New result algorithm or what ?

My level 50 team was knocked out from CL by goal difference : won 3-2 on his land and lost 4-3 on home land .......... yea.against 30 % weaker team :D

All my players are between 6 and 7 stars between 18-21 years old while his players are either 4 or 5 stars maximum and without high white skills and players experience between 10-50 games max but the absent manager in both matches managed to score 6 goals against me in two matches ??

To make things worse after few hours I got a draw in league against 35% weaker team 1-1 :D

Where should I unleash my anger :D

Unleash your anger at yourself for not keeping up with the changing landscape. Players that are more balanced with white and gray skills are now coming to the fore. White skills are still higher than gray but the days of mutant like numbers (white 240/gray 10) are all but over. A ratio of 2/1 or 5/2 even 3/1 seems to be the way to do it now from what I can see.

rubbish Kelpie its all just complete tosh and crap sorry, IF YOU'VE PLAYED GAME LONG ENOUGH YOU WOULD KNOW ITS ALL TO DO WITH NORDECRAP GETTING YOU TO SPEND REAL MONEY TO IMPROVE TEAM

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rubbish Kelpie its all just complete tosh and crap sorry, IF YOU'VE PLAYED GAME LONG ENOUGH YOU WOULD KNOW ITS ALL TO DO WITH NORDECRAP GETTING YOU TO SPEND REAL MONEY TO IMPROVE TEAM

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Just over 3 years playing time so I reckon that is a fair sample. What you say is just too easy to say ,blame others for your own deficiencies. Some of you older players didnt learn anything about the game really ,you just piggybacked other peoples ideas and theories that you read in the forum pages and now the game is changing you cant keep up because no one is writing what they discovered in the forums anymore. I dont spend a cent on this game , just some time to notice and discover things. There a lot of "troll" results reported these days , some are exactly that while most reflect the change in the game. When you really look at your opponents players after what you consider a troll result you may discover that what I say is reasonably true on more occasions than you suspect. The mutant style player is now becoming obsolete by more balanced players. I noticed this last season and have trained my players accordingly and so my 2 teams are nowAttachment 121683Attachment 121685
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Agree with Kelpie. We have to adapt or get left behind. Its very clear especially with what i have seen this season. ALL teams that have very low greys despite having higher average qualities are getting knocked out of competitions and trolled more often in league. Whites are still more critical but you cant let your greys fall too low. Anyway its easier to train now, more options since we are training holistically.

adapt to what exactly,to train the players as nordeuseless say do this do that and oh yes we have a new bonus scheme to fool you with, but you lose whatever you do before,during and after and Kelpie don't show where you teams are in league who cares, your not showing the playing % level of other teams so people cannot truly judge your league oppos

Kelpie, I am not sure what it is that you have against "older" players because you like to keep pointing out in your posts that those players have an issue. The fact is that everyone is seeing things in the game they don't like, not just the "oldies".
Yes the game has evolved in many good ways and we embrace those changes but also some things do not make sense or have been introduced as a financial move for Nordeus. It is a business at the end of the day. Some are better at 'playing' the system than others.
At the end of the day you just have to roll with it.

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Kelpie, I am not sure what it is that you have against "older" players because you like to keep pointing out in your posts that those players have an issue. The fact is that everyone is seeing things in the game they don't like, not just the "oldies".
Yes the game has evolved in many good ways and we embrace those changes but also some things do not make sense or have been introduced as a financial move for Nordeus. It is a business at the end of the day. Some are better at 'playing' the system than others.
At the end of the day you just have to roll with it.

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I dont have an issue with the older ,veteran players per se. There are a fair few that I have learnt from and still continue to learn from. These are most likely the guys who put in the hard yards over the years making discoveries about the game which they wrote down for the benefit of all and I thank them for this. Certainly older players dont have a monopoly on the whining although I notice a decent proportion of the whining coming from the same older players and less so from newer players. However there are a lot of older players who did not contribute but rather lived off the work of others and now whine like old women because the game has changed and they dont have the common required to make the adaptions themselves ,these I have no time for. These are the ones who claim anytime their team of mutations get beaten that they have been trolled by the game,sometimes its true but more often than you might think not true. The balance of the game in regards players has shifted and in my book for the better. Last season I copped a few "troll" results but I investigated them rather than just whine about them ,got pro active if you like and started to change my training regime so now both teams sit easily on top of their Leagues ,both are still active in the Cup and CL. Both teams have the top and 2nd top scorer while also two players in top rating and assists for their Leagues.

Now for sure there have been changes over the last year or so that I dislike eg removing the goalkeeper training system , 24 hour video timer ,negotiations situation and the Asso auto team support just to name a few. I have been around long enough to realize that whining constantly in the forum about these things isn't going to get you anywhere with Nordeus. When possible you have to offer the devs an idea which is beneficial to both player and Nordeus ,its a hard balance but I live in hope. I also understand and get the frustration concerning changes that are so obviously aimed at revenue raising or are a nonsense but again adapt and overcome or limit the damage they do to you as a player is my way rather than whine in the forum. Yeah sometimes I do have a quiet whine but its not often and rarely if ever repeated on the same subject ,what's the point as it doesn't achieve a desired result.

Fair comment. I cannot argue with that.
I would only say that the newer players complain less as they do not know different.

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adapt to what exactly,to train the players as nordeuseless say do this do that and oh yes we have a new bonus scheme to fool you with, but you lose whatever you do before,during and after and Kelpie don't show where you teams are in league who cares, your not showing the playing % level of other teams so people cannot truly judge your league oppos

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I was talking about grey skills being too Low causing us to get trolled more often? By adapting, I meant we have to train greys as well. What I said has nothing to do with bonuses but if we have to talk about it. I am training it. I do not know if it works or not but I still do it. I do not wanna risk it especially at this point in the season.

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My level 50 team was knocked out from CL by goal difference : won 3-2 on his land and lost 4-3 on home land .......... yea.against 30 % weaker team :D

All my players are between 6 and 7 stars between 18-21 years old while his players are either 4 or 5 stars maximum and without high white skills and players experience between 10-50 games max but the absent manager in both matches managed to score 6 goals against me in two matches ??

To make things worse after few hours I got a draw in league against 35% weaker team 1-1 :D

Where should I unleash my anger :D

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Today I received a gentle reply ... perhaps it's an auto generated reply because they were wishing me good luck in the return match :D



"we're sorry to hear that you're dissatisfied after this result. Please be aware that the overall rating is not everything. the fact that you had a higher overall rating doesn't result automatically a win. As well , for a weaker team, underdog in a game , there are many , many to overcome adversity and win against the odds using smart strategies, effective analysis of the opponent and other important stuff.

we know that losing is never as fun as winning, but it's part of the game and you have to embrace it ! The important thing is not to never lose, its to deal with the losses you take in a proper manner. Getting way to frustrated usually leads to losing focus and not taking the right decisions due to unnecessary anger.

Our suggestion is to focus on the next game and do your best to get back on the winning road. Good idea is also to analyze your defeat and thing of that what has gone wrong and what can you do better if there is a rematch.


is there anything else that we can assist you with, maybe some cool formations that we can share with you ? :) we remain at your disposal.

Have an awesome day

Best Regards

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Originally Posted by Palestine

Today I received a gentle reply ... perhaps it's an auto generated reply because they were wishing me good luck in the return match :D



"we're sorry to hear that you're dissatisfied after this result. Please be aware that the overall rating is not everything. the fact that you had a higher overall rating doesn't result automatically a win. As well , for a weaker team, underdog in a game , there are many , many to overcome adversity and win against the odds using smart strategies, effective analysis of the opponent and other important stuff.

we know that losing is never as fun as winning, but it's part of the game and you have to embrace it ! The important thing is not to never lose, its to deal with the losses you take in a proper manner. Getting way to frustrated usually leads to losing focus and not taking the right decisions due to unnecessary anger.

Our suggestion is to focus on the next game and do your best to get back on the winning road. Good idea is also to analyze your defeat and thing of that what has gone wrong and what can you do better if there is a rematch.


is there anything else that we can assist you with, maybe some cool formations that we can share with you ? :) we remain at your disposal.

Have an awesome day

Best Regards

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You got a reply?!? I have not got any response from them in 3 days for an incorrect goal tally for both scored and against. But I do wonder what cool formations they would suggest. Nice of them to wish you luck too

Maybe the automated response machine didn't reach your complaint yet due to millions of other complaints that have been sent to Nordeus recently ?????

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Maybe the automated response machine didn't reach your complaint yet due to millions of other complaints that have been sent to Nordeus recently ?????

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But it seems like they already fixed the associations bugs and the wins turning into losses bugs. I mean how many more bugs are there? Anyway Saucy responded in forum to my recent whine.

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As well , for a weaker team, underdog in a game , there are many , many to overcome adversity and win against the odds using smart strategies, effective analysis of the opponent and other important stuff.

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Um, smart strategies and effective analysis? Your opponent didn't watch the matches.

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Originally Posted by Palestine

Today I received a gentle reply ... perhaps it's an auto generated reply because they were wishing me good luck in the return match :D



"we're sorry to hear that you're dissatisfied after this result. Please be aware that the overall rating is not everything. the fact that you had a higher overall rating doesn't result automatically a win. As well , for a weaker team, underdog in a game , there are many , many to overcome adversity and win against the odds using smart strategies, effective analysis of the opponent and other important stuff.

we know that losing is never as fun as winning, but it's part of the game and you have to embrace it ! The important thing is not to never lose, its to deal with the losses you take in a proper manner. Getting way to frustrated usually leads to losing focus and not taking the right decisions due to unnecessary anger.

Our suggestion is to focus on the next game and do your best to get back on the winning road. Good idea is also to analyze your defeat and thing of that what has gone wrong and what can you do better if there is a rematch.


is there anything else that we can assist you with, maybe some cool formations that we can share with you ? :) we remain at your disposal.

Have an awesome day

Best Regards

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Not sure this is a legit reply to be honest ,doesnt look right to me when I remember the responses I have received from Nordeus. Not accusing anyone , just saying it doesnt look right to me.

Hello there,
After reading the conversation here, I just wanted to give you guys my 2 cents in this matter.

Iam a new player in this game (level 8) and Iam not happy at all with the changes that Nordeus has made during the time that I have played this game. Particularly with the new bonus system.

So how about this season then? I have almost a full mutant team. Just few players missing. Iam on the top of my league table with a clear lead. How ever Ive had few defeats this season that I cannot explain with common sense and I also had a draw against 45% weaker team. But I think that Ive had these kind of losses, at least one, in every season Ive played this game. So the amount of these troll games have raised, but In my opinion theyre nothing new.

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You got a reply?!? I have not got any response from them in 3 days for an incorrect goal tally for both scored and against. But I do wonder what cool formations they would suggest. Nice of them to wish you luck too

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Yeah, if managers sending reports about troll results to support, when they 'll have the time to work for the game issues and bugs :rolleyes:

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Yeah, if managers sending reports about troll results to support, when they 'll have the time to work for the game issues and bugs :rolleyes:

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I got a reply in six days cause missing tokens.

Lähetetty minun COR-L29 laitteesta Tapatalkilla

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Originally Posted by Palestine

Today I received a gentle reply ... perhaps it's an auto generated reply because they were wishing me good luck in the return match :D



"we're sorry to hear that you're dissatisfied after this result. Please be aware that the overall rating is not everything. the fact that you had a higher overall rating doesn't result automatically a win. As well , for a weaker team, underdog in a game , there are many , many to overcome adversity and win against the odds using smart strategies, effective analysis of the opponent and other important stuff.

we know that losing is never as fun as winning, but it's part of the game and you have to embrace it ! The important thing is not to never lose, its to deal with the losses you take in a proper manner. Getting way to frustrated usually leads to losing focus and not taking the right decisions due to unnecessary anger.

Our suggestion is to focus on the next game and do your best to get back on the winning road. Good idea is also to analyze your defeat and thing of that what has gone wrong and what can you do better if there is a rematch.


is there anything else that we can assist you with, maybe some cool formations that we can share with you ? :) we remain at your disposal.

Have an awesome day

Best Regards

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lol funny, today i lost UCL match and AM said i need to sign new player so maybe i could win.. lol, so overall doesnt matter ?

So is it because of this new system with grey skills suddenly mattering the reason why my club legend kind of died for this season? Normally trained from 18yo, now 26, has grey skills from 2-20%. He has still made 36 goals this season in all comperitions, but that's like half what he used to do. And of course, rest of the team is also trained the same way, so.. They should send you some kind of private message for that kind of changes that require you to change the whole style of play.

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lol funny, today i lost UCL match and AM said i need to sign new player so maybe i could win.. lol, so overall doesnt matter ?

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think u got trolled. its the same as you being better and AM says they were favourites. Engine already gave him a boost

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So is it because of this new system with grey skills suddenly mattering the reason why my club legend kind of died for this season? Normally trained from 18yo, now 26, has grey skills from 2-20%. He has still made 36 goals this season in all comperitions, but that's like half what he used to do. And of course, rest of the team is also trained the same way, so.. They should send you some kind of private message for that kind of changes that require you to change the whole style of play.

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Yeah we all suspect its like that. and trolling seems to hit low grey teams more often. don't know if it's a coincidence

Nordeus destroyed training system and game engine because they can't stop in other way tankers, cheaters and manipulators. Now we can't train properly our players, can't use tactical knowledge in matches and there isn't diferent between good and missing (or stupid) managers.

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Yeah we all suspect its like that. and trolling seems to hit low grey teams more often. don't know if it's a coincidence

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That meaning we have to find a good balance which amount of grey you need :) Or what is the "gap amount" is ideal between grey and white :)

I lost a league match to a weaker team (between 10 and 15%) and AM said they were favorite. It was bizarre. My team led 2-1 when I were absent, I logged in at 80' and they scored at 85' and 90', I even did not see the their last score. Their manager was absent.

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So is it because of this new system with grey skills suddenly mattering the reason why my club legend kind of died for this season? Normally trained from 18yo, now 26, has grey skills from 2-20%. He has still made 36 goals this season in all comperitions, but that's like half what he used to do. And of course, rest of the team is also trained the same way, so.. They should send you some kind of private message for that kind of changes that require you to change the whole style of play.

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Well, im not really believe it, why? Ok. Im a person who always check my opponent standing, league and all, then i see one of my opponent, he have many mutant and still manage to win treble.

And my not so mutant (because my players not have 1%, just low grey skills) perform well than my normal players. Well lets see for next season, maybe all these update fck something and need some time

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I lost a league match to a weaker team (between 10 and 15%) and AM said they were favorite. It was bizarre. My team led 2-1 when I were absent, I logged in at 80' and they scored at 85' and 90', I even did not see the their last score. Their manager was absent.

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My philosophy now, do not watch games against much weaker teams. I logged in at the 55th minute in one game, I was 3-0 up. Suddenly I'm besieged and I escaped with a 4-2 win after sweating at 3-2 and I got a 90th minute 4th. Now I don't log in.
I'm 8pts clear at the top with 3 games left.