALANCED formation, I always train hard and MANUALLY my players with green packs, I ONLY buy 2 or 3 players FROM THE MARKET and sometimes 1 from recommended player when my players get old (more than 23). To conclude, I do things as well as possible since 2 years now.

In the beginning, things were going well. I won a lot of titles and I managed to keep my team at 120 quality and you can see with the next screenshot, i won many titles and at least 1 per season which is ok for me.

Then when i reach the 16-17 level, things have become much harder, not because i was weaker than the other, but because I started to be EACH EVERY SEASON with a guy who just buy 11 prospected players almost all seasons. I think he only used his green pack to push on the maximum one recommended player sometimes but that's all. I was always better than him with a better quality average but i ALMOST NEVER beat him in 10 seasons. Maybe because he spend a lot of real money to get tokens and buy all this prospected player ? But surely not because he was better. I did everything I can to beat him, same formation with always better quality, perfect counter formation, ultra defensive/offensive formation, different setups, i try all the possible combinations... Useless.

Then I decided to stay voluntarily in the same league for one season to leave him playe alone. I used this "fake" season to push all my young players at a very good quality average, about 150-160 and now I managed to stay with a 135-140 quality team EACH season, without any tokens, only with good management of my team, training and green packs.
But since that time, my results are just a joke. I'm ALWAYS the best of my league (with quality average) but in 3 seasons, I only win one title and this was only the Cup and the WORST started this season. Lets see for a recent example with a league match today again poor quality team :

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As you can see, I'm far better than him with 30% better quality, i was ONLINE and not him, i played with a BALANCED formation and he plays with a weird AML AMC ST in front, and what happened ? Just look at that, this is funny :

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What can we say ? How to explain it ? Well... This is just impossible. Not online. Early red card. **** statistics and ohhh, HE WON ! Ahahah.

BUT the funniest thing is I have the same problems with him since the star of season.

Lets see an other example (among SO MANY others) with a different player :

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Again, what can we say ? Nothing. Nobody can explain that. BUT the FUNNIEST THING is after that 1st leg I was so upset that i made 3 stupid changes and put ALL MY PLAYERS on one side of the filled and oh, GUESS WHAT ? He didn't score more goals. So, Nordeus just telling me that nothing change between the moment i play with legal formation and the moment i play with TOTALLY illegal ans stupid formation.

I'm sorry but this is full of ****. I can give you dozens more examples but the result is the same. This game engine, and maybe this game in general is totally ****ed up.

So now, tell me, WHAT DO I DO WRONG ? I just CAN'T do more. The ONLY thing I don't do, never done it and never would, is to paid real money on the game. Maybe this is the reason ? Because I don't see any other. I'm really working hard for this game, I've all this tokens just with buying-train-reasale young players for tokens this make me a lot of times, I train my team every day, I've always 10% bonus, I'm always there, my guys are always at their best form... SO WHAT ?

I'm fighting at this moment to stay at the top 4 of my league with -20% quality teams in front of me while according to the game I'm supposed to be "VERY FAVORITE" -> I never won against them this season yet.

If someone know something, just tell me. Because I don't understand anything. I won more titles by being less strong than today and against the same king of opponent. This is just crazy...

Unfortunately this is all too common in the game these days. I have started to not log in for games and I'm actually winning more than losing. I prefer when the other manager watches because then I feel there is less chance of getting trolled.
We have seen many examples like yours especially since the 2019 update. Previously it would happen maybe once per season but now it seems to be more common than ever.
I dread playing teams with -20, -30 etc because the stats always show the oppo GK becomes Buffon, the oppo usually has a player sent off, you usually concede in the first 5 minutes, your star player cannot hit a barn door and every FK goes wide. You see crazy stats with shots on target etc.
Yep, we've all experienced this. It has been pushed to the Devs.

Thanks for your answer. Crazy (not just only troll) results like that happens indeed much more often.
But, can you tell me for sure that it has nothing to do with the fact of paying or not in the game ? I don't think so, because it's linked. And it's easily provable : someone who just buy prospected player (with tokens he bought with real money) is just unbeatable, no matter how good and better you are and no matter what you do.

Yeah, mate, unfortunately recenty this game became a crap. I already wrote dozens of times here showing some crazy trolling examples. And unfortunately the stats really changed a lot from autumn - previously we had 1-2 troll results and now 7-8 and devs actually do nothing to improve it.

Well I really propose to rename the game from top11 to TROLL11 as it better shows the current state of the game.

I can say that the game decides before the match starts who will be the winner. It's 99% .

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+1 for Troll11

I think developers don't say anything because everything is already know. They want to make money with their game (which is fair), but they have to say it loud and clear. They can make premium option or whatever but WE MUST KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. Instead they make lose the big teams that get to be strong without paying to make them pay, that's all. And THAT is unfair because some players spend big time on this game for nothing because they don't want to pay.

I'm having the same problem. From last season where I ended in 2nd in all competitions, I'm now 13rd in my league where only 3 teams are better than mine. I watch all my games (and I really mean ALL games) and already played so many games against weaker teams with no manager watching and I can't win (yesterday I lost at home agaisnt a weaker team that had a player sent off at 35' - they managed to score after the sent off!). I tried all possible tactics and it is useless...

And the winner word is.... "rollback". :o

Don't read this, I go on my own. lol

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Originally Posted by Joe67

Thanks for your answer. Crazy (not just only troll) results like that happens indeed much more often.
But, can you tell me for sure that it has nothing to do with the fact of paying or not in the game ? I don't think so, because it's linked. And it's easily provable : someone who just buy prospected player (with tokens he bought with real money) is just unbeatable, no matter how good and better you are and no matter what you do.

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Hi Joe
I am one of those tokens buyer
Had my fair share of troll results as well
Last season and this season- my team out of the cup competitions.
For me - no expectations = no frustrations
I had tried some bizarre ways to fool the game engine
Currently my method is to avoid difference in quality percentages in even numbers
E.g.- my team quality is 120%. If my opponents are even numbers difference ( 2, 4, 6, 8 etc) - I will try to lower my quality down or up to odd numbers. This has worked for me so far.
To test my theory - play friendlies matches with lower quality teams in even numbers - all lost. In odd numbers - on winning streak
Really bizarre right?😁🤣

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Originally Posted by dave1311

Unfortunately this is all too common in the game these days. I have started to not log in for games and I'm actually winning more than losing. I prefer when the other manager watches because then I feel there is less chance of getting trolled.
We have seen many examples like yours especially since the 2019 update. Previously it would happen maybe once per season but now it seems to be more common than ever.
I dread playing teams with -20, -30 etc because the stats always show the oppo GK becomes Buffon, the oppo usually has a player sent off, you usually concede in the first 5 minutes, your star player cannot hit a barn door and every FK goes wide. You see crazy stats with shots on target etc.
Yep, we've all experienced this. It has been pushed to the Devs.

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yes, we've all experienced crap like this. but you know something is wrong when you lose 1-2, oppo scores 2 goals from 3 shots, and my ratings are straight 8. even his scorers were rated 7. i mean, wtf dude??? nothing makes sense anymore. how can i lose 2-1 and all my defenders are rated 8? and his entire team only 5 and 6. he won ffs! this game is screwed up beyond repairing. i don't think something good is going to happen very soon. we just have to sit and watch our teams struggle with any single team we play against.

yeah i agree its so frustrating, i did take a break from game for a year or so because of results like above, that and the teams that where in my league all seemed to have players that stayed at 9 or more stars not matter i just could never beat them at all,The results with oppos having players sent off has always happened i dread it as soon as i see it happen cos i know the result will mean a loss.

Oh dear my team just got beaten by another team who wasnt quite as good as mine based on stats so therefore the game must be corrupt ,the game engine is broken , the game is trolling me...................blah blah blah etc etc etc and several other things as well.
Really , its a game of chance and all you do by investing time and money into your team is to put the odds slightly in your favour over your opponent but even with that slight advantage sometimes you are still going to lose anyway because of the chance factor. The chance factor is bigger than anything else in this game and that is a fact for all such games as this one , its how it works. Sometimes you lose , so what , move on ,stop bitching and finding conspiracies because all this really shows is how little you actually understand the workings of a game such as this.
Some seem to think that just because their teams numbers are bigger then they should automatically win every game , a team not as good has no right to win. What a load of crock ,how boring would that be ? I know I wouldnt play a game where I knew I was guaranteed to win , what is the point of that ?

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Originally Posted by Kelpie Grant

Oh dear my team just got beaten by another team who wasnt quite as good as mine based on stats so therefore the game must be corrupt ,the game engine is broken , the game is trolling me...................blah blah blah etc etc etc and several other things as well.
Really , its a game of chance and all you do by investing time and money into your team is to put the odds slightly in your favour over your opponent but even with that slight advantage sometimes you are still going to lose anyway because of the chance factor. The chance factor is bigger than anything else in this game and that is a fact for all such games as this one , its how it works. Sometimes you lose , so what , move on ,stop bitching and finding conspiracies because all this really shows is how little you actually understand the workings of a game such as this.
Some seem to think that just because their teams numbers are bigger then they should automatically win every game , a team not as good has no right to win. What a load of crock ,how boring would that be ? I know I wouldnt play a game where I knew I was guaranteed to win , what is the point of that ?

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AAHAHAH, funniest comment ever.
You just have to play more than one stupid season on this game to see how many bull**** there are in this game. So wait a little bit more before coming like that laughing at others players who have been playing for a long team because you clearly don't now **** about this game.

+ your arguments are really stupid, sorry mate but its supposed to be a "SIMULATED FOOTBALL GAME" so even if is just a game, it's meant to get closer to the rules of reality and reality is not losing with a 140 quality team against a poor 40% lower team 4 or 5 times per seasons. It might be a game, but there are limits of bull**** results and its just make sense or else training will be useless, tokens will be useless, green pack will be useless and everything else that serve to advance our team and our players will be useless at some point.

So as I said, continue to play this game and you will see that in few months you will be there to complain about the same things everyones complained ;)

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Originally Posted by Joe67

AAHAHAH, funniest comment ever.
You just have to play more than one stupid season on this game to see how many bull**** there are in this game. So wait a little bit more before coming like that laughing at others players who have been playing for a long team because you clearly don't now **** about this game.

+ your arguments are really stupid, sorry mate but its supposed to be a "SIMULATED FOOTBALL GAME" so even if is just a game, it's meant to get closer to the rules of reality and reality is not losing with a 140 quality team against a poor 40% lower team 4 or 5 times per seasons. It might be a game, but there are limits of bull**** results and its just make sense or else training will be useless, tokens will be useless, green pack will be useless and everything else that serve to advance our team and our players will be useless at some point.

So as I said, continue to play this game and you will see that in few months you will be there to complain about the same things everyones complained ;)

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I have played for over 2 years and the same clowns say the same thing every time they get beaten by a team they consider inferior. Its a game of rng mate , I know it so I expect every now and then my team will role a low number and an inferior team will role a slightly higher number and beat me, thats the chance factor. Live with it , I do , I dont complain when it happens and it happens every now and then, not all the time. I just had an Asso game with my level 20 team , my team 107% and opponent only 84%. Despite dominating every stat in the game and changing tactics at one point I still only managed a 1-0 win with a late-ish 82nd minute goal. First leg was a 2-2 draw. My take on it is his team rolled maximum value and mine only about 75% or even less , again that is the chance factor. Does it piss me off when it happens , hell yeah but you just got to accept it in any rng type game.
As for supposedly being close to the rules of reality , its a game that doesnt even have the correct offside law in operation. Thats not to mention that almost none of the parameters in this game resemble reality in any way ,shape or form. Why ? because its a game of chance via rng. Training and the rest just give you a higher chance of rolling a higher number and are no guarantee of a win , again its a game of chance.
Joe67 , I wont lower myself to your level by throwing personal abuse at you , that is your domain and your welcome to it but next time you say someone is stupid you might do well to remember to read and comprehend the written word first , you obviously didnt on this occasion and made assumptions about me and my time in this game that were plainly wrong. Have a nice day now ok.

I'm not english mate sorry. But what you say about asso is not so bad. First because asso games is completly another part of the game and btw, loosing against just 23% is still ok and can happen, i'm ok with that. What I means is loosing MULTIPLE times against -30 or even almost -40 quality. THIS is just bull**** and you can't tell me this is not

Joe :) Buddy, get over it. It's called RNG ( RNGessus ). It's in every modern game nowdays :)
A damn dice, if you like it :)

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Originally Posted by Joe67

I'm not english mate sorry. But what you say about asso is not so bad. First because asso games is completly another part of the game and btw, loosing against just 23% is still ok and can happen, i'm ok with that. What I means is loosing MULTIPLE times against -30 or even almost -40 quality. THIS is just bull**** and you can't tell me this is not

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I am not English either , dont ever call me that again , worst thing you can say to an Australian is to call him English , or maybe a New Zealander .............no being called English is definitely worse :D
If I was losing repeatedly against teams a fair bit inferior to mine then I would be questioning what I am doing with my team , tactically , formation wise , training ....everything to be honest. It only happens to me on a level I would call acceptable to a game based on random number generation so I am not that worried about it , it happens ,move on. Here are the season stats for both my Level 20 team and my Level 2 team , maybe I am lucky this season or maybe I have done just enough to put the odds just enough in my favour so far.
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Really when will it stop.
Seriously they need to stop protecting managers who are not active or not attending matches... how to explain this after I hammered him 3 times this season?
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