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Originally Posted by Sillybq

Yes I believe I did misunderstand you. I knew you wanted to quit and when you suggested mass stop. I had the impression the guy who wants to quit wants to sabotage the game. And yes, your reply was to Dave. But it doesn’t mean I cannot try to make you see it from a different perspective.

We all ultimately will meet one day through associations or just by leveling up. That’s if I do not die first since it will take me years. Also I have no idea which server you are in, if by some rare chance we are in the same server. You might compete for the same player in auctions. Events like KOTH as well. More players quitting benefit the rest who play on as there are more abandoned teams.

I have nothing against you personally and I do not dislike you either. I might have been insensitive in trying to get you to see that not every player is as smart as you. Some will buy those whatever players you think are a waste of resources. And that you should allow Nordeus to take advantage of these players so we all can continue to enjoy our free to win game.

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Well put that aside. I can see what is the problem for your case. You thought that my intention was bad and that I wanted to sabotage the company given that I plan to quit the game - sort of egoistic and malicious action, but no, I want affected users to send this company a strong message because feedback, complaints and discussions on the forum, for example, did not change anything as such. This can be done in a few ways like I already told - stop supporting them, a petition and so on. If I wanted to sabotage the company, why would I be here wasting my time writing posts about different things on this forum? Why would I be wasting my time replying to you? I mean I could be posting on the big social websites in areas where many users of this game are, showing them the bad sides of this company and their game and even add some spice and so on so that many users will likely get influenced.

But before closing on this thing, I must say that you said some strong things clearly on intention (even in the post before the one quoted above) there in regard to me and also made some disturbing insinuations. The user that liked those posts that were mostly like a personal attack only revealed further about him - no excuse. But all good for me as instead of bothering to try change things for the better here, I will stop. It is not my loss. So from now I am not going to post and contribute anything on this forum to try improve things for users. I do not even feel that I should be addressing myself to some people here again.

@Tactician lol, you are the last person I wrote to before sleeping and the first person I am replying to when I wake up. Ok besides the point.

I am disappointed too in this YA and how the token back was handled. And I think it is going to be worse when it goes live. I suspect high costs in tokens. If you are this angry now, I want to see your reaction next week.

Frankly what can we do except manage our expectations. I have never experienced a game developer cave in to consumer demands. Even less successful games never bothered about complains.

Like you said I am new and a debutant and say silly things. But has Nordeus ever given in? I assume negotiations would have created the worse reaction historically and many players quit. Still no change right? I do not think a petition will work as well.

Gents, some good discussion and I agree with many points there but let’s be clear that my original post about waiting for TE2021/2022 was purely tongue-in-cheek because I too have seen the big announcements by Nordeus that have then been criticised as not really all that by the community. Then as was rightly pointed out, people then look forward to the next big update.
I feel that Nordeus needs to address many of the issues that are frequently problematic for Managers such as bugs and crazy offers like Black Friday but yet they power on with more updates and more elaborate tours and ideas.
The game needs stripping back with an emphasis on Manager control in all aspects, training being one. For me, this new Academy is something I have been asking for over many months. Was it misleading in the build up? Maybe, maybe not. I’ll reserve judgement till it appears fully.
Now I would like Nordeus to deal with tanking, manipulation issues in Associations and the Top100.

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Originally Posted by Tactician

Well put that aside. I can see what is the problem for your case. You misunderstood and maybe you thought that my intention was bad and that I wanted to sabotage the company given that I plan to quit the game - sort of egoistic and malicious action, but no, I want affected users to send this company a strong message because feedback, complaints and discussions on the forum, for example, did not change anything as such. This can be done in a few ways like I already told - stop supporting them, a petition and so on. If I wanted to sabotage the company, why would I be here wasting my time writing posts about different things on this forum? Why would I be wasting my time replying to you? I mean I could be posting on the big social websites in areas where many users of this game are, showing them the bad sides of this company and their game and even add some spice and so on so that many users will likely get influenced.

But before closing on this thing, I must say that you said some strong things (even in the post before the one quoted above) there in regard to me and also made some disturbing insinuations. The user(s) that liked only revealed further about them. But all good for me as instead of bothering to try change things for the better here, I will stop. So from now I am not going to post and contribute anything on this forum to try improve things for users. I do not even feel that I should be addressing myself to some people here again.

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I am not sure what I said that affects you that much but believe me, I have no malicious intent. I disagreed with you on some points that's all. I also tried to put myself in the place of the developer. We like this game in general and want it to succeed as well. I am happy as long as they do what's best for the majority.

Certain things they did for bottom line profits and I respect that as long as they are able to support the non pay to win formula.

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Originally Posted by dave1311

Gents, some good discussion and I agree with many points there but let’s be clear that my original post about waiting for TE2021/2022 was purely tongue-in-cheek because I too have seen the big announcements by Nordeus that have then been criticised as not really all that by the community. Then as was rightly pointed out, people then look forward to the next big update.
I feel that Nordeus needs to address many of the issues that are frequently problematic for Managers such as bugs and crazy offers like Black Friday but yet they power on with more updates and more elaborate tours and ideas.
The game needs stripping back with an emphasis on Manager control in all aspects, training being one. For me, this new Academy is something I have been asking for over many months. Was it misleading in the build up? Maybe, maybe not. I’ll reserve judgement till it appears fully.
Now I would like Nordeus to deal with tanking, manipulation issues in Associations and the Top100.

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Do not worry for my case, and also you will probably understand what I meant with my message better after having read through thoroughly. ;)

i just saw on instagram that everyone is wanting live 3d matches

Looking forward to this new YA 'improvement'.
Bringing through your own players should have always been a bigger part of this game, just seems something that's been so underdeveloped over the years.
I remember way back when I was building the YA looking forward to when it was all maxed out, little realising that once that happened that was about it!!!! :D

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Originally Posted by Sillybq

@Tactician lol, you are the last person I wrote to before sleeping and the first person I am replying to when I wake up. Ok besides the point.

I am disappointed too in this YA and how the token back was handled. And I think it is going to be worse when it goes live. I suspect high costs in tokens. If you are this angry now, I want to see your reaction next week.

Frankly what can we do except manage our expectations. I have never experienced a game developer cave in to consumer demands. Even less successful games never bothered about complains.

Like you said I am new and a debutant and say silly things. But has Nordeus ever given in? I assume negotiations would have created the worse reaction historically and many players quit. Still no change right? I do not think a petition will work as well.

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The thing is two users, you and another one were completely off the mark in relation to what I posted here. I tried several times to tell you, but you kept posting other things, saying things that I never said or intended and worst you said some strong things that indirectly are insults towards me. The other thing is one user, maloukees, liked the off the mark, bashing, insulting posts as if he was having some sort of pleasure and gratification. So, what do you expect? How many times should I repeat myself to make my point clear? You expect me to stay here? Maybe I should reply back using strong words and indirect insults too? Better I go away, good for everyone, and some can make a party because maybe this is what they wanted. Also, I do not see why I should be wasting my time and effort here for trying to improve the game or helping users when there are users like you 2 or 3 in this forum that seem that they cannot understand the point but they will keep replying or act in such a way to mislead users, turn them against me and piss me off. I think you and maloukees did it deliberately. You two can come and say whatever you want but anyone can see what you two been doing with your actions. The only likely genuine misunderstanding person is Posidonas.

I made two main posts here, one about being told that something big was coming on the 4th when in fact it should be something big coming next season. Some other users did understand what I meant as this can be seen in their replies, and the second post was in reply to what Dave said, that is to wait again for the next year's version when certain users showed their dissapointment and saying that they expected more, but my point in my reply was what he said was a repetitive scenario of every year here since some past years, that I myself have been told to wait for the next version many times and I seen others being told the same, and that why should affected users wait for another year again... it is like making use of them for another year to complete offers for the company to make money.

How can I be dissappointed or angry with the new youth academy system when I have not even seen it yet? I have not say anything as such. I spoke about two main things as said just above. It is your off the mark, harsh and insulting replies and maloukees likes that made me angry. Stop insinuating things. In fact, I myself told users to wait and see what this new youth academy is all about when they will see it next season, and it will probably going to take more than 1 season to make a proper review of this new feature given how it functions. This is the problem with you, you keep replying in such a way to say things that I never told or intended, and another user, maloukees just come and like the posts as if he is having some sort of pleasure or gratification. It is evident that you did not like some of the things I said in the second main post, and you thought about your own gain or loss concerning this game even if that takes other dissatisfied users and ignorant users to keep feeding the company for you and users like you instead of them taking further actions so that they get what they been asking for since long, but if any of you have some sort of personal problem and tooth against me, then you can say so openly and directly instead of beating around corners. There is also the private message option for such things.

If what I said above still will not make some of you see what is wrong, then it is lost case. I am not going to repeat myself again and again.

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Originally Posted by Tactician

The thing is two users, you and another one were completely off the mark in relation to what I posted here. I tried several times to tell you, but you kept posting other things, saying things that I never said or intended and worst you said some strong things that indirectly are insults towards me. The other thing is one user, maloukees, liked the off the mark, bashing, insulting posts as if he was having some sort of pleasure and gratification. So, what do you expect? How many times should I repeat myself to make my point clear? You expect me to stay here? Maybe I should reply back using words too? Better I go away, good for everyone, and some can make a party because maybe this is what they wanted. Also, I do not see why I should be wasting my time and effort here for trying to improve the game or helping users when there are users like you 2 or 3 in this forum that seem that they cannot understand the point but they will keep replying or act in such a way to piss me off. I think you and maloukees did it deliberately. You two can come and say whatever you want but anyone can see what you two been doing with your actions. The only likely genuine misunderstanding person is Posidonas.

I made two main posts here, one about being told that something big was coming on the 4th when in fact it should be something big coming next season. Some other users did understand what I meant as this can be seen in their reply, and the second post was in reply to what Dave said, that is to wait again for the next year's version when certain users showed their dissapointment and saying that they expected more, but my point in my reply was what he said was a repetitive scenario of every year here since some past years, that I myself have been told to wait for the next version many times and I seen others being said the same, and that why should affected users wait for another year again... it is like making use of them for another year to complete offers for the company to make money.

How can I be dissappointed or angry with the new youth academy system when I have not even seen it yet? I have not say anything as such. I spoke about two main things as said just above. It is your off the mark, harsh and insulting replies and maloukees likes that made me angry. Stop insinuating things. In fact, I myself told users to wait and see what this new youth academy is all about when they will see it next season, and it will probably going to take more than 1 season to make a proper review of this new feature given how it functions. This is the problem with you, you keep replying in such a way to say things that I never told or intended, and another user, maloukees just come and like the posts as if he is having some sort of pleasure or gratification. It is evident that you did not like some of the things I said in the second main post, but if any of you have some of personal problem and tooth against me, then they can say so openly and directly instead of beating around corners. There is also the private message option for such things.

If what I said above still will not make some of you see what is wrong, then it is lost case. I am not going to repeat myself again and again.

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1) what have you done to improve the game? Other than being negative in the forum for all to see which discourages new players from playing. Think about about the negativity looks from the outside. People who want to join the forum. It’s toxic.

2) You say I went off topic with some of my comments. Why can’t I. Did you not as well in your explanation to Dave. Can I not go off topic to explain points to you?

3) I manage my expectations by expecting the worst and hoping for the best which is how I will handle YA. Like I said rather than be so angry. Why not just manage your expectations? It’s a suggestion, nothing more.

4) You have been talking non stop from historical posts about not supporting the game. Not supporting is vague and can mean a lot of things mostly negative. Are you trying to deprive others of a good game to get what you want? Are you not trying to sabotage the game and company? Are you trying to manipulate others into thinking that is what they should do?

5) You can call what I say insinuating remarks. I say I have a right to give examples. And I will say it again, we are not forced to do anything. Quit playing victim like the company is cheating you or manipulating you.

6) So what is wrong with waiting another year? Why are you so entitled? Must everything be as you say? Who do you think you are to make such demands on a company that is not yours?

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Originally Posted by Sillybq

1) what have you done to improve the game? Other than being negative in the forum for all to see which discourages new players from playing. Think about about the negativity looks from the outside. People who want to join the forum. It’s toxic.

2) You say I went off topic with some of my comments. Why can’t I. Did you not as well in your explanation to Dave. Can I not go off topic to explain points to you?

3) I manage my expectations by expecting the worst and hoping for the best which is how I will handle YA. Like I said rather than be so angry. Why not just manage your expectations? It’s a suggestion, nothing more.

4) You have been talking non stop from historical posts about not supporting the game. Not supporting is vague and can mean a lot of things mostly negative. Are you trying to deprive others of a good game to get what you want? Are you not trying to sabotage the game and company? Are you trying to manipulate others into thinking that is what they should do?

5) You can call what I say insinuating remarks. I say I have a right to give examples. And I will say it again, we are not forced to do anything. Quit playing victim like the company is cheating you or manipulating you.

6) So what is wrong with waiting another year? Why are you so entitled? Must everything be as you say? Who do you think you are to make such demands on a company that is not yours?

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Ok. This is too much. I cannot stand the fact that someone keep coming posting to me here saying things like above despite all the effort I made to make this person understand. What is worst is that person keeps on bringing other things and making insinuations. Either he is doing it deliberately or is a special case; only himself knows.

End of conversation.

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Originally Posted by Tactician

Ok. This is too much. I cannot stand the fact that someone keep coming posting to me here saying things like above despite all the effort I made to make this person understand. What is worst is that person keeps on bringing other things and making insinuations. Either he is doing it deliberately or is a special case; only himself knows.

End of conversation.

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It was supposed to be the end yesterday. I took a step back and this is what I see after a hard days work. You singled out a person just because he liked my post? That is manipulative as well. You have to be right in every way and no ones opinion other than your matters right?

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Originally Posted by Sillybq

It was supposed to be the end yesterday. I took a step back and this is what I see after a hard days work. You singled out a person just because he liked my post? That is manipulative as well. You have to be right in every way and no ones opinion other than your matters right?

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Move on. Getting into arguments are part of being active on a forum. I have no bad feelings towards you despite all this. :)

The common thing is that we all want a better game.

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Originally Posted by Tactician

Move on. Getting into arguments are part of being active on a forum. I have no bad feelings towards you despite all this. :)

The common thing is that we all want a better game.

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Yes and I am glad we trashed it out privately and found common ground. Neither do I. Bygones :)

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Originally Posted by Tactician

That was a bad operation on their part because I suppose that this caused upsets. But, I would say wait and see what this new academy thing is all about, then talk about it because I have seen things myself that users talked about that unlikely will be the case for that academy thing. The only reliable info is what Lian told about in the opening topic of the New Academy thread (https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...tml) and the rest you can anticipate or guess how it will work till next season comes. There was a same sort of thing for other changes where certain users even spread things about 3D animations which were completely false but this gave false hope to some users who believed in them.

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The only update I like is the international sticker album thingy.
I was waiting for new country/nation jersey&logo to come in but Nodeus choose to scrap it because they are too lazy to fix it (from play once a week to only 1 day in a week etc)

https://media1.tenor.com/images/9cd5...temid=11905852

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Originally Posted by jarharnamme

The only update I like is the international sticker album thingy.
I was waiting for new country/nation jersey&logo to come in but Nodeus choose to scrap it because they are too lazy to fix it (from play once a week to only 1 day in a week etc)

https://media1.tenor.com/images/9cd5...temid=11905852

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There are quite a few jerseys that have embedded emblems and sponsors. Yet our emblem and sponsors are pasted over. I think it's really ugly with the double effect. They should fix that as well.

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Originally Posted by Sillybq

There are quite a few jerseys that have embedded emblems and sponsors. Yet our emblem and sponsors are pasted over. I think it's really ugly with the double effect. They should fix that as well.

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yup I already send a complain bout it to support/raise it here in the forum but it seems like nobody care bout logo&sponsor overlap in jersey because it's minor display bug.

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Originally Posted by jarharnamme

yup I already send a complain bout it to support/raise it here in the forum but it seems like nobody care bout logo&sponsor overlap in jersey because it's minor display bug.

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About bugs, it is evident that they are only concerned with functional bugs that affect the normal gameplay of users. You will see admins replying to such complaints quickly and they will get fixed quit quick too, but for other things, hardly even get a reply let alone a fix. It seems it is about priority and what orders the people employed received from their bosses.

Just watched the video on Facebook, this is going to be a serious resources sink. Can't be sure but it looks like at least some of the players cost tokens to bring them in to the youth academy in the first place. Then hiring coaches is going to cost tokens and greens. For a 1.2x coaching boost you have to pay 15 tokens and 25 greens for 7 days. That seems like a lot for not much return to me.

The next levels of coach (1.8x and 3.2x I think) are even more tokens and greens.
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Originally Posted by Ludo_Mansio

Just watched the video on Facebook, this is going to be a serious resources sink. Can't be sure but it looks like at least some of the players cost tokens to bring them in to the youth academy in the first place. Then hiring coaches is going to cost tokens and greens. For a 1.2x coaching boost you have to pay 15 tokens and 25 greens for 7 days. That seems like a lot for not much return to me.

The next levels of coach (1.8x and 3.2x I think) are even more tokens and greens.
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I am going to stick with the free options i get or buy 3-4* players and train them personally.
This is a no-no for me.

Imagine you can get a FT 1-2-3* that would be so cool, especially for the positions i want.
I mean if they are all FT i think NORDEUS have done a great job and made my life easier.

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Originally Posted by Ludo_Mansio

Just watched the video on Facebook, this is going to be a serious resources sink. Can't be sure but it looks like at least some of the players cost tokens to bring them in to the youth academy in the first place. Then hiring coaches is going to cost tokens and greens. For a 1.2x coaching boost you have to pay 15 tokens and 25 greens for 7 days. That seems like a lot for not much return to me.

The next levels of coach (1.8x and 3.2x I think) are even more tokens and greens.
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Idk. I kind of expected it. I am just hoping we still get the free slow trainer? And I will probably not use the YA till I save some tokens..

In a way, it kind of makes sense that low level teams cannot afford to utilise a YA. Usually only a big established club can do so in reality.

Wait mate, is that 14k tokens? It's blurry but it looks like

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Originally Posted by SuperDunk

Imagine you can get a FT 1-2-3* that would be so cool, especially for the positions i want.
I mean if they are all FT i think NORDEUS have done a great job and made my life easier.

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Even if they were definite FTs. I think I still won't use them till later levels when we save enough tokens and is harder to identify FT. Too expensive for me now. I will finally join a FA next season so I hope it helps. Still very tight on tokens atm

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Originally Posted by Sillybq

Idk. I kind of expected it. I am just hoping we still get the free slow trainer? And I will probably not use the YA till I save some tokens..

In a way, it kind of makes sense that low level teams cannot afford to utilise a YA. Usually only a big established club can do so in reality.

Wait mate, is that 14k tokens? It's blurry but it looks like

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The big established club is just a BS excuse imo.
Viitorul Constanta, a team that was founded 10 years ago won a title in Romania 2-3 years ago and is competing for the title ever since.
And they have one of the best academies in eastern europe.
So, yeah...

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Originally Posted by Sillybq

Even if they were definite FTs. I think I still won't use them till later levels when we save enough tokens and is harder to identify FT. Too expensive for me now. I will finally join a FA next season so I hope it helps. Still very tight on tokens atm

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I mean the lower ones 1-2-3* should be free, so you dont pay anything for them, or it s just a small sum 5T.
And i said if they are all FT it would be very cool.

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Originally Posted by SuperDunk

The big established club is just a BS excuse imo.
Viitorul Constanta, a team that was founded 10 years ago won a title in Romania 2-3 years ago and is competing for the title ever since.
And they have one of the best academies in eastern europe.
So, yeah...

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Can't argue with that but reality for me is it is expensive and I ain't a token buyer so ...... Will give it a miss

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I mean the lower ones 1-2-3* should be free, so you dont pay anything for them, or it s just a small sum 5T.
And i said if they are all FT it would be very cool.

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Yeah yeah if it's 5 tokens. Sure. Of course. Haha can finally try making a mutant. I won't train them in YA if so

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Originally Posted by SuperDunk

I am going to stick with the free options i get or buy 3-4* players and train them personally.
This is a no-no for me.

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Yes the price isn’t too bad but I will stick to this method too, I am short on tokens and I cannot afford to waste my small amount tokens


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Even if you were not short on token you wouldn't waste them for something that is not worth it. This looks like not worth it, I mean paying the coaches. Looks like you pay a small amount to get the youth player from the pool into your youth squad and from then they will join your first team for free the season after.
Also will be interesting if they count for top 14 players quality then.

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Even if you were not short on token you wouldn't waste them for something that is not worth it. This looks like not worth it, I mean paying the coaches. Looks like you pay a small amount to get the youth player from the pool into your youth squad and from then they will join your first team for free the season after.
Also will be interesting if they count for top 14 players quality then.

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They shouldn t count imo and i believe they won t.

Also it could be, and I hope so to be honest, that maybe the fast trainer is more expensive to sign into your youth squad in the first place. Because in the other screen you could see a 4 star player being free to sign and a 3 star player for 4 or 5 T I believe. This makes no sense, if the 3 star player isn't a FT or maybe has the higher ceiling.

I am sure that not all of them will be FT,maybe none of them cause this could be a massive hit for auctions.

So, guys, I'm not sure if the new Youth Academy is a nice feature or another scam Nordeus trying to give us.

I just wanna know if it's worth the incentive to invest Tokens PLUS greens for 5* academy player like this...

I hope that, trained properly, the new Youth Academy graduates will be of similar calibre to the 12T/14T players that the current Academy churns out, in that, suitably adorned with SA and boosted to the appropriate Quality, they perform and progress well.

I would also hope that we can do the SA addition and Quality boost while they are still at the Academy, so they appear in the squad ready and fit for use with no additional tinkering...

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Originally Posted by Sillybq

Idk. I kind of expected it. I am just hoping we still get the free slow trainer? And I will probably not use the YA till I save some tokens..

In a way, it kind of makes sense that low level teams cannot afford to utilise a YA. Usually only a big established club can do so in reality.

Wait mate, is that 14k tokens? It's blurry but it looks like

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On the contrary, the YA is more useful at lower levels as the players that graduate would be more suitable to a team with lower overall Quality and they can slot straight into the playing squad, replacing older, lower Quality players.

The higher up you go, the more likely that you are operating a 5*-6* team and the Youth players are next-to-useless, unless you invest a lot of greens in giving them SA and boosting their Quality to the level that the playing squad is at. The 2* one is only useful for signing and selling off to bring in cash to invest in other purchases.

At high levels, the Youth graduates are not worth bothering with - the T one is not of any use unless they cost 12/14T and train well; the lower Quality one just gets dismissed, unless you are really desperate for training fodder...

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Originally Posted by talisman

On the contrary, the YA is more useful at lower levels as the players that graduate would be more suitable to a team with lower overall Quality and they can slot straight into the playing squad, replacing older, lower Quality players.

The higher up you go, the more likely that you are operating a 5*-6* team and the Youth players are next-to-useless, unless you invest a lot of greens in giving them SA and boosting their Quality to the level that the playing squad is at. The 2* one is only useful for signing and selling off to bring in cash to invest in other purchases.

At high levels, the Youth graduates are not worth bothering with - the T one is not of any use unless they cost 12/14T and train well; the lower Quality one just gets dismissed, unless you are really desperate for training fodder...

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I did buy the 12 token youth at level 2 but this season I got an 8 token which I rejected. But with the new YA, it isn't about whether it is useful. It is affordability. Most fast trainers with low quality are available at 1 to max 3 tokens so it does not seem worthwhile. And my team is almost 110 quality so it is like you mentioned "next to useless".

I only bought the 12 token youth initially because I was very tight on cash. But I don't think I will need to anymore. But thanks for the advice. Its hard to win with a four star team at low levels tbh. And normal training would easily hit 5 stars even at our level without world class training regimes.

the cups music is the exact same as last year

I never use the backgroud music allways have it switch off... So i don't care so much for that music, if you hear that all the time when you play.. Maybe I get stressed out or something.. LOL

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the cups music is the exact same as last year

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I am glad about that, I liked the cup music, I hate the league music, is the Champions League music the same?


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Oooh this is new...

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EDIT: Just noticed - the no.7, who supplied the through ball for the no.11 to run onto and score, has his Playmaker SA lit up, but is not credited with an assist - again!!!!! :mad:

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Oooh this is new...

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and ?
Did you check ?